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aren't those considered mythology? I don't know their origins, but sounds as if this Homer was a person who wrote fictional stories not that it couldn't have happened, like I said we don't truly KNOW what we didn't experience for ourselves,, but I do know that there is God and that his son died on the cross i consider the bible mythology... battle of troy was real, not sure that Achilles was a god tho... How do you know the battle of troy was real , were you there ? No , it was recorded by historians just like non-biblical histrians described jesus of Nazareth , yet for some reason ppl discount those historians , but take others as fact ? |
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aren't those considered mythology? I don't know their origins, but sounds as if this Homer was a person who wrote fictional stories not that it couldn't have happened, like I said we don't truly KNOW what we didn't experience for ourselves,, but I do know that there is God and that his son died on the cross i consider the bible mythology... battle of troy was real, not sure that Achilles was a god tho... How do you know the battle of troy was real , were you there ? No , it was recorded by historians just like non-biblical histrians described jesus of Nazareth , yet for some reason ppl discount those historians , but take others as fact ? when did i say Jesus wasn't real? |
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Ughhhhhh!!
If the only way you can argue your position essentially comes down to "because God/bible." Then just save your breath. Because SCIENCE. |
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the reason we shouldn't ban religion is
freedom of speech freedom of peaceful assembly and oh yeah,, wait for it freedom of religious expression there is no feasible way to legislate peoples faith or enforce such legislation,, and no way to prevent them from congregating without crossing a very dangerous line trying to combat the spread of values by imposing ones own to the exclusion of others is not a 'moral' thing to do,,whatever ones faith or lack of |
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the reason we shouldn't ban religion is freedom of speech freedom of peaceful assembly and oh yeah,, wait for it freedom of religious expression there is no feasible way to legislate peoples faith or enforce such legislation,, and no way to prevent them from congregating without crossing a very dangerous line trying to combat the spread of values by imposing ones own to the exclusion of others is not a 'moral' thing to do,,whatever ones faith or lack of Faith is actually possible without religion. No one is trying to destroy faith. The title of the thread regards banning religion (aka money hungry, less-than-ethical corporations that happen to get tax breaks, btw)... not faith. |
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the reason we shouldn't ban religion is freedom of speech freedom of peaceful assembly and oh yeah,, wait for it freedom of religious expression there is no feasible way to legislate peoples faith or enforce such legislation,, and no way to prevent them from congregating without crossing a very dangerous line trying to combat the spread of values by imposing ones own to the exclusion of others is not a 'moral' thing to do,,whatever ones faith or lack of Faith is actually possible without religion. No one is trying to destroy faith. The title of the thread regards banning religion (aka money hungry, less-than-ethical corporations that happen to get tax breaks, btw)... not faith. aka, personal choice where to spend money, where to spend time, who to spend time with, what to study ,,,,etc that's an attack on how many people reinforce their faith the way our knowledge is reinforced through schooling and study groups ,,,, |
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the reason we shouldn't ban religion is freedom of speech freedom of peaceful assembly and oh yeah,, wait for it freedom of religious expression there is no feasible way to legislate peoples faith or enforce such legislation,, and no way to prevent them from congregating without crossing a very dangerous line trying to combat the spread of values by imposing ones own to the exclusion of others is not a 'moral' thing to do,,whatever ones faith or lack of Faith is actually possible without religion. No one is trying to destroy faith. The title of the thread regards banning religion (aka money hungry, less-than-ethical corporations that happen to get tax breaks, btw)... not faith. aka, personal choice where to spend money, where to spend time, who to spend time with, what to study ,,,,etc that's an attack on how many people reinforce their faith the way our knowledge is reinforced through schooling and study groups ,,,, Too bad most of those glorified 'study groups' are so corrupt. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this debate. |
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Edited by
Th3Dv8
