If anything your support for illegal immigrant labor takes from these legal farm workers! The employers will never provide the prerequisites called for by the Government to qualify for such employees when they have an unlimited, unregulated labor force of 12 million illegals!

Also, there is noway, as a veteran I will ever support "Shake-N-Bake" American Citizens! Not after the price Me, my family, and all the other "legal" American Veterans have payed for it!!

I have many Mexican American friends. I graduated HS 70 miles from the Mexican border.

For those bleeding hearts that dont have the stomach required to ship all the illegals back to where they come from! Turn your head so you ant see and Ill do it! I wont feel bad about it one bit!

I like the way it is going now though. Its a lot cheaper. Prosecute the employers, the landlords, and those that harbor or aid the illegals.

When they find their asses homeless, without food-stamps, health-care, or a job they will gladly leave on their own!!! No matter where they come from!!

Are all illegal immigrants bad people? Of course not. Obviously, some work hard and try their best to support themselves independently. However, all illegal immigrants have in bad faith violated our federal immigration. This, in turn, leads to a long string of other violations, negative social impacts, and attitudes that affect our communities. The illegals themselves often pay a high price for living in the shadows. For example, many crimes against illegal immigrants go unreported for fear of deportation. Our government has also confused the illegals by not sending a strong message to the world about our laws. Instead the message has been: "If you can get across the border, you're 'home free.'" Now they're stuck in the middle of this problem also. Most illegals will not assimilate, because they never planned or need to with so many catering to them there's little incentive to assimilate. Many live quite well here, while others with thrifty lifestyles wire billions of dollars worth of tax-free income back to their native countries for powerful savings accounts. As the Data Sources Page sites, an entire new housing market has evolved in Latin America to build homes from remittance money, homes that many Americans will never realize themselves. In many cases, Americans who lose their homes are, as a result of illegal hiring, the undercutting of prevailing wages, jobs lost to NAFTA and offshore business. Rarely are the savings passed on to the American consumers. When the business organizations lobby our elected officials (a partial list is provided on this page) that they need illegals otherwise they can't fill their jobs, this is a self-serving and completely unfounded myth. Citizens and legal immigrants would proudly fill those jobs. Business organizations are simply salivating at undercutting the prevailing wages or expanding their consumer markets. This is their shortsighted "rush to the bottom line" at the expense of lost jobs to citizens and lost business for employers who obey the laws. This is not the American way of healthy business competition that encourages progress. Rather, it is the worst form of activity to be found in business. Business lobbyists also fail to consider how this activity shifts numerous social costs onto the rest of the nation.

http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

Nazi Germany dragoness did not simply deport illegals. They rounded up and exterminated their own Jewish citizens in an attempt to purify their race!!

Americans are mutts!!!

No Comparison!!!

You are right Fanta about the crimes agaist them as well. It has made the news here more than a few times. Them being robbed. beaten, and robbed again because they knew they would not call the cops for fear.

I do not support illegal labor. I support them being given a way to make right and stay if they wish to become a citizen here.
Kat

I support them being given a way to make right and stay if they wish to become a citizen here.


They are given a way Kat!
They can leave and apply for legal immigration!

Shake-N-Bake, "(Amnesty)," has been done before!
It didn't work!
The Feds wont do their job so the People have went to their State Govs and "Getting the Job done!"

Its working too. They are voluntarily moving.
Different States right now, but in time as more and more States follow suit!
They wont have another State to run to!
And then, they will do one of three things.

a) go to Canada!!!
b) go home!! , or
c) get arrested and deported!

With housing, services, and jobs cut-off,
What do you think they will do? Ill bet they leave!

If done in a chronological manner,
one could push them them towards the border without even cranking a bus or supplying gas for transportation!

No violence, no torture, no mistreatment. Just a gentle push, and Zero incentive for them to stay here illegally!!

Americans know that one phone call from their President could charge the United States military to secure (even under strict rules of engagement) the remaining open-border sections known for illegal crossings. But he capitulated with the Mexican President's request not to secure the borders. Internally, because of their activities in the country, more than 600,000 state and local law enforcement officers come into contact with illegal aliens every day, yet few are turned over to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). This must stop. ICE often claims it does not have the resources to pick up even those who are already detained for them, Americans expect more than excuses. If even our military bases' security is now being contracted out, why doesn't ICE contract out-trained drivers in government vans to pick up those detained by law enforcement? Because government managers have failed to manage the existing immigration laws, how will they manage a new and greatly expanded immigration program? Recently, the State Department has been unable to manage the new passport requirements for only two countries. Because illegal immigrants have failed to follow the existing laws, why would anyone think they will suddenly come forward and follow more immigration laws or pay the proposed fines? Americans also see the inconsistency between "talking tough" about border security while at the same time providing billions of dollars in government services for those in the country illegally. Most agencies don't even bother to ask for their legal status! By providing free services to illegal immigrants, these agencies use up resources that our citizens need--citizens who deserve to have priority. The costs for providing those 'free' services are being shifted over into higher taxes and insurance costs. As a result, many hospitals are closing or moving, schools and agencies are stretched to the limit, taxes are on the increase. The American people can no longer be forced bear the weight of the failed leadership of its neighboring countries. Those countries and their people must now bear that weight for themselves. Immigrants will not value a better quality of life and free social services that are instantly and illegally provided in America. All countries must of their own sweat equity develop better standards and opportunities for themselves. Only then will it be embraced.

http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

I like that site!!

When I was in HS, that is exactly what they did. Every week you would see a white bus, (school bus), going back toward Mexico with their collection of illegals!

Now they are bold, not even worried about being caught and deported.

Even in Court, the gov provides translators.
So these illegals can get fair treatment.
Leaving the courtroom on their own recognisance with little more than a fine!
Back to being just another illegal immigrant free to move around illegally!

