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The heart does not develop till five weeks . A fetus does not become viable till 24 weeks . . Meaning until this point it is unlikely to survive outside of the womb . How do you suggest we determine what the fetus wants .. Laughing . You assume the choice would be life . A woman has a right to choose to conceive or not .. .. These girls had no such right . Now you want to force them to give birth and raise a child conceived by rape .. Are you for real . There comes a point when religion has no say . ...And should remain silent . They deserve to make the choice and not to be judged . I am sure god will be sympathetic if he truly is a just and loving god . Right on the Button! 
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CowboyGH - Insisting that your religious beliefs take precedence over the choices these young girls may make shows a complete lack of empathy for the horrors these girls have endured. They and only they should be the ones to make such decisions and frankly it is none of your business. Misquote!!!!!! |
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214 of the girls Nigerian Army rescued fron Boko Haram Islamic Terrorists from their forest strong hold last week have been confirmed pregnant.Apparently from repeated rapes (not that I am surprised anyway). My question is considering the psychological consequences of this,both long and short term,can abortion be justified in this instance? Both muslims,christians and all, your view I say no, who's to say one's life is less important then another? And one can't call anything a "life" unless they've lived it. They would miss out on some possible hard times because of doing this, but they would miss out on any and all chances to experience love, laughter, happiness, excitement, and so forth many many more things they would totally and completely miss out on. what love, laughter, happiness, excitement, and so forth many many more things are you talking about? Time to set that infernal Book away and act like a compassionate human being for crying out loud! 
that Book some of you Guys are trying to foist on everyone! That's the one! |
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I rest my case What did the child do to deserve such a punishment? If nothing, then why is the child punished for something someone else did? Where's the justification in that? I didn't say right or wrong. You have no clue the nightmare it would be. Right or wrong, it's for God to judge not you When a man gets pregnant from rape, then I will listen Again, it's not the woman's life being taken away we're talking about here. It's about the little child inside of her that has absolutely nothing to do with how it was created. And abortion is murdering that child before again it does anything whatsoever and will never experience life's experiences. And only ever have experience of being murdered through the abortion. For again the baby did absolutely nothing to deserve the death penalty. And the "the baby doesn't feel it" doesn't justify it, for that execution will keep that child from ever experiencing anything in this world good or bad and even down to again feeling the grass between their twos or the wind on their face. Just because someone decided their life wasn't worth anything because of the way it was made. I didn't say that at all! A woman's life is in a sense taken away! Right or wrong it is for God to judge. Humans aren't God! Yes, woman's life is "in a sense taken away", the baby's life is literally taken away. No we aren't God, so why is it our discretion to say if the child lives or dies? 
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Never mind the vicious nonsense of claiming that an embryo has a right to life. A piece of protoplasm has no rights and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable. . . . Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives. The task of raising a child is a tremendous, lifelong responsibility, which no one should undertake unwittingly or unwillingly. Procreation is not a duty: human beings are not stock-farm animals. For conscientious persons, an unwanted pregnancy is a disaster; to oppose its termination is to advocate sacrifice, not for the sake of anyone's benefit, but for the sake of misery qua misery, for the sake of forbidding happiness and fulfillment to living human beings.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html |
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Hi Conrad   i tried to contact god for her opinion but she is busy inflicting judgement on the rapist :-)
She only has one Phone-line?  
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Hi Conrad i tried to contact god for her opinion but she is busy inflicting judgement on the rapist :-)
She only has one Phone-line?
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214 of the girls Nigerian Army rescued fron Boko Haram Islamic Terrorists from their forest strong hold last week have been confirmed pregnant.Apparently from repeated rapes (not that I am surprised anyway). My question is considering the psychological consequences of this,both long and short term,can abortion be justified in this instance? Both muslims,christians and all, your view I say no, who's to say one's life is less important then another? And one can't call anything a "life" unless they've lived it. They would miss out on some possible hard times because of doing this, but they would miss out on any and all chances to experience love, laughter, happiness, excitement, and so forth many many more things they would totally and completely miss out on. what love, laughter, happiness, excitement, and so forth many many more things are you talking about? Time to set that infernal Book away and act like a compassionate human being for crying out loud!
