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Personal attacks on me will do you no good as has already been seen. I am standing strong in my conviction of the racist propaganda on this post. So if you must attack at the personal level so be it. I will not stop calling it racist propaganda designed to fearmonger and hatemonger the masses into a frenzy to believe there should be Nazi action in this country.

Well Dragoness I will never agree with your Nazi comparison but hey grownups can agree to disagree.have a great night.

I'll play devil's advocate here:
If you deport every illegal immigrant will American work force fill the void that the deport illegal immigrant fills currently?

Would Americans take the same low pay as illegals get now?

Would Americans demand more pay for low end, low skill jobs and wouldn't that in turn drive production costs for EVERY industry that illegals have jobs in currently?

Could those production costs raise inflation and then in turn cause a recession?

I know it's a lot of ifs, woulds and coulds but it is obvious that deporting illegals will have a domino effect. But what effect will it cause? Where will the domino pieces fall and in what order?

In other words it more complex that crime rates alone you have to take into account ecomomy of that illegal fill. Illegal immigrants are not all violent criminals most are trying to survive in their present state of affairs. And by working, however illegally, they fill a much needed, yet lowly avoid.

thanks cute, you too. I wanted to say earlier and I forgot to post it, the INS is not even called the INS any more if that tells you the falseness of the report originally posted. It is called the USCIS now.

I still agree with you on this Dragoness. It is a human issue for me. Give the illegals a reasonable fix, then it will work itself out.
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You must have lived in a pretty affluent area, never traveled much, or had a good set of blinders on.

Just looking across the Rio Grande in West Texas, I could see that living conditions were particularly poor, despite the border towns being the home of many assembly plants, factories and such.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if people are coming from all over Mexico to secure one of these "Well paying" jobs, and willing to live in a makeshift shelter, with no running water, sewage system, or electricity, in a heavily populated shanty town... that the places they come from are probably worse.


Even in resorts like Cancun, many of the tourism workers are paid 4 dollars a day for 12 hour days, 6 days a week. They spend 80 dollars a month to rent a hut amongst many huts made of pallets, cardboard and tin, complete with a community toilet that just runs into a ditch and corrupts the ground water.

Tijuana, just 12 miles from downtown San Diego has a heavy population living in some of the worst urban living conditions in the world. All very visible from the border crossing and open air market. You just need to look up and west.

My Grandmother was married to a Mexico Ambassador in the 80's.. They lived in one of the upper floors of the high rises of Mexico City, within walking distance of the U.S embassy. You'd have to be blind to not see the overcrowding and substandard living areas...Just outside the suburbs, from any angle of their 360 degree view.
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It will do you no good. I have posted this same thing a little differently. I also have been to many of those places. The living conditions are deplorable. The tourist spots are flowing and glowing while on the outside lives the poor families trying to make a living. Cardboard houses with anything they can find to make a roof and walls. I have seen these very same what do you call it? Villages of shame. The poorest of the poor.

I also have lived amongst the Hispanics here. I do not know if they were illegal, but, I am assuming that many are. No violence here. Very quiet and well behaved. Some of the best neighbors I have had. Seriously.
My mom and I talk all the time of how we appreciate that our neighbors are so good. Many have moved on now.
I do not know where in the news it has mentioned such a large number of Hispanics doing such horrible things to women and children. It is rarely heard of here. Although, rape and child molestation is apparent in all nationalities.

As for the welfare of these unfortunate many----it is not given out that easily to people here. However there are so many that are on it.
The emergency rooms are being used by all types of people that have no insurance, and no money to pay for a private Dr.
I have been known to do it as well. Hospitals do not turn you away if you have no money, most. But private Dr's. do. Will. And have.

I believe we will see something happen in our working community due to the loss of all the workers that have left. I do not believe it will be all that good as some think.

There are jobs that were being filled by (I am sure), by illegals (with papers?) that most do not want nor will do.

Tender goodness and mercies...............

Kat

Wow, you nailed it, Fitnessfanatic.

American's want cheap labor, and
will get it no matter what, even
if it's illegal.

So, that's the other side of the
illegality, or equation, if you
will.

I'm not sure when the floodgates
were opened, but this administration
has supported this type of work ethic
wholeheartedly.

So if you voted for this President,
you voted for illegal immigration,
cheap labor and lost jobs for
Americans.

Maybe we should take all 12 (or so)
million illegals and put them in
internment camps.

Oh, wait, that's right, we don't
know where they are and who's
illegal and who's not!

You want to put 12 million people into internment camps?

... and you dont want to be called Nazis?

OMFG!!!

Why not just shoot them in the street, and be done with it.

After all, they are not American, so they are sub-human.

You really need to spend some time with a shrink.

Belushi... Something tells me he (mnhiker) was being facetious.

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As far as fanta's CIA statistics go... Statistics can be spun to make them look like they back any point.

He kinda did a bit of spinning himself, by leaving out a piece of pertinent information on the unemployment rate in Mexico. Granted.. their unemployment rate is substantially lower then ours...but according to this set of statistics, 25% of that nation is under-employed. The unemployment rate for the U.S. makes no mention of an under-employment percentage, even though I am sure that there is a notable percentage. So.. it would seem that there is a possibility that the CIA's statisticians might be doing some spinning themselves.