Oh please fanta, I have provided a very real and basic defense for my feeling that this post was racist propaganda. Passionate about racism, you bet, it is racism that is the base for most of the ugliness in our country. When I see racism in it's many subtle forms I call it. You deny that you are racist, I have to take that on your word. The information originally posted is a racist, bigoted, propoganda designed to try to bring others around to the racist point of view.

That said, we are all "shake and bake" as you called it Americans. We, unless we are American Indian, cannot claim to be nothing else but shake and bake. So that point is invalid. Our ancestors walked into America and squatted here and became citizens. If we were lucky they were tracked in the ellis island books, but other than that they basically squatted and became Americans. So that point again is mute and useless.

As for the amnesty being illegal, I never said give them amnesty I said make them pay by a probationary type punishment maybe a fine of some kind and or waiting longer for their citizenship to go through. Some sort of punishment and then legalize them so we can get taxes out of them and we know who is here. Nazi style roundups is how I see your point of view. How do you get them and ship them all across the border unless you do Nazi style, house to house checks and gather them in cages to await processing and shipment. How else can you do it your way?????? Any type of gathering them up and shipping them out is inhumane, you cannot make it right.

I am disappointed in my fellow man, maybe that is what is showing in my posts. I am ashamed that there are "my fellow Americans" with no humanity in there souls. It is extremely sad.

Dragoness the Indians walked here also and "squatted".Regardless ,we have laws NOW which you yourself say need to be enforced.Nazi's put people on trains and shipped them to death camps .No one has suggested that at all.If you come here illegally you are taking a calculated risk that you will be caught and shipped back.So the illegal makes that Choice to break the law.Not me,you,fanta or anyone else.The illegal knows the consequences going in.At least they only get deported.If I walked around with fake papers,name etc and used them to get work,benefits etc I would be facing a prison term for fraud.Everyone wants to make it a race issue .Personally ,I am tired of the race card being played everytime this issue is brought up.

Cutie , you hit the nail squarely on the head. Thank you.

your welcome robert..

I repeat myself because it is not just a simple matter of illegally entering our country, there are employers here who actually transported them here and helped them establish themselves here. As the "great American" logic states we stand for our own. The employers who employ them are "our own". Therefore there is responsibility here as well as the choice they made. It is more than one sided. All of us have enjoyed cheaper products here due to the employment of the slave labor. Not one American can say they have not and be speaking the truth.

Again there is a sadness at the inhumanity of some Americans to this issue.

nothing imhuman about it

the only thing being brought here by an american company

chances is the liability of said company to pay

the cost of the government to carry out the deportation

and possibly having to pay the illegal for false promises

or breach of contract if it can be proven they mislead them

to get them to come here

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also you inhumane remark seems very racist to me

are you again insinuating that the united states

is the only humane country and better than any other

country in the world

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and just wondering

how many illegals do you know personally

Hell, yea, I think my country is the best in the world. No doubt about it. And my pride in the integrity and empathy in most of my fellow Americans makes me so full of pride I could cry. As for that statement being racist to you, so be it, I do not understand that statement but to each their own. Now as for my personal life, that may be none of anyone's business unless they are my friend, so you will have to just wonder about that one.

i will take that as a yes

and that you are ashamed to

claim them as a friend

no i wonder who acts as

they claim others act

but it does explain

why emotion would rule how one thinks

thank you for your answer

you know nothing of me I have humanity in my soul that is all. No hatred, no racism, no prejudice. I judge others with a human eye not one of being superior or better than them. The struggle to live is too important to overlook for me. I guess others cannot let go of the hateful feelings in order to let their humaniy show. It is sad to me that I have to be defending a friend or friends for you to understand my humanity. I do not feel that I want to share personally, I would not trust someone who feels that aliens are less than human with my personal information. You are off track though, I will tell you that.

no one but you has made the insinuation

of being better than anyone else

you said
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"Hell, yea, I think my country is the best in the world. No doubt about it. An"
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you are the making the insinuation

that others are of the substandard of the united states

so do not sit there judging how people feel about those
that break the law to get what they want rather than
going about it legally

law breakers need to be dealt with as the law prescribes

and those that look down their noses saying they are
the best in the world are the ones that create
most of the world issues

be well may you someday realize this is a world and
that others are in it and they have as much right
to make their better as we do to make our country better

and they do not have to come to the states to have
a better life no mater what some think

With your rambling, I have a hard time understanding but for me to love my country is not in anyway degrading or insinuating others are less. I am glad to be born here. As for the other stuff of which we went over and over and over and over and over. The illegality of the situation is more complicated as is the situation in many illegal court situations. Everything in life has shades of gray and most of the gray shades are because of the human regard for other humans. I stand righteous in my standing that the humanity of the situation will not allow us to treat them like animals as the original post on here portrays them or Nazi roundups will be. I am a model citizen, no record state or federal, no driving offenses, vote, jury duty, pay my taxes, protect those less able to defend themselves children, animals, but even with all that said, I cannot judge another human as less than me. Regardless to race, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, background, culture, religion, body type, intelligence level, etc....... If others can and feel comfortable with it, I do not understand, but it is their business.

from previous post

I cannot judge another human as less than me. Regardless to race, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, background, culture, religion, body type, intelligence level, etc....... If others can and feel comfortable with it, I do not understand, but it is their business.


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this is an outright misleading statement

nationality

did you forget this post

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another post same poster

Hell, yea, I think my country is the best in the world. No doubt about it.

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that sounds like you think nationality is a way to be better
than some one else

sorry but yer all over the board

and i told you way back i did not say the original post
was valid every time you get pinned down on something
you say something regarding the original post