that Book some of you Guys are trying to foist on everyone! That's the one! Conrad, seeing that you arrived late to this thread, I'll spare you the trouble of reading its previous pages by repeating something that I said earlier: The Bible is silent on the topic of abortion. One might argue that some people are reading into the Bible something that isn't there. |
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The heart does not develop till five weeks . A fetus does not become viable till 24 weeks . . Meaning until this point it is unlikely to survive outside of the womb . How do you suggest we determine what the fetus wants .. Laughing . You assume the choice would be life . A woman has a right to choose to conceive or not .. .. These girls had no such right . Now you want to force them to give birth and raise a child conceived by rape .. Are you for real . There comes a point when religion has no say . ...And should remain silent . They deserve to make the choice and not to be judged . I am sure god will be sympathetic if he truly is a just and loving god . It may not have a heart at that time. But more then likely it will have a heart. So doesn't really matter if the operation is done before the heart is visible or not it would still be the taking of someones life. |
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CowboyGH - Insisting that your religious beliefs take precedence over the choices these young girls may make shows a complete lack of empathy for the horrors these girls have endured. They and only they should be the ones to make such decisions and frankly it is none of your business. I understand where you're coming from, you just don't seem to see where I'm coming from. - Is that fetus not a living being? - Does that fetus not have life? If either of those are a yes, then who's right is it for anyone to take it away? Even if the parent didn't intend to be impregnated for any number of reasons. That child's life is not a possession, it does not belong to the mother. yes it does, until it's an adult... your trying to force women to have babies they might not be able to afford, deal with, or even want... so much for god letting people make their OWN decisions... No it doesn't. A baby's life is just that, the baby's life. The baby is not a possession, a thing, or an object. Not trying to force anyone to do anything, if they did not wish to get impregnated they should not have been having sex. If it was from rape, can always put the child up for adoption. As life begins at conception. So again, how can anyone have control over if someone keeps their life or looses it especially when they've done absolutely nothing to influence the possibility of either choices? well, the law says your wrong... does god teach this baby or does the mother? if something happens to the baby, is god going to jail? is god paying for everything for the baby? Wasn't speaking of man's law. That living being inside a mother is just that, a living being. Weather it can feel or not, even if it won't ever know what's happening to it. Doesn't matter, bottom line is it's taking the life of another. That's why they allow abortion up to a certain amount of weeks, till then the fetus/baby wouldn't feel it. But that's not the point again weather if it can feel it or not, it's taking the life of a living soul. |
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I rest my case What did the child do to deserve such a punishment? If nothing, then why is the child punished for something someone else did? Where's the justification in that? I didn't say right or wrong. You have no clue the nightmare it would be. Right or wrong, it's for God to judge not you When a man gets pregnant from rape, then I will listen Again, it's not the woman's life being taken away we're talking about here. It's about the little child inside of her that has absolutely nothing to do with how it was created. And abortion is murdering that child before again it does anything whatsoever and will never experience life's experiences. And only ever have experience of being murdered through the abortion. For again the baby did absolutely nothing to deserve the death penalty. And the "the baby doesn't feel it" doesn't justify it, for that execution will keep that child from ever experiencing anything in this world good or bad and even down to again feeling the grass between their twos or the wind on their face. Just because someone decided their life wasn't worth anything because of the way it was made. I didn't say that at all! A woman's life is in a sense taken away! Right or wrong it is for God to judge. Humans aren't God! Yes, woman's life is "in a sense taken away", the baby's life is literally taken away. No we aren't God, so why is it our discretion to say if the child lives or dies?
Fetus is a baby. It doesn't miraculously turn into a baby when it's born. It's a baby, a life form, a being, a soul baring person from the moment of conception. Again regardless if it can feel the pain or not. |
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Never mind the vicious nonsense of claiming that an embryo has a right to life. A piece of protoplasm has no rights and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable. . . . Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives. The task of raising a child is a tremendous, lifelong responsibility, which no one should undertake unwittingly or unwillingly. Procreation is not a duty: human beings are not stock-farm animals. For conscientious persons, an unwanted pregnancy is a disaster; to oppose its termination is to advocate sacrifice, not for the sake of anyone's benefit, but for the sake of misery qua misery, for the sake of forbidding happiness and fulfillment to living human beings. http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html Things don't just "change". That is a living being at conception. Or in the longest run a "potential" person. |
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214 of the girls Nigerian Army rescued fron Boko Haram Islamic Terrorists from their forest strong hold last week have been confirmed pregnant.Apparently from repeated rapes (not that I am surprised anyway). My question is considering the psychological consequences of this,both long and short term,can abortion be justified in this instance? Both muslims,christians and all, your view I say no, who's to say one's life is less important then another? And one can't call anything a "life" unless they've lived it. They would miss out on some possible hard times because of doing this, but they would miss out on any and all chances to experience love, laughter, happiness, excitement, and so forth many many more things they would totally and completely miss out on. what love, laughter, happiness, excitement, and so forth many many more things are you talking about? Time to set that infernal Book away and act like a compassionate human being for crying out loud!
