Do the guys who don't believe in paying for dates also let the woman change the tire when you have a flat?

Nah, I call AAA and have them change the flat.

Anyway, who said anything about guys not believing in paying for dates?

Is the tide turning again?
Decades of complaining for equality now they want to go back or just cherry pick the good bits

Hmmm... I'd have to know just how good your bits are before answering that

Not on a PG site.

The bits you don't want to pay for

I meant those bits... the goods he was talking about

Sorry David... been cooped up at work too long

Don't include me in on this ... I don't mind up with gifts in hand. And I don't mind not getting gifts either... it's the way you treat each other that matters most to me.

Right answer,
I'm just going to the bathroom,
Get the bill, I'll meet you at the car

Yes Dear!

I just saw an AAA commerical. What happened to people changing their own tires. I've noticed a lot of men call someone to do "mans" work for them. They have their grass cut, cars washed, homes painted etc. It never occurred to me to hire someone to do those things and I'm a woman. Why have a man if he isn't good for anything? Would you want a woman who doesn't cook, clean, buy griceries, do laundry?

I must have a strong female side then, I don't mind doing household chores and I love cooking

you are stretching it ETW, who said anything about not paying for dates?
the question or what the OP is saying is she believes that a man's affection for the woman is based on what he spends on her , things he buys her or expensive places he takes her.

why you would equate changing a flat for a woman to dating?

I for one dont believe in overspending on a date when Im getting to know someone, that doesnt mean Im cheap , because my last girlfriend we went away on weekends a lot, Ive taken her to Martha's vineyard for the weekend to Vegas, to Canada ( Niagara Falls, Toronto , Ottawa and Montreal) to vacations places like Bora Bora, jamaica just to name a few.

Im not going to take a date to those places as I dont know if the dates will turn into a relationship, but once Im in the relationship that is a different story I will spoil her because well she would be worth it.

I know what you're saying about the tyre changing. For a few years here I'd see the breakdown services changing a tyre, company cars and vehicles or leased /rentals.
but it turns out that if there is a problem, accident, wheel falls off or you get hurt. then someone is in trouble!

Why have a dog and bark yourself.

Some people are too tired after working long hours to do these things themselves, so they pay someone to do them.

I don't think she said it equals affection. She said that's what she wants. A lot of women my age are sick of sitting home and cooking for a man. We feel like it's time to enjoy life. We've done without so our family could have things and we feel it's our turn to get some of the things we want.

We want a man who still wants to go out and have fun. We don't want a couch potato that a lot of men our age are turning into. We don't want a man who has financial problems where everything is still unaffordable.

A guy I went to school with wanted to date me a few weeks back. He has 4 underage kids. He was one of those who wants the stay at home dates. I just don't want to be strapped to that.

If that is what she is trying to say then I agree with her , but Im stuck at the bitter part , if she is bitter with men how is she going to find a man who will lavish her with the things and lifestyle she desires.

As a guy who likes to travel and do things,I dont want to meet a couch potato either or has financial issues but these things can and will affect a relationship.

Maybe by bitter, she mean the woman fell for one of the sit at home guys who "loved" her and he turned out to be a cheater. With online dating women get a lot of offers for different things. I think women should only go for guys who are looking to date. Don't bother with the come over type guys. Guys who aren't rich should still be able to find free or cheap things to do. Some guys need to cut back on themselves to afford a date. I think guys troll online for any woman who will cook and have sex with them.

You think guys troll online looking for women for sex and cooking? I hate to break this to you the average self proclaimed nice guy has been doing that since the days of Davy Crockett and the Alamo

I heard something a while back that stuck with me, smart confident people use discernment when looking for a relationship.

Losers are easy to pick out, one has to keep their eyes open and not overlook things.

I think it's sad that women are shamed for searching for what she wants. Especially by other women.