In reality rape is horrific! It denies a woman of her very dignity and self esteem and leaves indescribable emotional pain and agony and sometimes a society of adults who make things worse for the victim could even make everything much more worse.

Still it is important to know that the baby is innocent and DID NOT participate in the crime of rape. We do not give life - only God gives life. It is wrong to take away the life of the innocent. The baby is innocent and deserves life just like everyone of us.

but who are you to decide who dies, I would definitely have my baby if I were raped, not a second would I think any different. and to add I would love that baby no different from my other children because he or she would be MY baby regardless of how I got pregnant. its the rapist I would hate. not my innocent baby.

it's a discussion, nothing more... if you say you would keep it, then more power to ya, thats what i have been saying all along that it's only the womans decision, not anyone elses... i offered my opinion, nothing more, and you certainly don't have to agree with it...

Ok - Ok...mightyjoe has a right to his opinion; that's all uche9aa asked us to put out here!

And it appears that many of us have varying opinions of this issue! And this is ALWAYS a 'HOT BUTTON' topic to be sure! And posting here on Mingle2 isn't going to make any difference to those 214 women struggling to survive through all the daily life issues that they have to live with! I just can't imagine the horrors of what their existence will be for each of them; granted - 100% better then it has been - provided that they don't end up recaptured.

if you were a woman raped or not and you got pregnant at a very inconvenient time do you think you would kill your baby ?

its ok to have different opinions, and its ok for me to state mine.

i can't say because i'm not a woman... but i also do not see it as killing anyone, so abortion would be a great option...

taking a life is murder but I guess we can agree to disagree.

Amen, still on the level of agree to disagree, but murder is murder, or taking the life of another is the taking the life of another. Even if that life hasn't been born into this physical world. It's still a living being inside that woman.

and you know i disagree with that...

The baby inside her is not "her's" as in it's not her "possession". It is still a living soul/being all in it's own.

A baby is not a "possession". It may not be able to take care of it's own self, but it nevertheless is a living "human" that just needs your protection and care till it's mentally capable of taking care of itself. But still fact remains, that baby isn't a "possession".

you keep thinking that when CS come's to collect your kids...but they were never yours to begin with, so that would be ok, right?...

cs?

Child Services... in Texas, they are called CPS, child protection services, them and the courts decide who's kid is who's...or was...

Maybe I'm missing something here... but what does the CS have to do with a child being a possession or not? How does that make the child an "object"? Yes the child would be your "child", but that's speaking genealogy not in the context of a possession.

I don't quite catch what the issues are in the mails about 'Child Protection Services' and 'possession' and 'object'. But as someone who works in the scope of Child Protection (as a component of Social Development work), may I take the liberty to think that the use of 'possession' here means custody? Child custody is the professional term. It means legitimacy to keep and take care of the child for the welfare of that child.

Biological parents have inherent powers to also take custody of their children unless they are found not to be capable of doing so...in which case the welfare systems put in place in a given country could follow a process approved by law, to find alternative care/custody for such children. This is where the Child Protection Services get involved in most countries (I am not being Texas specific because I don't live in Texas and do not know their specific laws about child custody). It could involve getting the child into the custody of an orphanage or a shelter or foster care pending when adoption process could conclude...if adoption is appropriate in the given circumstance.

Again when, adoption process concludes, the adopted parents also receive legitimate custody of the adopted child and step into the child's life in the same way that the child's biological parents would have been.

For the case study in issue, the biological parent would need to elect the option of giving out the baby for adoption. Sometimes, the baby does not need to pass any time in an orphanage or shelter before actual adoption happens - if processes for adoption were already ongoing through the period of pregnancy. Every country has its own stipulated process backed up by law.

And as for the use of the word, 'object', please it is critical that we do NOT refer to an un-born child as an object. The baby in the womb has life and that makes that baby in the womb a 'he' or 'her'; CERTAINLY NOT AN OBJECT!

I hope this does not offend!

Thank you, exactly what I was saying. I just chose to use the word "possession" rather then object.

Can somebody help us with the annual statistic of deaths that occured or resulted from abortion and abortion related complications worldwide or at least a country, please