And I asked, contributed how?

and you said for me to ask them?

I didnt make the claim, you did.. so how are they contributing?

i dont know them, how can I speak for them. I do know others who dont pay taxes but still 'work'. That is their contribution. I know still others who dont work (older) and dont pay taxes because of slight income, but Volunteer... thats also a contribution. They also buy merchandise and necessities, which contribute to the ECONOMY so that the people who sell the merchandise and necessities have EARNINGS that maybe they pay taxes on.

I know others who dont have a job (stay at home moms) but they are RAISING their own kids to turn into people who will be productive and lawabiding citizens, possibly innnovators and inventors ... That is also a contribution.

there are more forms of contribution than those that come with a paycheck. Its all connected in a circle.

I was 20 years old at the time this person told me this. He was a coworker working double shifts. I don't know why he chose to tell me. I think his childhood haunted him. I think he felt like he missed his childhood. He said he wasn't allowed to play sports. Like I said, his mother cared about men and getting a check. He said they had nothing.

One day he asked me how many sibling I have. I told him 2 bro and a sis. I asked him how many he had. He said 9 and 11. Mom 9 dad 11. Lol later he found out dad wasn't his dad. Lol. Sad. His parents reproduced like stray dogs.

yes, that's very sad for him. The average number of children per family, even in poor families, is something like 2.5. that was certainly not the average experience.

you said earlier in a other thread or maybe this thread that the cycle of poverty continues because of systematic racism, its hard for them who have oppressed to get ahead and now you're telling us that stay at home moms with kids (Im assuming you're taking about those in section 8 housing) are going to be raising law abiding citizens, possibly innovators and inventors

Meanwhile inner city schools are a mess, most are not learning and if they graduate they are dumber than the previous generation, mind you most government schools are like that

Good lord.

He got mad at me the day I paid off my house. I told him I didn't understand why he was mad. He said it didn't make sense. We were both working ot but I was taught finances. I made something out of my money. He grew up in the projects and hadn't been taught anything. These cycles are continuing.

I said people very rarely get out of the socioeconomic class they were born into, not that they NEVER do, but they NEVER do if they are NEVER born to do so ...

yeah. It would be nice if those privileged with that knowledge could go into the areas that are underserved and start some programs to share it with them. The school and the system teach people to be worker bees and merely 'work' for their money, it does nothing, especially in underserved communities to explain how money can 'work for you'.

This is where the kneelers should step in and get a Dave Ramsey to teach people in their communities. Most people won't be in the Nfl, a rapper, or win the lottery. They need to be taught how to get ahead with a regular job. Budgeting is very important. The more money you put toward a mortgage in the beginning is the better off you will be. Everything is simple, just most people don't have the discipline to do it. The sad reality is most people in the USA spend more than they make.

there are many ways for people to 'step in' and they do. Kneelers also step in. I dont think the issue of authorities taking black lives has much to do with their understanding of money so they get involved in ways to help these kids stay alive, also something an understanding of money is not gonna do much for.

Budgeting is simple, some dont have the discipline, and many have no one around them with the knowledge or experience to TEACH them or pass it on to them.

Black males make up 35.4 percent of the jail and prison population — even though they make up less than 10 percent of the overall U.S population.

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so much for the inventors and innovators.. heh

what has one to do with the other?

Better finances could help a lot. For instance. I worked very hard so my kids could be raised in a home that had a yard surrounded by good neighbors. Kids need to be kept busy instead of running the streets. At 15 until graduation a job will keep kids out of trouble. Kids in bad areas learn from what they see. That's usually selling drugs, robbing, killing.

plenty of people work hard and still dont have the finances they need, the key is working 'smart', but most impoverished have had no training or exposure to that because the system tries its hardese to just develop workhorses that will be more and more productive for less and less financial return under the guise of how much 'self respect' they will be having for themselves.

I know you are talking to the poster Eastwest, but I have to chime in and tell you this.

one of the issues of why black folks and minorities dont have a job is because there are limited amount of jobs for them , the reason why is because of minimum wage laws.

Here me out first, the idea behind minimum wage was to guarantee a certain income ,but in reality it was to insure white workers be paid more than black workers because black workers in the south moving north was more than willing to work for less just to have a job.

That is why unions back then pushed for minimum wages.

Minimum wage is too high today, many ma and pa business cannot hire a lot of people based on 15 dollars an hour, it makes no sense to hire someone at 15 dollars and hour to flip burgers and fries, someone has to bear the costs.

If there was no minimum wage, businesses can hire a lot of people, and the purpose of your first job is to see what skills one needs to get a higher paying job or develop an entrepreneur skill set.

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak created the apple computer because they saw flaws in the IBM computer,one of Steve Jobs first job was a summer job working for Bill Hewitt of Hewitt-Packard fame.

Without that first job, Steve wouldn't have been able to figure out what skills he needed or been bitten by the entrepreneur bug.

Minorities needs to experience their first job to figure things out, and you cant do that if the minimum wage is too high, and because of welfare rules some of those folks find it easier not to work vs actually working and learning new skills and why many of them turn to crime.


that is reality.

cannot argue when 'some' is the qualifier


but volunteer work is there for people just wanting to 'experience' work
those NEEDING an income work for financial compensation they feel matches their time and efforts and needs, among other things

Im not sure what portion of impoverished people have not yet had their 'first' job.

and minimum wage is not close to 15$ an hour

when production has been increasing but wages have not,, theres an issue.

Yes for those wanting to work.



we all need an income, so Im not sure what your point is.




and there are many reasons why people are impoverished, having/not having a job is one of the reasons.



1) In Seattle as of Jan 2018 it is.

2) the district of Columbia has the highest Minimum rate of $12.00 an hour, yet it has one of the nation highest unemployment too.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200017/state-unemployment-rate-in-the-us/




except that the rise in workers compensation doesn't reflect in wages but benefits like health benefits, you didn't consider that .

my point was, on the issue of poverty, whether someone experienced a 'first' job seems an irrelevant tangent that assumes the impoverished have NEVER held jobs ...


also, a 'first' job that one gets JUST for experience, is called a volunteer position, and also not really something that will improve poverty.


not having a job is not the same as not EVER having had a job yet (that 'first' job)

since health benefits are TAKEN OUT OF pay, it doesnt minimalize the effect of a stagnant RATE of pay,

everyone that is impoverished is different, but those that claim they cant get ahead because they cant find a job particularly those with low to no skills is because they've never had a job to learn the skills.


no, that isnt what Im saying, getting a job for most people is about self worth, through self worth you acquire skills and experience and figure out one's next move in life.




Huh?



ah yes it does, why do you think health benefits from emplyers exists in the first place?

in case you dont know it stems from FDR meddling during the 1930's when he put a price freeze on wages, you do know what a price freeze is right?

And employers like everyone else figured out ways of circumventing the legislation and they added health insurance for their employees.

and how does more benefits equal LESS growth in pay rate?