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BTW,the word is REGARDLESS!
 I am 'thanking' you a 'dozen' times (actually) 
Each of those occasions, while typing that word 'irrespective', I was 'scratching' (evidently 'my head') to recollect a 'better' & 'more appropriate' term! Simply couldn't manage to 'get hold of it'! 
Thank You (once again)! 
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we are still friends remember.
'Certainly' Dude! We 'were' friends; we 'are' friends & we'll always 'be' friends! Keep 'Rocking'! 
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"thou shalt not kill"?
And One Small Point (My Friend): Although I haven't read 'thou shalt not kill', an 'inner' voice within me, tells me that such a 'command' was given by GOD with an 'implied/implicit' parallel command: 'thou shalt not "rape"!' I merely shared what 'something' within, said to me right now! Please carry on with your conversations (@ Uchea) 
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CowboyGH - Insisting that your religious beliefs take precedence over the choices these young girls may make shows a complete lack of empathy for the horrors these girls have endured. They and only they should be the ones to make such decisions and frankly it is none of your business. I understand where you're coming from, you just don't seem to see where I'm coming from. - Is that fetus not a living being? - Does that fetus not have life? If either of those are a yes, then who's right is it for anyone to take it away? Even if the parent didn't intend to be impregnated for any number of reasons. That child's life is not a possession, it does not belong to the mother. yes it does, until it's an adult... your trying to force women to have babies they might not be able to afford, deal with, or even want... so much for god letting people make their OWN decisions... No it doesn't. A baby's life is just that, the baby's life. The baby is not a possession, a thing, or an object. Not trying to force anyone to do anything, if they did not wish to get impregnated they should not have been having sex. If it was from rape, can always put the child up for adoption. As life begins at conception. So again, how can anyone have control over if someone keeps their life or looses it especially when they've done absolutely nothing to influence the possibility of either choices? well, the law says your wrong... does god teach this baby or does the mother? if something happens to the baby, is god going to jail? is god paying for everything for the baby? Wasn't speaking of man's law. That living being inside a mother is just that, a living being. Weather it can feel or not, even if it won't ever know what's happening to it. Doesn't matter, bottom line is it's taking the life of another. That's why they allow abortion up to a certain amount of weeks, till then the fetus/baby wouldn't feel it. But that's not the point again weather if it can feel it or not, it's taking the life of a living soul. well, look at it this way then.... god abandoned the 200 GIRLS when he "let" them get kidnapped... god abandoned the GIRLS again when he "let" the POS's have their way with the them... now you say they should listen to god and not abort the fetus's because god doesn't want anyone "murdered"... me being atheist/agnostic says god lost his wants when he let this happen to them in the first place... if any of these girls want to keep the babies, more power to them, i wish them the best... and the same goes if any of the girls want to abort the babies... if i was a doctor, i would do it for them for free... |
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we are still friends remember.
'Certainly' Dude! We 'were' friends; we 'are' friends & we'll always 'be' friends! Keep 'Rocking'!
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Thanks for reassurance.
You are most welcome, 'Bro'!
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What I think is that the mother should make that decision. Her and the father of her baby. I understand some might be too young to look after the baby, but understand that taking a baby away from it's natural parents, may cause a massive mental scar. Especially for the parents. Who is anyone to take their baby away from them? Unless you are completely void of emotion, you'll try not to take their baby away from them.
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Edited by
Kaustuv1
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Fri 05/08/15 10:29 AM
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"if i was a doctor, i would do it for them for free..."
How I wish, there was one 'a pat on the back (in consummate appreciation)' smiley available in 'Mingle'! 
A 'pat on the back' or A 'shake hands' smiley! I hope 'Kristi' 'Soufi' and 'the other site moderators' are 'listening'!
