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| Topic: This is cool ... criminal brain scans | |
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This has been out for yrs ... never saw it before ...
Criminal Minds Are Different From Yours, Brain Scans Reveal https://www.livescience.com/13083-criminals-brain-neuroscience-ethics.html and don't even think about painting over blood ... doesn't work... they still have ways of seeing it ... and finger prints... new ways to ck that to ... This was very ... impressing ... how much they can do now a days ... very glad they are now opening cold cases of rapes ... from their victims kit that stay on shelves for yrs ... |
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Reminds me to avoid a few neighbors.
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Is this before or after conviction?
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Watch the movie "Minority Report"...with Tom Cruise.
It's about this very subject. |
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Is this before or after conviction? If I can remember ...it was used in a cold case... and it might be used for the mentally ill ... or maybe like the lie detector one has to agree... used mainly as a profile ... |
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Watch the movie "Minority Report"...with Tom Cruise. It's about this very subject. I will have to refresh my memory ... but I watched the movie ... |
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and does the behavior manipulate the brain or is the brain manipulating the behavior?
these studies are interesting but potentially dangerous if correlation and causation are not fully understood,,,, |
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Considering that all behavior requires action the brain manipulates behavior. No behavior exists unless the brain initializes the action.
Brain scans showing regions of the brain that 'light up' during criminal actions and the chemicals that are produced is only an active resource. Studies have been done to try to find the "Evil Gene". http://rinr.fsu.edu/spring96/features/evil.html In the 1960s, geneticists thought they may have found proof. Discovery of a rare condition--an extra Y chromosome--in some unusually violent offenders prompted much attention. Since then, studies have shown that while men with the condition tend to have a greater propensity for (non-violent) crime, they also tend to have low I.Q.s as well. The rarity of the condition, which isn't hereditary, also calls into question the likelihood of its serious involvement in the parade of violence witnessed today.
Raine says that in all likelihood, such a condition is the result of multiple genes acting in concert to control the development of proteins and enzymes that drive a variety of "physiological processes," which in turn set the stage for criminal behavior in some people.
BRNRS; MAO-A
Summary This gene is one of two neighboring gene family members that encode mitochondrial enzymes which catalyze the oxidative deamination of amines, such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. Mutation of this gene results in Brunner syndrome. This gene has also been associated with a variety of other psychiatric disorders, including antisocial behavior. Alternatively spliced transcript variants encoding multiple isoforms have been observed. Currently, no propensity for a specific Evil Gene has been identified. This means that nobody is born evil. Nobody is born a criminal. Being born with a criminal gene would require that the person is criminal from conception to death. Criminal behavior is learned. It can be a conditioning or a decisive act but it is not inherent. Any teaching or conditioning can be undone so even with brain scan technology criminal behavior can be reversed. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 07/21/17 09:17 AM
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Considering that all behavior requires action the brain manipulates behavior. No behavior exists unless the brain initializes the action.
not necessarily,- behavior is not manipulated in a vaccuum by the BRAIN alone, because the brain itself is affected by experiences and stimuli from external sources meaning that experiences can manipulate the brain before it manipulates behavior,,, |
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I see your point msharmony.
Consider that the brain is needed in order for it to gain experience and receive stimuli. Without the brain first, no stimuli can be assessed to form an experience to register or act upon. Your original query was and does the behavior manipulate the brain or is the brain manipulating the behavior?
