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morals wouldn't disappear but the world would change, not for the better for all the 'war' that people like to refer to their are many more charitable and gracious and beautiful actions inspired by 'religious' lessons as well whether we have religion or not, we will have people who do terrible things,, remove religion(Which is kind of impossible) and they will just find something else to scapegoat for their interests and choices that harm others,,, I'm not sure it would be for the worse though. No one can say for sure. It is impossible to know that. I wish that we could start a dilineation (sp?) between 'faith' and 'religion.' Faith is plenty good and healthy. For those honest with it, great for them. Awesome. Keep on keeping on... Religion, though? Love the massively elaborate churches you all buy with those tax-free donations... so, all the poor are fed, then, right? No? Oh... oops? church is to faith what school is to learning its a place for people to commune TOGETHER over shared values, ideas, lessons,,,etc,,, and it is not incumbent to make sure ALL poor are fed,, we can only do our best to feed those we can,,, |
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morals wouldn't disappear but the world would change, not for the better for all the 'war' that people like to refer to their are many more charitable and gracious and beautiful actions inspired by 'religious' lessons as well whether we have religion or not, we will have people who do terrible things,, remove religion(Which is kind of impossible) and they will just find something else to scapegoat for their interests and choices that harm others,,, why are religious people harming anyone? don't they go to hell for that? (cept muslims, they get a bunch of virgins in a special room in heaven) because they were born HUMAN, and humans harm humans I don't think much about Hell, those answers would be best found in a Bible if we are attempting to live a life Pleasing to God, we will not harm others intentionally not just humans, all animals fight... for food, mating, territory... god or not, we will always find a reason to fight... i mean, we haven't stopped fighting with religion, have we?... if your living your life to please "god", sounds like a sad existence... |
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morals wouldn't disappear but the world would change, not for the better for all the 'war' that people like to refer to their are many more charitable and gracious and beautiful actions inspired by 'religious' lessons as well whether we have religion or not, we will have people who do terrible things,, remove religion(Which is kind of impossible) and they will just find something else to scapegoat for their interests and choices that harm others,,, I'm not sure it would be for the worse though. No one can say for sure. It is impossible to know that. I wish that we could start a dilineation (sp?) between 'faith' and 'religion.' Faith is plenty good and healthy. For those honest with it, great for them. Awesome. Keep on keeping on... Religion, though? Love the massively elaborate churches you all buy with those tax-free donations... so, all the poor are fed, then, right? No? Oh... oops? church is to faith what school is to learning its a place for people to commune TOGETHER over shared values, ideas, lessons,,,etc,,, and it is not incumbent to make sure ALL poor are fed,, we can only do our best to feed those we can,,, I think that's a tad over simplified. People from different alma maters generally don't immediately hold a discriminatory perspective over/against each other. And all schools generally teach the same things (emphasis on generally). Religions, tech vastly varying perspectives that are usually not very accepting of alternative views. Religion divides. Faith does not (have to). |
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morals wouldn't disappear but the world would change, not for the better for all the 'war' that people like to refer to their are many more charitable and gracious and beautiful actions inspired by 'religious' lessons as well whether we have religion or not, we will have people who do terrible things,, remove religion(Which is kind of impossible) and they will just find something else to scapegoat for their interests and choices that harm others,,, why are religious people harming anyone? don't they go to hell for that? (cept muslims, they get a bunch of virgins in a special room in heaven) because they were born HUMAN, and humans harm humans I don't think much about Hell, those answers would be best found in a Bible if we are attempting to live a life Pleasing to God, we will not harm others intentionally not just humans, all animals fight... for food, mating, territory... god or not, we will always find a reason to fight... i mean, we haven't stopped fighting with religion, have we?... if your living your life to please "god", sounds like a sad existence... And terrifying!! How do they know they're serving the right God? What if they understood the rules wrong. What if, upon your death bed, you're faced with the horrible fear that he WON'T be happy with you!? ::gasp!!:: Not for me. I'm happy. I've made mistakes and learned from them. I will pass when my time comes being pleased with the life I've led, and have no regrets or fears. |