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Ughhhhhh!! If the only way you can argue your position essentially comes down to "because God/bible." Then just save your breath. Because SCIENCE. Archeologists have used the Bible to help them find Archeological sights etc as reliable information .I do not just say 'If i dont understand it therefore GOD did it nor do i or ever have taken the Bible on face value , i have picked it to bits from external sources , i have spent way to much time looking at different subjects and NOT accepting what the bible tells me , what i have found is when you labouriously spend time researching topics they allways seem to confirm what is there in black and white . I am not someone who accepts the Bible as a young child and i dont ask anybody to do that either ' faith ' comes from researching alternitives , looking at the 'evidence' we have not hypothesis or science that go's outside of 'cause and effect''testable' and thinking hard about simple logic ? I do not accept what scientists say about origin anymore than i accept what the bible says about jesus , i do the hard yards and spend time on historical evidence / forgeries / Early Rome ( i know so much about Ancient Rome now thanks to the bible -through external sources) In Short i spen every single day and have done for the last 25 years studying and looking at all possibilities for the big questions of :- (Yes i have a Life BUT if the bible and God are true it IS Priority # 1 )(All else is just going through the motions as the next person ) ( Im the type of person who cannot just live life / I HAVE to know to the best of my Ability ) " how did we get here " only two months ago i went to Adelaide UNI to hear a Talk from a Scientist 'John Lennox " who has debated Dawkins and Laurence Krauss Etc on the topic of " Cosmic chemistry " I do take things very seriously , you seem to presume i do . If you want to say Science , imo Science supports the Creation account ... The more Science is finding out the more my Faith in a creator is cemented , sorry if that offends you.. The Question of 'should we ban religion' Where do i sit ? Jesus overturned the money makers in the synagogue (church) saying do not turn my fathers house into a market .... I sit with him , i go to a non-denominational church to be with other christians , the truth is in The Bible not churches ..... Thats why when they do turn on Relgion it will be the POPE and the ROMAN CATHOLIC church which go's frist (babylon the great) in the bible ' The whore who sits on seven mountains( of Rome) her judgement is comming' Yup , God has Allready judged the church , did you know the Bible calls the church the 'bride of christ' 'true believers' whoever they are in any church will be gathered to be saved , those that follow CHRIST , Not the church ... ppl dont understand that the bible is anti-religious , the Catholic Church / The synagogue of Satan will be dealt with ... I am currently reading a book by John Lennox , Mathematician and have two more sitting here , i watch endless Science Documentaries , its all i watch actually ... I could give most scientsits a good conversation (Not Bragging) My Brother in-law is an organic chemist and he has no-idea of Broader Science , it boggles my mind ... I say do you know Richard Darkins ? NO , Laurence Krauss ? NO huh ? Stephen hawking ? Yes , thank god ... Why do i spend so much time on it ? I find it fascinating , so much to learn in so many fields and so little time , i love it ... I Collect Fossils and have allways been an enthusiastic Collector and Gold prospector , i love Geology and the list go's on 
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Edited by
Th3Dv8
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the reason we shouldn't ban religion is freedom of speech freedom of peaceful assembly and oh yeah,, wait for it freedom of religious expression there is no feasible way to legislate peoples faith or enforce such legislation,, and no way to prevent them from congregating without crossing a very dangerous line trying to combat the spread of values by imposing ones own to the exclusion of others is not a 'moral' thing to do,,whatever ones faith or lack of Faith is actually possible without religion. No one is trying to destroy faith. The title of the thread regards banning religion (aka money hungry, less-than-ethical corporations that happen to get tax breaks, btw)... not faith. I totally agree , Religion turns ppl away from GOD , yup sry gotta mention the Bible again  The comming Prophecy is that the world is going to turn on Religion to wipe it out , the Bible says 'God will put it into their minds/Governments to deal his blow on religion ) Satan is the Father of Deception and uses Religion to turn ppl Against God , this video shows the POPE and Catholic Church singing to Lucifer ' Their God ' Go's for 3 mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpVrtv2t-M Or this one with the throne with an upside down cross ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-y8jF25scU Catholics would of Course say its all to do with st-peter being crucified upside down ? Really everybody else seems to attatch it to Satan worship , AntiChrist , so begs the question why they would do it ... Along with the pedaphilia rumors within the vatican .. ' the whore that sits on the seven hills (why a whore?) that fornicates with the kings of the Earth ' Revelation 17:9-20 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." With a mighty voice he shouted: "'Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!' She has become a dwelling for demons and a haunt for every impure spirit:For all the nations have fallen because of the wine of her passionate immorality. The kings of the world have committed adultery with her. Because of her desires for extravagant luxury, the merchants of the world have grown rich."Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "'Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues:for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes. I long to see the Roman Church Fall as does GOD ... |
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aren't those considered mythology? I don't know their origins, but sounds as if this Homer was a person who wrote fictional stories not that it couldn't have happened, like I said we don't truly KNOW what we didn't experience for ourselves,, but I do know that there is God and that his son died on the cross i consider the bible mythology... battle of troy was real, not sure that Achilles was a god tho... How do you know the battle of troy was real , were you there ? No , it was recorded by historians just like non-biblical histrians described jesus of Nazareth , yet for some reason ppl discount those historians , but take others as fact ? ever heard of archeological evidence and Schliemann? |