that Book some of you Guys are trying to foist on everyone! That's the one! Conrad, seeing that you arrived late to this thread, I'll spare you the trouble of reading its previous pages by repeating something that I said earlier: The Bible is silent on the topic of abortion. One might argue that some people are reading into the Bible something that isn't there. Exodus 20:13 13 Thou shalt not kill. |
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214 of the girls Nigerian Army rescued fron Boko Haram Islamic Terrorists from their forest strong hold last week have been confirmed pregnant.Apparently from repeated rapes (not that I am surprised anyway). My question is considering the psychological consequences of this,both long and short term,can abortion be justified in this instance? Both muslims,christians and all, your view I say no, who's to say one's life is less important then another? And one can't call anything a "life" unless they've lived it. They would miss out on some possible hard times because of doing this, but they would miss out on any and all chances to experience love, laughter, happiness, excitement, and so forth many many more things they would totally and completely miss out on. what love, laughter, happiness, excitement, and so forth many many more things are you talking about? Time to set that infernal Book away and act like a compassionate human being for crying out loud!
that Book some of you Guys are trying to foist on everyone! That's the one! Conrad, seeing that you arrived late to this thread, I'll spare you the trouble of reading its previous pages by repeating something that I said earlier: The Bible is silent on the topic of abortion. One might argue that some people are reading into the Bible something that isn't there. |
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Edited by
Kaustuv1
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Fri 05/08/15 09:07 AM
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214 of the girls Nigerian Army rescued fron Boko Haram Islamic Terrorists from their forest strong hold last week have been confirmed pregnant.Apparently from repeated rapes (not that I am surprised anyway). My question is considering the psychological consequences of this,both long and short term,can abortion be justified in this instance? Both muslims,christians and all, your view A 'sensitive' human being (irrespective of 'gender' 'caste' 'creed' 'religion' 'community') would abstain from asking 'such' question in the very first place. A woman getting 'raped' is the most heinous act in the history of mankind. I feel 'very few' people in this world would ponder over 'whether abortion in this case, being justified OR not'; most people, would reflect upon the 'shame' that these 'rapists' inflict upon 'human-kind' in general. And 'Yes'; I respect the view of 'those' (here in Mingle), who have stated that 'it is NOT for us to decide whether abortion in this case is justified or not'.. Very true.. It is for 'them' (those 'hapless' women) to decide that.. The 'trauma' (mental pain and suffering) can only be 'felt' by them, who have undergone such an 'inhuman' ordeal.. So, to all the sensible (and 'sensitive') human beings (irrespective of 'Muslims' 'Hindus' 'Christians' 'Jews'............) I ask: 'Does such a heinous crime (and the effect thereof) leave space for 'us' to comment upon the 'justification' (or otherwise) of abortion (in this case)'?
I (honestly) don't 'think' so! 
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214 of the girls Nigerian Army rescued fron Boko Haram Islamic Terrorists from their forest strong hold last week have been confirmed pregnant.Apparently from repeated rapes (not that I am surprised anyway). My question is considering the psychological consequences of this,both long and short term,can abortion be justified in this instance? Both muslims,christians and all, your view A 'sensitive' human being (irrespective of 'gender' 'caste' 'creed' 'religion' 'community') would abstain from asking 'such' question in the very first place. A woman getting 'raped' is the most heinous act in the history of mankind. I feel 'very few' people in this world would ponder over 'whether abortion in this case, being justified OR not'; most people, would reflect upon the 'shame' that these 'rapists' inflict upon 'human-kind' in general. And 'Yes'; I respect the view of 'those' (here in Mingle), who have stated that 'it is NOT for us to decide whether abortion in this case is justified or not'.. Very true.. It is for 'them' (those 'hapless' women) to decide that.. The 'trauma' (mental pain and suffering) can only be 'felt' by them, who have undergone such an 'inhuman' ordeal.. So, to all the sensible (and 'sensitive') human beings (irrespective of 'Muslims' 'Hindus' 'Christians' 'Jews'............) I ask: 'Does such a heinous crime (and the effect thereof) leave space for 'us' to comment upon the 'justification' (or otherwise) of abortion (in this case)'?
I (honestly) don't 'think' so! Take it easy,we are still friends remember. And 'we' of different opinion from yours are "sensitive" .Ever read "thou shalt not kill"? |
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Never mind the vicious nonsense of claiming that an embryo has a right to life. A piece of protoplasm has no rights and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable. . . . Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives. The task of raising a child is a tremendous, lifelong responsibility, which no one should undertake unwittingly or unwillingly. Procreation is not a duty: human beings are not stock-farm animals. For conscientious persons, an unwanted pregnancy is a disaster; to oppose its termination is to advocate sacrifice, not for the sake of anyone's benefit, but for the sake of misery qua misery, for the sake of forbidding happiness and fulfillment to living human beings. http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html like I said before,set that Infernal Book aside an think like a Human Being,instead like a programmed religious Robot! Things don't just "change". That is a living being at conception. Or in the longest run a "potential" person. |
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Take it easy,we are still friends remember. And 'we' of different opinion from yours are "sensitive" .Ever read "thou shalt not kill"?