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... and it is not incumbent to make sure ALL poor are fed,, we can only do our best to feed those we can,,, The Tanakh (a.k.a. Old Testament) teaches the opposite. It tells us that the tithe was established in order to make sure that people trapped in physical poverty had enough food for survival. So, avamari2 has a valid point. |
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morals wouldn't disappear but the world would change, not for the better for all the 'war' that people like to refer to their are many more charitable and gracious and beautiful actions inspired by 'religious' lessons as well whether we have religion or not, we will have people who do terrible things,, remove religion(Which is kind of impossible) and they will just find something else to scapegoat for their interests and choices that harm others,,, why are religious people harming anyone? don't they go to hell for that? (cept muslims, they get a bunch of virgins in a special room in heaven) because they were born HUMAN, and humans harm humans I don't think much about Hell, those answers would be best found in a Bible if we are attempting to live a life Pleasing to God, we will not harm others intentionally not just humans, all animals fight... for food, mating, territory... god or not, we will always find a reason to fight... i mean, we haven't stopped fighting with religion, have we?... if your living your life to please "god", sounds like a sad existence... And terrifying!! How do they know they're serving the right God? What if they understood the rules wrong. What if, upon your death bed, you're faced with the horrible fear that he WON'T be happy with you!? ::gasp!!:: Not for me. I'm happy. I've made mistakes and learned from them. I will pass when my time comes being pleased with the life I've led, and have no regrets or fears. lol, i hate when i pray to the wrong god... but i figure no matter what, i live my life as per what my values say to, right or wrong to whatever god there might be... if it's not happy, oh well... |
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morals wouldn't disappear but the world would change, not for the better for all the 'war' that people like to refer to their are many more charitable and gracious and beautiful actions inspired by 'religious' lessons as well whether we have religion or not, we will have people who do terrible things,, remove religion(Which is kind of impossible) and they will just find something else to scapegoat for their interests and choices that harm others,,, I'm not sure it would be for the worse though. No one can say for sure. It is impossible to know that. I wish that we could start a dilineation (sp?) between 'faith' and 'religion.' Faith is plenty good and healthy. For those honest with it, great for them. Awesome. Keep on keeping on... Religion, though? Love the massively elaborate churches you all buy with those tax-free donations... so, all the poor are fed, then, right? No? Oh... oops? church is to faith what school is to learning its a place for people to commune TOGETHER over shared values, ideas, lessons,,,etc,,, and it is not incumbent to make sure ALL poor are fed,, we can only do our best to feed those we can,,, I think that's a tad over simplified. People from different alma maters generally don't immediately hold a discriminatory perspective over/against each other. And all schools generally teach the same things (emphasis on generally). Religions, tech vastly varying perspectives that are usually not very accepting of alternative views. Religion divides. Faith does not (have to). not true,, schools have a general curriculum based upon the STATE they are in and they vary just as denominations vary values are taught in schools just like religions,, expectations are set, just like in religion schools are not accepting of alternative views, that's why they set a 'curriculum' its not that different religion doesn't divide,, people choose to segregate people of similar faith and values share a 'religious' teaching,,,, |
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morals wouldn't disappear but the world would change, not for the better for all the 'war' that people like to refer to their are many more charitable and gracious and beautiful actions inspired by 'religious' lessons as well whether we have religion or not, we will have people who do terrible things,, remove religion(Which is kind of impossible) and they will just find something else to scapegoat for their interests and choices that harm others,,, why are religious people harming anyone? don't they go to hell for that? (cept muslims, they get a bunch of virgins in a special room in heaven) because they were born HUMAN, and humans harm humans I don't think much about Hell, those answers would be best found in a Bible if we are attempting to live a life Pleasing to God, we will not harm others intentionally not just humans, all animals fight... for food, mating, territory... god or not, we will always find a reason to fight... i mean, we haven't stopped fighting with religion, have we?... if your living your life to please "god", sounds like a sad existence... only if one cant be pleased while pleasing God I live my life pleased when I make my family proud why wouldn't I also be pleased at pleasing God? |