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the reason we shouldn't ban religion is freedom of speech freedom of peaceful assembly and oh yeah,, wait for it freedom of religious expression there is no feasible way to legislate peoples faith or enforce such legislation,, and no way to prevent them from congregating without crossing a very dangerous line trying to combat the spread of values by imposing ones own to the exclusion of others is not a 'moral' thing to do,,whatever ones faith or lack of Faith is actually possible without religion. No one is trying to destroy faith. The title of the thread regards banning religion (aka money hungry, less-than-ethical corporations that happen to get tax breaks, btw)... not faith. I totally agree , Religion turns ppl away from GOD , yup sry gotta mention the Bible again The comming Prophecy is that the world is going to turn on Religion to wipe it out , the Bible says 'God will put it into their minds/Governments to deal his blow on religion ) Satan is the Father of Deception and uses Religion to turn ppl Against God , this video shows the POPE and Catholic Church singing to Lucifer ' Their God ' Go's for 3 mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpVrtv2t-M Or this one with the throne with an upside down cross ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-y8jF25scU Catholics would of Course say its all to do with st-peter being crucified upside down ? Really everybody else seems to attatch it to Satan worship , AntiChrist , so begs the question why they would do it ... Along with the pedaphilia rumors within the vatican .. ' the whore that sits on the seven hills (why a whore?) that fornicates with the kings of the Earth ' Revelation 17:9-20 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." With a mighty voice he shouted: "'Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!' She has become a dwelling for demons and a haunt for every impure spirit:For all the nations have fallen because of the wine of her passionate immorality. The kings of the world have committed adultery with her. Because of her desires for extravagant luxury, the merchants of the world have grown rich."Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "'Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues:for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes. I long to see the Roman Church Fall as does GOD ... Yep,plenty of Shrooms on Patmos,even these days! http://listverse.com/2014/09/08/10-theories-about-who-really-wrote-the-bible/ The traditional view that Jesus’s disciple John wrote the Book of Revelation was questioned as early as the third century. Christian writer Dionysus of Alexandria, using the critical methods still employed by modern scholars, spotted the difference between the elegant Greek of John’s gospel and the crudely ungrammatical prose of Revelation. The works could not have been written by the same person. Dionysus noted that the John of Revelation identifies himself in the work, while the John of the gospel does not. He argued that the two men simply shared the same name. Contemporary scholars have added their own insights into the problem. It is now theorized that the real author was a Jew who opposed the Pauline version of Christianity, with its Gentile elements and Torah-free salvation. The author calls a Pauline church in Smyrna a “synagogue of Satan” and a female leader of another in Thyatira “Jezebel.” In short, he was not someone we would call Christian today. In fact, Revelation might have been originally written even before Christianity. References to Jesus Christ would then have been inserted only later to Christianize the document. These are mostly clustered around chapters 1 and 22, with just a scattering elsewhere. Surprisingly, these verses can be removed without disturbing the structure and flow of the surrounding verses, keeping the meaning and sense of the text intact. This suggests that the original Book of Revelation had nothing at all to do with Jesus. |
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aren't those considered mythology? I don't know their origins, but sounds as if this Homer was a person who wrote fictional stories not that it couldn't have happened, like I said we don't truly KNOW what we didn't experience for ourselves,, but I do know that there is God and that his son died on the cross wasn't he that Doh-nut-Guy? |
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David Cameron and Barack Obama are both wimps. They haven't got the balls to come out and say that Islam is no good, instead they say it's the people that believe in it with all their hearts that are no good. Because let's face it, peaceful muslims don't really believe in Islam, they're like our protestants. A couple more generations down the line and they'll be atheists. Hah yes.. lets ban religion.do away with it..what a great thought. fanatics aside, what do you think keeps the world in order.. meaning what do you really think keeps people from going out and doing whatever the hell they feel like doing. what stops them from committing every conceivable crime, act or sin ( of any religion). Law?.. police.. no.. they would be the first things to go. It is that thought that people must atone for wrongs they have done to their higher power.. whatever that may be. That is what keep order in this world. So lets take that all away