Don't worry, 'Mate'! I have taken 'it' absolutely 'easy' There's nothing I find, worth 'quarreling' upon. You ought to understand that I simply expressed my 'view'. I mean that's what 'forums' are for! Isn't it?
I haven't read 'thou shalt not kill'! And most probably, I won't be (reading it) because I'm a man who's read 'very little' in life. I love 'observing more' and 'reading less'... You are 'most welcome' to have (& subsequently express) your own opinion. I wrote what I 'felt'. 'Differences' were; and 'will always be'... Keep smiling & shining! (No Hard Feelings  )
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Fri 05/08/15 10:00 AM
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214 of the girls Nigerian Army rescued fron Boko Haram Islamic Terrorists from their forest strong hold last week have been confirmed pregnant.Apparently from repeated rapes (not that I am surprised anyway). My question is considering the psychological consequences of this,both long and short term,can abortion be justified in this instance? Both muslims,christians and all, your view another aspect to this is the accountability of the perpetrator... it is also genetically his child... how involved should the man be in this issue, short term and long term consequences and implications? but i digress.. in my opinion to your question... are the long and short term psychological consequences the factor for justifying abortion ? if so, then yes, it is justifiable... as anyone can justify their actions in any way they choose... other aspects can also make this justifiable--financial, physical, political..etc.. if you think about it, capital punishment for the rapist is also justifiable in this respect. but then again, this is also in the same way as the boko haram thought/taught that it is justifiable to kidnap, rape and impregnate these teens... considering that this is placed in a religious forum, is it justifiable? generally speaking, i don't think any "true" philosophy/religion/belief will teach that one should take another's life... as these teaches a way of life that values life, per se... as opposed to prioritizing the quality of life... so in this sense, it becomes against abortion, regardless the situation of pregnancy.. that being said, i do not consider the fanaticism used by boko haram as anything "true"...it is just their sad excuse to use a religion to justify their own needs... should anyone besides the person in question decide on abortion? i think not. although family/society/government can be "burdened" with providing a moral compass and financial support for the person in question, it ultimately becomes a matter of personal conscience and faith in the long run, the real burden and accountability is on the person involved. what is more important for others to do is to be able to provide these girls comprehensive information and support with the decision they are about to make. that would include integrating personal circumstances and beliefs of the person involved. it is sad enough that these women are subjected to the horrors of being kidnapped, raped, likely brainwashed and threatened by these people...it becomes worse for them if in their reintroduction to society, they will be further victimized by the dictates of society, and cause them more inner conflict due to the ordeal they have been through. two wrongs do not make a right. the bible says not to kill, it also says not to judge. compassion is key. whether these girls are true practicing christians, or muslims or buddhist or hindu or jew, or whatever...or whether their religious affiliation is just arbitrary information...let their "gods/God" be their judge of whether they are right or wrong in their decision. if they give due priority to their faith, then they will decide based on their faith, and they will be accountable for their decision, regardless what either one is. |
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214 of the girls Nigerian Army rescued fron Boko Haram Islamic Terrorists from their forest strong hold last week have been confirmed pregnant.Apparently from repeated rapes (not that I am surprised anyway). My question is considering the psychological consequences of this,both long and short term,can abortion be justified in this instance? Both muslims,christians and all, your view A 'sensitive' human being (irrespective of 'gender' 'caste' 'creed' 'religion' 'community') would abstain from asking 'such' question in the very first place. A woman getting 'raped' is the most heinous act in the history of mankind. I feel 'very few' people in this world would ponder over 'whether abortion in this case, being justified OR not'; most people, would reflect upon the 'shame' that these 'rapists' inflict upon 'human-kind' in general. And 'Yes'; I respect the view of 'those' (here in Mingle), who have stated that 'it is NOT for us to decide whether abortion in this case is justified or not'.. Very true.. It is for 'them' (those 'hapless' women) to decide that.. The 'trauma' (mental pain and suffering) can only be 'felt' by them, who have undergone such an 'inhuman' ordeal.. So, to all the sensible (and 'sensitive') human beings (irrespective of 'Muslims' 'Hindus' 'Christians' 'Jews'............) I ask: 'Does such a heinous crime (and the effect thereof) leave space for 'us' to comment upon the 'justification' (or otherwise) of abortion (in this case)'?
I (honestly) don't 'think' so!
BTW,the word is REGARDLESS! 
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