Consider this... If someone that is very active and outspoken has a stroke that shuts down the brain's abilities their behavior changes no matter how ingrained it used to be. A person that is in a brain dead coma has no behavior except to just lie there. Amnesia victims have completely different behaviors while suffering memory loss. Personally, I have behaved against my environment and conditioning as a willful choice. I see other people do it as well. Think of the brain as a kind of computer in the sense that it has sensors and actuators. It pulls in sensory data, processes it and sends out commands to the actuators. The sensory data may be the same for all the computers(brains) in the area but the processing that initiates the commands to the actuators has differences. That is why one person may react differently to a similar environment or stimuli. We are learning creatures. This means that we associate similar stimuli with previous actions. Experience is nothing more than memory. Behavior is the repetition of actions from memory based on reoccurring stimuli. If new stimuli is sensed in a new environment the brain substitutes similar actions based on previous memory. If it works, the brain catalogs the stimuli/action protocol for future reference but if it doesn't work, the brain initiates new behavior attempting a desired outcome. Even reflex is merely the sensor sending a signal to the brain and the body reacting to that stimuli. If you touch a hot pan, you react by pulling your hand away. If your hand is numb and the nerves are unresponsive you will not pull your hand away until you sense the situation with another receptor. Which then, tells your brain to move your hand away. |
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Considering that all behavior requires action the brain manipulates behavior. No behavior exists unless the brain initializes the action. Brain scans showing regions of the brain that 'light up' during criminal actions and the chemicals that are produced is only an active resource. Studies have been done to try to find the "Evil Gene". http://rinr.fsu.edu/spring96/features/evil.html In the 1960s, geneticists thought they may have found proof. Discovery of a rare condition--an extra Y chromosome--in some unusually violent offenders prompted much attention. Since then, studies have shown that while men with the condition tend to have a greater propensity for (non-violent) crime, they also tend to have low I.Q.s as well. The rarity of the condition, which isn't hereditary, also calls into question the likelihood of its serious involvement in the parade of violence witnessed today.
Raine says that in all likelihood, such a condition is the result of multiple genes acting in concert to control the development of proteins and enzymes that drive a variety of "physiological processes," which in turn set the stage for criminal behavior in some people.
BRNRS; MAO-A
Summary This gene is one of two neighboring gene family members that encode mitochondrial enzymes which catalyze the oxidative deamination of amines, such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. Mutation of this gene results in Brunner syndrome. This gene has also been associated with a variety of other psychiatric disorders, including antisocial behavior. Alternatively spliced transcript variants encoding multiple isoforms have been observed. Currently, no propensity for a specific Evil Gene has been identified. This means that nobody is born evil. Nobody is born a criminal. Being born with a criminal gene would require that the person is criminal from conception to death. Criminal behavior is learned. It can be a conditioning or a decisive act but it is not inherent. Any teaching or conditioning can be undone so even with brain scan technology criminal behavior can be reversed. Thanx I was wondering myself if you watch a lot horror flixs ... and you are innocent becouse something may flash yes as horror pictures they show you ... can be very similar to the act an the reason you are taking the test to begin with ... just becouse its in your mind already ... |
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Thanx I was wondering myself if you watch a lot horror flixs ...
??? I have but its not my favorite genre. Most horror movies suck. |
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Edmund Kemper
that dude was born evil his mother thought so even attempted to kill him as an infant he eventually ended his mother's life won't mention all the details but he decapitated her and used the head as a dartboard serial killers are usually highly intelligent then u have cases such as Ed Gein everyone whether they believe so or not is capable of horrific acts the human brain...ain't it something?! |
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For the most part brains come pre wired, however events like concussions, drug use, PTS, and other events can screw up the wiring.IQ's can be changed a little by the surroundings, but for the most part are predetermined by which part of the brain is prominent, artistic people are more likely to suffer addiction due to the part of the brain they use most, out going people were born that way, risk takers are born that way, and yes serial killers are born with more activity in a certain part of their brains, and less activity in others. Does this mean we should brain scan babies and give them lobotomies? A portion of the brain can be removed and other areas will take over for the lost area, this has been happening more and more in children with brain cancer and other things and they tend to recover pretty well alot of the time because their body's are still developing, but at what point are we interfering with nature too much? Part of the reason OJ killed probably has to do with his concussions and steroid use. The reason why Chester, and Chris Cornell and other rock stars have taken their lives has to do with the wiring of their brains that also contributed to their artistic abilities and drug abuse, its all linked. To some extent our brain wiring is inherited, some of it is learned, and some of it is changed by outside events. In other words there is no easy answer, somethings we can control, and other things we can't.
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For the most part brains come pre wired, however events like concussions, drug use, PTS, and other events can screw up the wiring.IQ's can be changed a little by the surroundings, but for the most part are predetermined by which part of the brain is prominent, artistic people are more likely to suffer addiction due to the part of the brain they use most, out going people were born that way, risk takers are born that way, and yes serial killers are born with more activity in a certain part of their brains, and less activity in others. Does this mean we should brain scan babies and give them lobotomies? A portion of the brain can be removed and other areas will take over for the lost area, this has been happening more and more in children with brain cancer and other things and they tend to recover pretty well alot of the time because their body's are still developing, but at what point are we interfering with nature too much? Part of the reason OJ killed probably has to do with his concussions and steroid use. The reason why Chester, and Chris Cornell and other rock stars have taken their lives has to do with the wiring of their brains that also contributed to their artistic abilities and drug abuse, its all linked. To some extent our brain wiring is inherited, some of it is learned, and some of it is changed by outside events. In other words there is no easy answer, somethings we can control, and other things we can't. very good assessment  ...