and see what happens. The wild west???.. the wild west would be a cub scout meeting compared to what would happen. total mayhem. worldwide chaos, totally out of control No. Stop it. Based on that perspective, all the Atheists and Agnostics are sociopathic murderers. People are capable of being good without needing a reward for good deeds. Frankly, I'd be more concerned about people who only do good IN ORDER to get a reward... Its Called a God given connscience ... ISIS and ISIL are TRUE Muslims ... The Crusaders were NOT true Christians neither is the pope ... Jesus condems acts of Violence the Quran Demands it ... About banning Religion ? The Bible predicts they will when the one world NWO government takes over , one world currency , one world Government , one world fuzzy new age world/state religion ALL others will be outlawed made to go underground , actually people will take the " mark of the beast " or be slaughtered , give up your Faith or die ... ISIS / ISIL is just propganda to get the world ready for when its outlawed , why do they give airtime to one muslim in my country Australia who killed 2 ppl ??? if they want it crushed ? That siege played ALL day on TV , excactly what the guy wanted . Its propaganda , Al-quada / ISIS / ISIL >>> next bogey man plz stand up ? The News is owned by the ruling Elite and they are getting you ready for their Totalitarian Rule ... An ALL out Attack on Christianity is comming soon  Meanwhile in THIS Galaxy! |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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the reason we shouldn't ban religion is freedom of speech freedom of peaceful assembly and oh yeah,, wait for it freedom of religious expression there is no feasible way to legislate peoples faith or enforce such legislation,, and no way to prevent them from congregating without crossing a very dangerous line trying to combat the spread of values by imposing ones own to the exclusion of others is not a 'moral' thing to do,,whatever ones faith or lack of Faith is actually possible without religion. No one is trying to destroy faith. The title of the thread regards banning religion (aka money hungry, less-than-ethical corporations that happen to get tax breaks, btw)... not faith. |
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A Single Selfless Act Of Kindness (Humanity), Is Justifiably Deemed To Be Far More Divine (Noble) Than A 1000 Hands (And Heads Bowed Down) Folded In Prayer! :-)
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Ughhhhhh!! If the only way you can argue your position essentially comes down to "because God/bible." Then just save your breath. Because SCIENCE. Archeologists have used the Bible to help them find Archeological sights etc as reliable information .I do not just say 'If i dont understand it therefore GOD did it nor do i or ever have taken the Bible on face value , i have picked it to bits from external sources , i have spent way to much time looking at different subjects and NOT accepting what the bible tells me , what i have found is when you labouriously spend time researching topics they allways seem to confirm what is there in black and white . I am not someone who accepts the Bible as a young child and i dont ask anybody to do that either ' faith ' comes from researching alternitives , looking at the 'evidence' we have not hypothesis or science that go's outside of 'cause and effect''testable' and thinking hard about simple logic ? I do not accept what scientists say about origin anymore than i accept what the bible says about jesus , i do the hard yards and spend time on historical evidence / forgeries / Early Rome ( i know so much about Ancient Rome now thanks to the bible -through external sources) In Short i spen every single day and have done for the last 25 years studying and looking at all possibilities for the big questions of :- (Yes i have a Life BUT if the bible and God are true it IS Priority # 1 )(All else is just going through the motions as the next person ) ( Im the type of person who cannot just live life / I HAVE to know to the best of my Ability ) " how did we get here " only two months ago i went to Adelaide UNI to hear a Talk from a Scientist 'John Lennox " who has debated Dawkins and Laurence Krauss Etc on the topic of " Cosmic chemistry " I do take things very seriously , you seem to presume i do . If you want to say Science , imo Science supports the Creation account ... The more Science is finding out the more my Faith in a creator is cemented , sorry if that offends you.. The Question of 'should we ban religion' Where do i sit ? Jesus overturned the money makers in the synagogue (church) saying do not turn my fathers house into a market .... I sit with him , i go to a non-denominational church to be with other christians , the truth is in The Bible not churches ..... Thats why when they do turn on Relgion it will be the POPE and the ROMAN CATHOLIC church which go's frist (babylon the great) in the bible ' The whore who sits on seven mountains( of Rome) her judgement is comming' Yup , God has Allready judged the church , did you know the Bible calls the church the 'bride of christ' 'true believers' whoever they are in any church will be gathered to be saved , those that follow CHRIST , Not the church ... ppl dont understand that the bible is anti-religious , the Catholic Church / The synagogue of Satan will be dealt with ... I am currently reading a book by John Lennox , Mathematician and have two more sitting here , i watch endless Science Documentaries , its all i watch actually ... I could give most scientsits a good conversation (Not Bragging) My Brother in-law is an organic chemist and he has no-idea of Broader Science , it boggles my mind ... I say do you know Richard Darkins ? NO , Laurence Krauss ? NO huh ? Stephen hawking ? Yes , thank god ... Why do i spend so much time on it ? I find it fascinating , so much to learn in so many fields and so little time , i love it ... I Collect Fossils and have allways been an enthusiastic Collector and Gold prospector , i love Geology and the list go's on Malarkey! Bet you love those 7'000yo Fossils! |