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CowboyGH - Insisting that your religious beliefs take precedence over the choices these young girls may make shows a complete lack of empathy for the horrors these girls have endured. They and only they should be the ones to make such decisions and frankly it is none of your business. I understand where you're coming from, you just don't seem to see where I'm coming from. - Is that fetus not a living being? - Does that fetus not have life? If either of those are a yes, then who's right is it for anyone to take it away? Even if the parent didn't intend to be impregnated for any number of reasons. That child's life is not a possession, it does not belong to the mother. yes it does, until it's an adult... your trying to force women to have babies they might not be able to afford, deal with, or even want... so much for god letting people make their OWN decisions... No it doesn't. A baby's life is just that, the baby's life. The baby is not a possession, a thing, or an object. Not trying to force anyone to do anything, if they did not wish to get impregnated they should not have been having sex. If it was from rape, can always put the child up for adoption. As life begins at conception. So again, how can anyone have control over if someone keeps their life or looses it especially when they've done absolutely nothing to influence the possibility of either choices? well, the law says your wrong... does god teach this baby or does the mother? if something happens to the baby, is god going to jail? is god paying for everything for the baby? Wasn't speaking of man's law. That living being inside a mother is just that, a living being. Weather it can feel or not, even if it won't ever know what's happening to it. Doesn't matter, bottom line is it's taking the life of another. That's why they allow abortion up to a certain amount of weeks, till then the fetus/baby wouldn't feel it. But that's not the point again weather if it can feel it or not, it's taking the life of a living soul. well, look at it this way then.... god abandoned the 200 GIRLS when he "let" them get kidnapped... god abandoned the GIRLS again when he "let" the POS's have their way with the them... now you say they should listen to god and not abort the fetus's because god doesn't want anyone "murdered"... me being atheist/agnostic says god lost his wants when he let this happen to them in the first place... if any of these girls want to keep the babies, more power to them, i wish them the best... and the same goes if any of the girls want to abort the babies... if i was a doctor, i would do it for them for free... |
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CowboyGH - Insisting that your religious beliefs take precedence over the choices these young girls may make shows a complete lack of empathy for the horrors these girls have endured. They and only they should be the ones to make such decisions and frankly it is none of your business. I understand where you're coming from, you just don't seem to see where I'm coming from. - Is that fetus not a living being? - Does that fetus not have life? If either of those are a yes, then who's right is it for anyone to take it away? Even if the parent didn't intend to be impregnated for any number of reasons. That child's life is not a possession, it does not belong to the mother. yes it does, until it's an adult... your trying to force women to have babies they might not be able to afford, deal with, or even want... so much for god letting people make their OWN decisions... No it doesn't. A baby's life is just that, the baby's life. The baby is not a possession, a thing, or an object. Not trying to force anyone to do anything, if they did not wish to get impregnated they should not have been having sex. If it was from rape, can always put the child up for adoption. As life begins at conception. So again, how can anyone have control over if someone keeps their life or looses it especially when they've done absolutely nothing to influence the possibility of either choices? well, the law says your wrong... does god teach this baby or does the mother? if something happens to the baby, is god going to jail? is god paying for everything for the baby? Wasn't speaking of man's law. That living being inside a mother is just that, a living being. Weather it can feel or not, even if it won't ever know what's happening to it. Doesn't matter, bottom line is it's taking the life of another. That's why they allow abortion up to a certain amount of weeks, till then the fetus/baby wouldn't feel it. But that's not the point again weather if it can feel it or not, it's taking the life of a living soul. well, look at it this way then.... god abandoned the 200 GIRLS when he "let" them get kidnapped... god abandoned the GIRLS again when he "let" the POS's have their way with the them... now you say they should listen to god and not abort the fetus's because god doesn't want anyone "murdered"... me being atheist/agnostic says god lost his wants when he let this happen to them in the first place... if any of these girls want to keep the babies, more power to them, i wish them the best... and the same goes if any of the girls want to abort the babies... if i was a doctor, i would do it for them for free... no, and don't care... |
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214 of the girls Nigerian Army rescued fron Boko Haram Islamic Terrorists from their forest strong hold last week have been confirmed pregnant.Apparently from repeated rapes (not that I am surprised anyway). My question is considering the psychological consequences of this,both long and short term,can abortion be justified in this instance? Both muslims,christians and all, your view another aspect to this is the accountability of the perpetrator... it is also genetically his child... how involved should the man be in this issue, short term and long term consequences and implications? but i digress.. in my opinion to your question... are the long and short term psychological consequences the factor for justifying abortion ? if so, then yes, it is justifiable... as anyone can justify their actions in any way they choose... other aspects can also make this justifiable--financial, physical, political..etc.. if