is asking a woman out to dinner and offering to pay, maintain eye contact and show interest in the conversation being a " nice guy" push over?

I like the way you put this.

if not that day....then maybe the next one...

will you be cooking the breakfast then?

They just be special little boys with inattention and impulsivity issues...

Thats why u folk are all in the FORUMS..LOL...no offence

for a sex hook up when we first meet? holy cow I been on here for a couple months now...who forgot to send me the memo on this one???

SPOT ON! HAHAHAHAHAHAH

People with thousands of post counts, it says it all :D

two.........over~easy...............coming right up....

I would be dumbfounded by the fact that this exact subject has been around since forever, and is still the subject of so many misunderstandings, were it not for my eventual discovery that most people PURPOSELY misunderstand all of this.

Most people do purposely misunderstand it, for a lot of different and sometimes even subtle reasons.

On the most obvious level, there are people who are quite simply "on the make." Men and women who have decided for whatever reason, to have sex with as many other people as they can manage to. It usually appears to be that the ones who do so, are actually suffering from some sort of psychological defect or another, some basic misapprehension of their own existence, but that's for another time.

Just take the men who the OP complains about for example. There is some variety even amongst the "sex now" males. Most have decided that sex now is all they want from dealing with a woman. Some do so because they concluded at some point that a woman having sex with them is an accomplishment on their part, that it proves that they are more valuable than other men in some way.


Some of these keep score on one way, and some in another.

Some pat themselves on the back for how MANY women they manage to "bag," others go by exactly WHICH women they manage to "bag," such as the ones who pride themselves on having sex with women who at least nominally are supposed to be with some other man. They chase only married or engaged or otherwise "committed" women. This is a pure power game to them. They don't care about the women themselves, they only care about doing imaginary damage to the other males involved.

Some others, care only about the number of women they have sex with. These are the ones who often show no concern at all for what each woman looks like, acts like, etc, and will quite literally have sex with anything that doesn't have a full beard, a penis, and a deep voice.

Some others, are all about sex as a form of revenge for imagined slights. These want to have sex in a way which the woman finds upsetting in some way, not necessarily physically painful, but psychologically so. Some of them want to have sex as soon as possible BECAUSE the women will be uncomfortable about it psychologically.

It's all fascinating to me, as a student of Human Nature.

What's even more intriguing, is that there are all sorts of women as well, and many of them purposely cooperate with the most seemingly disturbing males, for their own odd reasons. One common phenomenon, is the women who PURPOSELY choose to date males who obviously are "on the make" for instant sex, because either they get an ego kick from frustrating them, or because they want to have sex instantly themselves for similar reasons but want the male to be to blame for it, or even because they get an ego kick from despising all men, and want plenty of examples to point to in order to enable them to do so.

All you have to add on top of all this nuttiness, is that when it's brought out in the open, most of the thrilling psychological benefits are lost, and you have the reason why everyone colludes to remain "mystified" about it all.

yes, thats the best kind... little effort, big rewards

that man has it made!

sorry what? i wasn't paying attention...

Indeed it is! And I'm quite interested in how they'd feel about being in a LTR with such a woman... Cos I'm quite sure most men would dump a woman on the spot as soon as they'd find out she's spread her legs for every bloke she dated.

Don't know who mentioned it in this thread, but she said there's women men bleep and there's women men marry. And that's usually not the ones they bleep.

only if she didn't stop while we are dating...

So you'd seriously be okay if she was a notch on the bedpost of most every man in town?
I'm quite liberal and understand a guy wasn't chaste before we met, but I don't think I'm that tolerable, lol

as long as i'm not the last in line...sloppy seconds, ugh...

i never ask girlfriends about past, and don't listen if they start yapping about it... but yea, it is a turn off and pretty nasty

hahahaha man ya gotta love the honesty that only online forums can give..reminds me of these sex talks we had in the college dorm with girls on one team and boys on other
RA ( residence hall boss) would fire questions at us and we would answer..good stuff then and good stuff now

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interesting paradox is it not Crystal...

man: " I want a chick that I do not have to work hard with, that sex is a guarantee and I don't even have to offer to pay for dinner..I want her to offer up sex on first date or at least be uh ...open to idea if I initiate it but I want her to only do this with me and no one before or after me cause after all..I am special"
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Wells finally!!. You're catching on.. I ams special...
now I gotta strap on my helmet and get off to work ..

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