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Edited by
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********From Th3Dv8 on previous page;******** Its Called a God given connscience ... ISIS and ISIL are TRUE Muslims ... The Crusaders were NOT true Christians neither is the pope ... Jesus condems acts of Violence the Quran Demands it ... About banning Religion ? The Bible predicts they will when the one world NWO government takes over , one world currency , one world Government , one world fuzzy new age world/state religion ALL others will be outlawed made to go underground , actually people will take the " mark of the beast " or be slaughtered , give up your Faith or die ... ISIS / ISIL is just propganda to get the world ready for when its outlawed , why do they give airtime to one muslim in my country Australia who killed 2 ppl ??? if they want it crushed ? That siege played ALL day on TV , excactly what the guy wanted . Its propaganda , Al-quada / ISIS / ISIL >>> next bogey man plz stand up ? The News is owned by the ruling Elite and they are getting you ready for their Totalitarian Rule ... An ALL out Attack on Christianity is comming soon *********Then I wrote;******** I'm curious Th3Dv8, Where has 'your' specific brand or denomination of Christianity been for the last 17 hundred years? (Maybe, that's too long) Where has 'your' specific brand or denomination of Christianity been for the last mere thousand years? (Maybe, that's still too long) Where has 'your' specific brand or denomination of Christianity been for the last little fraction of the past 500 years? (Maybe, the highly enlightened members of 'your' church, haven't been around as long as that either) Last of all... Where were all the Faithful, through the ages, pervious to 'your' enlightened views on Christianity? Th3Dv8, I'm still waiting for a reply. 
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********From Th3Dv8 on previous page;******** Its Called a God given connscience ... ISIS and ISIL are TRUE Muslims ... The Crusaders were NOT true Christians neither is the pope ... Jesus condems acts of Violence the Quran Demands it ... About banning Religion ? The Bible predicts they will when the one world NWO government takes over , one world currency , one world Government , one world fuzzy new age world/state religion ALL others will be outlawed made to go underground , actually people will take the " mark of the beast " or be slaughtered , give up your Faith or die ... ISIS / ISIL is just propganda to get the world ready for when its outlawed , why do they give airtime to one muslim in my country Australia who killed 2 ppl ??? if they want it crushed ? That siege played ALL day on TV , excactly what the guy wanted . Its propaganda , Al-quada / ISIS / ISIL >>> next bogey man plz stand up ? The News is owned by the ruling Elite and they are getting you ready for their Totalitarian Rule ... An ALL out Attack on Christianity is comming soon *********Then I wrote;******** I'm curious Th3Dv8, Where has 'your' specific brand or denomination of Christianity been for the last 17 hundred years? (Maybe, that's too long) Where has 'your' specific brand or denomination of Christianity been for the last mere thousand years? (Maybe, that's still too long) Where has 'your' specific brand or denomination of Christianity been for the last little fraction of the past 500 years? (Maybe, the highly enlightened members of 'your' church, haven't been around as long as that either) Last of all... Where were all the Faithful, through the ages, pervious to 'your' enlightened views on Christianity? lol , from the bible , if you knew it you wouldnt be asking me ? I dont follow church teachings , i look for wisdom and common ground from various pastors but , the bible is my source of information and study of external sources ... If you are talking about the Quran stuff , its the plain truth , iSlam is NOT a religion of peace , they have first as the Quran says , infilitrated(society)Befriend(their Enemy/country) THEN demand sharia law or riot and call for the beheading of ALL who oppose ISLAM ... That is the TRUTH in the Quran , lets not sugar coat it , it is what it is , derogatory towards woman and a religion which has NO outside sources of reference (the Quran is self referencing) , take woman for sex slaves it is a religion that hasnt emerged from the dark ages .Fact sorry. What they have got in the quran was copied from the bible with mahumamad adding his bit , he commited atrocities against the jews and hated christians alike, nothing has changed . ISIS is TRUE ISLAM , them crusifying Christians today is what they are commanded to do in the quran , KILL ALL NON-MUSLIMS ... I wouldnt be at all surprized if the last anti-christ isnt a MUSLIM . A Muslim opened the house of congres with prayer not long ago , As obama said ' America is no longer a christian Nation...' Watch this space , muslim extremists ? Dunno about extremists from what ive read , the Quran demands it... |
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no need to ban anything!
 http://www.alternet.org/belief/shocking-number-americans-under-30-have-no-religion-country-going-change A Shocking Number of Americans Under 30 Have No Religion — This Country Is Going to Change Americans are abandoning religion in droves. |
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