you think about it, capital punishment for the rapist is also justifiable in this respect. but then again, this is also in the same way as the boko haram thought/taught that it is justifiable to kidnap, rape and impregnate these teens... considering that this is placed in a religious forum, is it justifiable? generally speaking, i don't think any "true" philosophy/religion/belief will teach that one should take another's life... as these teaches a way of life that values life, per se... as opposed to prioritizing the quality of life... so in this sense, it becomes against abortion, regardless the situation of pregnancy.. that being said, i do not consider the fanaticism used by boko haram as anything "true"...it is just their sad excuse to use a religion to justify their own needs... should anyone besides the person in question decide on abortion? i think not. although family/society/government can be "burdened" with providing a moral compass and financial support for the person in question, it ultimately becomes a matter of personal conscience and faith in the long run, the real burden and accountability is on the person involved. what is more important for others to do is to be able to provide these girls comprehensive information and support with the decision they are about to make. that would include integrating personal circumstances and beliefs of the person involved. it is sad enough that these women are subjected to the horrors of being kidnapped, raped, likely brainwashed and threatened by these people...it becomes worse for them if in their reintroduction to society, they will be further victimized by the dictates of society, and cause them more inner conflict due to the ordeal they have been through. two wrongs do not make a right. the bible says not to kill, it also says not to judge. compassion is key. whether these girls are true practicing christians, or muslims or buddhist or hindu or jew, or whatever...or whether their religious affiliation is just arbitrary information...let their "gods/God" be their judge of whether they are right or wrong in their decision. if they give due priority to their faith, then they will decide based on their faith, and they will be accountable for their decision, regardless what either one is. |
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"if i was a doctor, i would do it for them for free..."
How I wish, there was one 'a pat on the back (in consummate appreciation)' smiley available in 'Mingle'!
A 'pat on the back' or A 'shake hands' smiley! I hope 'Kristi' 'Soufi' and 'the other site moderators' are 'listening'!
thank you, and i agree... there's a handful of new smiley's i would like to see on here... |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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CowboyGH - Insisting that your religious beliefs take precedence over the choices these young girls may make shows a complete lack of empathy for the horrors these girls have endured. They and only they should be the ones to make such decisions and frankly it is none of your business. I understand where you're coming from, you just don't seem to see where I'm coming from. - Is that fetus not a living being? - Does that fetus not have life? If either of those are a yes, then who's right is it for anyone to take it away? Even if the parent didn't intend to be impregnated for any number of reasons. That child's life is not a possession, it does not belong to the mother. yes it does, until it's an adult... your trying to force women to have babies they might not be able to afford, deal with, or even want... so much for god letting people make their OWN decisions... No it doesn't. A baby's life is just that, the baby's life. The baby is not a possession, a thing, or an object. Not trying to force anyone to do anything, if they did not wish to get impregnated they should not have been having sex. If it was from rape, can always put the child up for adoption. As life begins at conception. So again, how can anyone have control over if someone keeps their life or looses it especially when they've done absolutely nothing to influence the possibility of either choices? well, the law says your wrong... does god teach this baby or does the mother? if something happens to the baby, is god going to jail? is god paying for everything for the baby? Wasn't speaking of man's law. That living being inside a mother is just that, a living being. Weather it can feel or not, even if it won't ever know what's happening to it. Doesn't matter, bottom line is it's taking the life of another. That's why they allow abortion up to a certain amount of weeks, till then the fetus/baby wouldn't feel it. But that's not the point again weather if it can feel it or not, it's taking the life of a living soul. well, look at it this way then.... god abandoned the 200 GIRLS when he "let" them get kidnapped... god abandoned the GIRLS again when he "let" the POS's have their way with the them... now you say they should listen to god and not abort the fetus's because god doesn't want anyone "murdered"... me being atheist/agnostic says god lost his wants when he let this happen to them in the first place... if any of these girls want to keep the babies, more power to them, i wish them the best... and the same goes if any of the girls want to abort the babies... if i was a doctor, i would do it for them for free... well, look at it this way then.... god abandoned the 200 GIRLS when he "let" them get kidnapped... god abandoned the GIRLS again when he "let" the POS's have their way with the them Well look at it this way, God didn't abandon the 200 girls when he didn't specifically "let" them do anything. It's called free will, those men will have their reward for that which they did. So we can look at it as God allowed them to get into that situation, but why don't we go more of a "God rescued those 200 girls" from the situation? |
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abortion is murder, the baby didn't ask to be put there and they deserve life. who is anybody to put an end to a life because its not convenient to them raped or not raped. if you don't feel you can love that child then give the child up for adoption, don't end a special deserving life. that is just my view.