Fanta also left out many other pieces of pertinent information...such as the GDP statistics and other points. Just the economic summary alone (Which helps define what all the information really means) speaks of the challenges that Mexico is facing now.

I'm no expert in the subject of economy, however, my humble opinion is: Comparing the two economies is much like comparing apples to oranges.

The structures are entirely different - Ours is market driven, as is theirs, but they have no governing influence on minimum pay or standards... Ours, of course, does.

The bottom line is vastly different too. Their GDP is a little over 1 trillion dollars. Ours is 13 trillion.
We are second only to the European Union. They fall right behind Canada (ranking at 15)...which is actually quite impressive. If only the distribution of money was closer to that of Canada's..

Belushi, I was the one who interpreted the racist propaganda as wanting to do Nazi style roundups, so mn was not the suggestor of that. He was just reiterating on my post. But for them to portray the illegals as these terrible animals hawking our streets for Americans to brutalize is an inaccurate picture of these people and for them to take the blame off of the Americans who imported the slave labor here and employed them for the benfit of cheap labor seems to not be a subject of responsibility they are willing to aknowledge. We the American people did not enforce our laws, we the American people have enjoyed the lower price of goods thanks to the employment of these people, etc....... This is a human issue requiring diplomacy and consideration it is not a hunt for brutal animals as portrayed by the original post, of which has been removed from many websites now that it has come to the attention of monitors, I am sure, due to the inaccuracy of the information. MN, Belushi, scttrbrn, jist, I am glad that there are those out there who are open minded enough to see the humanity of the issue and support the fight to make sure the issue is dealt with diplomatically and fairly. I would be the first to start a law suit against the government here if they acted as the originator of the information on the post wishes for them to act. It is completely inhumane and ridiculous.

I forgot to include fitness as one who is fairly assessing the issue.

so what was point of this thread?
to prove illegals can be as criminals as US citizens can be.
this is just a damned hatred and biased view.
you (the poster, my good friend) are just trying to justify urself.
It's like saying that gas emisions from cars are destroying the environment, so we are not going to use gas anymore. But you don't want to see that the big destroyers of the environment are the nuclear plants.
US citizens can be as criminals are illegal immigrants.

QUE VIVA LA RAZA!!!!!!

Thanxs God i don't have internet in my house, I don't have to be readin all the crap that can be posted.

who in there right small mind conduns illegal immigrant criminals. I am not stupid i know we have us citizens that are crimminals but illegal immigrants are filling our jails at a faster rate and its very expensive

Here we go with the hatemongering again... ..I thought maybe someone would set it down for once and get over it. Guess not. They are not filling the jails, there are criminals in all backgrounds and illegals are one background. FBI reports and links to them was put on here to show who is getting arrested. Please get the correct info as this post was a lie and incorrect in origin and information. This post was racist propaganda desiring a mass of Americans to buy into it for their racist agenda.

Thank you, Fishin

How in Hell is this topic racist?????????

No one's talking about an ENTIRE race of people.

Hell, no one's talking about any PARTICULAR race to begin with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not a race issue. Anyone who thinks it is, simply isn't thinking.

What it IS is a LEGAL/ILLEGAL issue.

Race has NOTHING to do with it.

Anyone who says that it does is simply playing a non-existent "Race Card" to cover up the inexcapible fact that they've hopelessly lost this discussion, and don't have enough common sense to simply walk away.

Once again, Fishin ,thank you. And, you said it, you are NOT stupid. I've read some of your posts. You are a VERY intellegent lady.

Oh, and Dragon:

YOU"RE WRONG YET AGAIN( no suprise there,BTW).

You said "Illegals are one background" in your latest post.

Congrats, Dragon. You've just made the most racist statement in 24 pages of this topic

On top of that, your statement is just plain wrong factually.

Nobody called her stupid, I said hatemongering and that is what making a false allegation of the jails being full of illegals is, it is hateful misinformation that is not true. You can skate off the racial issue if you want but it is the new lynching american style. Racists/Prejudice people same synonym are prejudice against a type of people because of an issue they have with them being inferior and unacceptable. That is what this post is. It is untrue racial/prejudice information for the purpose of rising the masses based on untrue information. Propaganda that is racial/prejudice in nature. Is that better to make them prejudice/racial, same boat, different name, same meaning.

The illegals she is complaining about are mexican, are they not????????? This post was referring to mexican illegals was it not?????????

I never said you called anyone stupid. Dragon, she brought it up. Look, we'd all appreciate it if there's something--ANYTHING--relevant you could bring here as opposed to the same old drivel you've been repeating for a while now. Matter of fact, I'd like to see you attempt to counteract my last two posts. Of course, we all have been waiting for you to "bring something to the table" for 24 pages now.

The discussion is over.

You lost. Quite a few pages ago.

Get over it and move on.

Try as you might you will not discount the hateful, bigoted content of the original post and the meaning behind it. You can wish wash around and call this and that but it will not take the fact away that the original post was racist/prejudice hatemongering fearmongering untrue propaganda to perpetrate hate against a type of people.