yes but it is in there

Sherrie wrote:
“I could have done without such teachings too James...the beauty of it now is that I no longer seek such answers outside of myself for that which lives inside of me. So I am grateful for the experiences for they brought me to this place of peace and contentment within. I am okay with that...grateful in fact.”

Such a beautiful testimony of the real living God Sherrie. I feel the same way.

I post on the religious forums just for something to do. I really have no concerns about my own personal relationship with God. I just enjoy typing.

Webster's New World : Third College Edition

reasoning (in) n. 1 the drawing of inferences or conclusions from known or assumed facts; use of reason

rationalize v. 1 to make rational;make conform to reason

rational adj. 1 of based on or derived from reasoning

These my friend, are the FIRST definitions given, which we all know are the most commonly used ones and accepted...

Feel free to reasearch it youself in a world reknowned and accepted and "hard" book... much more reliable source of information...

All that aside... you truly cannot use the two as you have chosen to...

rationalize is a verb.

reasoning is a noun.

ooops... Spider, I apologize for that last comment which was inaccurate. You had said reason...All else stands true.

Now, as we ALL look for the evidence of what has become "fruitful" within us... let's keep an open mind here, shall we?

If mine were any more open it would be falling out of my head

creativesoul,

I brought up the subject of rationalization vs reason, so why should I allow you to define the words? If you were talking about rabbits and I insisted that you must mean "Volkswagon Rabbits", while you were talking about the rodents, would I be right? Simply put, there is a difference, as I have demonstrated with defintions and a blurb from an article, between ONE definition of rationalize and reason. But the word isn't even the point, the point is many of the posters in these forums rationalize (start with a conclusion and look for evidence) subjects, when they should use reason. Do you see my point? I'm not saying that you can't find a definition of rationalize that will conflict with the one I posted, but we all realize that each word has different meanings, right? Why are we quibbling about the definition of the word and ignoring the elephant in the room?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology)
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In psychology, rationalization is the process of constructing a logical justification for a flawed decision, action or lack thereof that was originally arrived at through a different mental process.
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Is that definition the same as yours? No, it's not, but it's an equally valid defintion for the word.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rationalize
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To devise self-satisfying but incorrect reasons for (one's behavior):
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This one isn't like yours either...huh, I guess everyone is wrong but you?

Your definition isn't exclusive, there are other defintions of the word and I was speaking of rationalization in a different form than you were. I made myself clear from the beginning that I was talking about the process of finding evidence to support your previously assumed conclusion. Now can we drop this silly rabbit trail of a topic and move on?

wikipedia is not a good source for definitions

why use wikipedia for one

and .thefreedictionary for the other

and were is the other site with the hebrew meanings

yer a confusing soul spider

consistency is a must in a debate

Sherrie wrote:
"If mine were any more open it would be falling out of my head "

You have an open mind to thoughts
an open heart to love
and an open mouth to chocolate!

I am so predictable




Intrigue my mind ... touch my heart ... add chocolate to the mix and I am a goner for sure

adj4u,

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why use wikipedia for one

and .thefreedictionary for the other
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Because I used my trusty google toolbar and grabed the definitions? Because I wanted to show that rationalize can be defined multiple ways.

http://www.rationalizes.com/
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In psychology, rationalization is the process of constructing a logical justification for a flawed decision, action or lack thereof that was originally arrived at through a different mental process.
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Notice that the definition from wikipedia was cut/paste from a psychology website? That's true of most things on Wikipedia, it's one place to get lots of information and the information is usually "borrow" from another site.

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and were is the other site with the hebrew meanings
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What other site? You think I should offer multiple sites with definitions for each word? I already posted the word, why don't YOU look for a site. I would hate to post a defintion and have you moan that you don't like the site it's from, so why not save us both time and either accept the definition I offered or look it up for yourself.

ok gentlemen ... thank you for the multiple definitions ...

now can anyone explain to me how God 'feels' anything at all?

Sherrie wrote:
“now can anyone explain to me how God 'feels' anything at all?”

Ooooo!

Ooooo!

Ooooo!

Pick me!

Pick me!


Ah,….


:blushes and coughs:

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God feels things through us. We give God life by living our lives with passion and purpose. Our emotions and experiences are God’s emotions and experiences and that’s how it all works.

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How’d I do?

Do I get a chocolate chip now?

Sure, we can drop this silly rabbit trail... call off YOUR dogs that started it...

I understand the concept that you were conveying...however, I just do not want your listed definitions applied my explicit meanings, because I inevitably will use those terms also... in their most commonly used definitions, based on what I have come to believe those words to mean.

Let us not forget that my source did support one of your differences, and I agreed and accepted that I had placed the wrong definition on the word "jealousy"...

Now that I have come to terms with my mistaken definition of jealousy, long ago in this thread, the subject at hand was unjust punishment of children as a result of someone else's behaviours and or beliefs, namely, their older relatives.

To which you posted:

Sure, let me explain. It really helps to read the entire OT, so that you get the full context. When all of Israel rebelled against God, God allowed them to be taken as slaves (notice, that God didn't cause it to happen, He ALLOWED it to happen) by Babylon. The children weren't punished directly, but the parents were punished and the children received the consequences of that punishment. God's punishment for the parents not worshipping him (as they had promised to do) was to remove his protection from Israel and His strength from their armies, so that they were taken into slavery by their enemies. God never directly punishes someone for the sins of another, but when the punishment effects the parents, the punishment will also unavoidably effect the children. This verse is a warning to parents, that their actions will effect their children.


And again I ask... Is that just? To knowingly allow a child to be born into slavery, just because their relatives hated God?

Ummmm I ate all the chocolate chips Michael ...


But I did uncover a secret stash of Rolo's ... wanna share?

God feels THROUGH the everything... all that is, all that was, all that will be...

creativesoul,

Imagine that you lived in the country and your neighbor came out of his way every time you went away to check on your house and make sure it wasn't broken into. One day, you curse your neighbor for no reason and spit in his eye. The next time you go on vacation, your neighbor no longer goes out of his way to check on your house and you get robbed. Your neighbor wasn't watching your house, because of your behavior, is it your neighbors fault that your house got robbed?

God was protecting the Israelites from their enemies. God stopped protecting the Israelites, because they were no longer worshipping Him. Is it just? Yes. Is it fair? No. The parents should have kept their commitments so that their children would have been spared that fate. God kept his side of the bargain for many generations after the people stopped worshipping him. When he finally stopped protecting them, what right does anyone have to blame God? God warned them through Moses and Joshua that they would eventually turn away from God and become slaves. So God gave them warning of what would happen if they abandoned him and God gave them generations to correct errors, I see no blame that can be justly appointed to God.

You are such a wonder to behold Sherrie... absolutely the epitome of love and playfulness...MMMMuuuah!

I am trying to keep from picking apart little pieces of your statements that lead one to an off-topic question(s)...

No, it would not be my neighbor's "fault" if my house got robbed because of the aforementioned conditions... I agree

I very well may be inclined to think otherwise, however, if my neighbor had pre-existing knowledge of the robbery, actually warned me that my actions were going to cause it to happen, could have prevented it from happening, but stood by and watched it happen....just to say "I told you so!"

Would not a more just notion, from the source, be creating circumstances for me to learn, without unjust punishment of little children, who had nothing to do with the outcome, other than to be a pawn of some sort... unneccessary collateral damage?