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Well look at it this way, God didn't abandon the 200 girls when he didn't specifically "let" them do anything. It's called free will, those men will have their reward for that which they did. So we can look at it as God allowed them to get into that situation, but why don't we go more of a "God rescued those 200 girls" from the situation? Uh, point of information: Nowhere does the Bible say that God gives each Human unlimited free will. We now return to this thread, which is already in progress. |
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abortion is murder, the baby didn't ask to be put there and they deserve life. who is anybody to put an end to a life because its not convenient to them raped or not raped. if you don't feel you can love that child then give the child up for adoption, don't end a special deserving life. that is just my view. |
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CowboyGH - Insisting that your religious beliefs take precedence over the choices these young girls may make shows a complete lack of empathy for the horrors these girls have endured. They and only they should be the ones to make such decisions and frankly it is none of your business. I understand where you're coming from, you just don't seem to see where I'm coming from. - Is that fetus not a living being? - Does that fetus not have life? If either of those are a yes, then who's right is it for anyone to take it away? Even if the parent didn't intend to be impregnated for any number of reasons. That child's life is not a possession, it does not belong to the mother. yes it does, until it's an adult... your trying to force women to have babies they might not be able to afford, deal with, or even want... so much for god letting people make their OWN decisions... No it doesn't. A baby's life is just that, the baby's life. The baby is not a possession, a thing, or an object. Not trying to force anyone to do anything, if they did not wish to get impregnated they should not have been having sex. If it was from rape, can always put the child up for adoption. As life begins at conception. So again, how can anyone have control over if someone keeps their life or looses it especially when they've done absolutely nothing to influence the possibility of either choices? well, the law says your wrong... does god teach this baby or does the mother? if something happens to the baby, is god going to jail? is god paying for everything for the baby? Wasn't speaking of man's law. That living being inside a mother is just that, a living being. Weather it can feel or not, even if it won't ever know what's happening to it. Doesn't matter, bottom line is it's taking the life of another. That's why they allow abortion up to a certain amount of weeks, till then the fetus/baby wouldn't feel it. But that's not the point again weather if it can feel it or not, it's taking the life of a living soul. well, look at it this way then.... god abandoned the 200 GIRLS when he "let" them get kidnapped... god abandoned the GIRLS again when he "let" the POS's have their way with the them... now you say they should listen to god and not abort the fetus's because god doesn't want anyone "murdered"... me being atheist/agnostic says god lost his wants when he let this happen to them in the first place... if any of these girls want to keep the babies, more power to them, i wish them the best... and the same goes if any of the girls want to abort the babies... if i was a doctor, i would do it for them for free... Who says God abandoned those women? Who's to say those 200 girls won't have a huge reward in Heaven for their trials on Earth? Why only look at the temporary? Life on Earth is only temporary and but a blink of an eye in the long run. And who ever said God would keep us from such things? Would be impossible unless he took someone's free will away, "the men the kidnapped" in this instance. Those men did what they did and will receive their reward in the matter, just as those innocent women will. God never said he would keep us from danger, but that he would be there to help us. And who's to say that's not why those girls were found? |
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Well look at it this way, God didn't abandon the 200 girls when he didn't specifically "let" them do anything. It's called free will, those men will have their reward for that which they did. So we can look at it as God allowed them to get into that situation, but why don't we go more of a "God rescued those 200 girls" from the situation? Uh, point of information: Nowhere does the Bible say that God gives each Human unlimited free will. We now return to this thread, which is already in progress. Free will = the ability to do whatever one wishes to do, whenever, wherever. God doesn't have to say "ye have free will". "Choices" is free will. With either, one would not have the other. Not saying that's giving permission to do whatever, whenever, where ever, just the fact that we have the ability to do so or not do so is what free will is. |
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abortion is murder, the baby didn't ask to be put there and they deserve life. who is anybody to put an end to a life because its not convenient to them raped or not raped. if you don't feel you can love that child then give the child up for adoption, don't end a special deserving life. that is just my view. |
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abortion is murder, the baby didn't ask to be put there and they deserve life. who is anybody to put an end to a life because its not convenient to them raped or not raped. if you don't feel you can love that child then give the child up for adoption, don't end a special deserving life. that is just my view. Glad you could share that you have good views, but what exactly are those views? And just who are those views good as well? |
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