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some interesting info on brain 'hard wiring' at birth:
the human brain has in place only a relatively small proportion of the trillions of synapses it will eventually have; it gains about two-thirds of its adult size after birth classical artists working in marble created a sculpture by chiseling away unnecessary bits of stone until they achieved their final form. Animal studies suggest that the “pruning” that occurs during synapse overproduction and loss is similar to this act of carving a sculpture. The nervous system sets up a large number of connections; experience then plays on this network, selecting the appropriate connections and removing the inappropriate ones from https://www.nap.edu/read/9853/chapter/8#119 |
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Interesting
I once read that the dreams we have is the brain defragmenting. Our memories are being isolated, cataloged and put away but its more than that. Our brains register memories of the memories. This firing synaptic pathway goes here and results in this. This chemical causes this axon to block, this one allows this dendrite to charge, a very complicated and complex set of instructions. When a child is developed its brain fires off many different unrelated synaptic pathways. The chemicals released trigger specific enzymes that create a tendency for repetition. The artist is an artist because his brain is chemically conditioned to fire those specific pathways. Changing the chemical signature of a fetus developing could change the tendency for certain chemicals to be released and might change the artist to something else. We don't have that technology yet. We are just now learning how to read the map. We still don't know all the side roads and some roads are not marked at all. We have a long way to go to actually doing anything about it on a preemptive scale. Psychotic drugs work because the change the release pattern of chemicals and that changes the saturation of those chemicals in the brain. Inhibitors and activators they don't change the make up, just the saturation. An effective 'cure' would have to change the actual chemical make up. A DNA change would be needed to do it. That is why there is a search for the Gene that controls evil behavior. The main problem is that Evil is subjective. |
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Split for size...
Evil is subjective to society morals. A person born with the tendency to kill is not evil. A person born with a tendency not to kill is not good. It is called predatory instinct. We are animals before we are people. "People" is a product of society. Animal is a form of organism. Humans are omnivore, we both eat meat and plants. The predator genes make us all killers. Some have less predator genes activated than others. As a society, people have mutated to turn off those predatory genes. Some are born with them still active. If left to their own devices they will be predatory. Parenting determines how those predators interact as people in society. They learn not to be predators. It is only effective in those that >are willing to work against their predatory instincts >who have a lower concentration of the predatory genes enabled >who have their synaptic pathways changed (physically or medicinally) >who have been conditioned If nothing is done, they become predators. Each to a unique degree based on their own makeup and conditioning. The problem, if we could do it, turning off the predator genes would affect all predatory/aggressive traits. A completely passive society might just lie down and die. A concept explored in the Science Fiction Film: Serenity. Suffice it to say, I think behavior control can only be achieved by determining all the genes that control predation and selectively enabling/disabling only certain ones. A precision we do not have yet. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 07/22/17 12:19 PM
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Behaviors are our choice. I do not believe our choice has been hardwired from birth in ANYTHING or else it is not actually a choice.
I believe much more can be determined through examining common life experiences and environments than looking at genes or dna. |
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Behaviors are our choice. I do not believe our choice has been hardwired from birth in ANYTHING or else it is not actually a choice.
There is a difference between behavoir and traits You don't choose to be left or right handed. You can train yourself to be either or both but the trait is established by your dna coding. Traits establish our choice preferences (some of them). They create what is called tendancy. Tendancies are reinforced by reward. The brain releases chemicals that lights up the pleasure centers. We get really good at firing off those patterns. To the point it becomes a reflex not a choice. Sometimes we must make a choice to go against our programming in order to participate within a society. We train ourselves to ignore our traits. The criminal that can't help but be a criminal does not train himself against his traits. As parents we teach our children the difference between right and wrong. To "Fit In" with society. Don't bite me when you are hungry. Stop beating up on your brother. Treat others with respect. We mold their traits so they have a tendancy for a certain behavior that goes against their natural state. If your son is never taught not to bite people, he will bite people because it gives him pleasure. You didn't teach him to bite anyone - he bites on his own. |
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