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... and it is not incumbent to make sure ALL poor are fed,, we can only do our best to feed those we can,,, The Tanakh (a.k.a. Old Testament) teaches the opposite. It tells us that the tithe was established in order to make sure that people trapped in physical poverty had enough food for survival. So, avamari2 has a valid point. did it say that ALL people would be fed? did it specify a set number or a general 'people' ? |
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morals wouldn't disappear but the world would change, not for the better for all the 'war' that people like to refer to their are many more charitable and gracious and beautiful actions inspired by 'religious' lessons as well whether we have religion or not, we will have people who do terrible things,, remove religion(Which is kind of impossible) and they will just find something else to scapegoat for their interests and choices that harm others,,, why are religious people harming anyone? don't they go to hell for that? (cept muslims, they get a bunch of virgins in a special room in heaven) because they were born HUMAN, and humans harm humans I don't think much about Hell, those answers would be best found in a Bible if we are attempting to live a life Pleasing to God, we will not harm others intentionally not just humans, all animals fight... for food, mating, territory... god or not, we will always find a reason to fight... i mean, we haven't stopped fighting with religion, have we?... if your living your life to please "god", sounds like a sad existence... only if one cant be pleased while pleasing God I live my life pleased when I make my family proud why wouldn't I also be pleased at pleasing God? because your family is there, real and touchable, never a doubt whether they exist... |
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"The greatest hypocrites you'll ever know, always belong to the church of your religious affiliation."------ Benjamin Franklin
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morals wouldn't disappear but the world would change, not for the better for all the 'war' that people like to refer to their are many more charitable and gracious and beautiful actions inspired by 'religious' lessons as well whether we have religion or not, we will have people who do terrible things,, remove religion(Which is kind of impossible) and they will just find something else to scapegoat for their interests and choices that harm others,,, why are religious people harming anyone? don't they go to hell for that? (cept muslims, they get a bunch of virgins in a special room in heaven) because they were born HUMAN, and humans harm humans I don't think much about Hell, those answers would be best found in a Bible if we are attempting to live a life Pleasing to God, we will not harm others intentionally not just humans, all animals fight... for food, mating, territory... god or not, we will always find a reason to fight... i mean, we haven't stopped fighting with religion, have we?... if your living your life to please "god", sounds like a sad existence... only if one cant be pleased while pleasing God I live my life pleased when I make my family proud why wouldn't I also be pleased at pleasing God? because your family is there, real and touchable, never a doubt whether they exist... and I have no doubts that an intelligent creator exists either I have no doubt that there are molecules,, I am told they are here, but I cant see them my mortal vessel were my parents and I am proud to make them proud but my spiritual creator is God, and I am likewise proud to accept and live with faith in his word |
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... and it is not incumbent to make sure ALL poor are fed,, we can only do our best to feed those we can,,, The Tanakh (a.k.a. Old Testament) teaches the opposite. It tells us that the tithe was established in order to make sure that people trapped in physical poverty had enough food for survival. So, avamari2 has a valid point. did it say that ALL people would be fed? did it specify a set number or a general 'people' ? Lol... Maybe just the reeeeeaaaallly hungry ones... but lets save a couple billion for our gawdy churches though. I'm not really going to argue anymore. I'd be spending far more time pointing out the basic flaws in reasoning. It really is a pity that there has yet to be a really healthy, logical debate on this topic. I'd personally be very interested in being involved. I love this stuff. It fires me up. I am also not ignorant about differences btwn religions and differences btwn schools. I'm a vet. I've got Catholics and Mormons in my family. My ex was a Jehovah Witness (who now claims non-denom). My daughter has attended 8 schools in 5 years... spanning three states and two countries. Trust me... I know, and I can still say your argument is flawed. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 01/19/15 08:30 PM
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believe what you want
I am mother to two, and been a Christian all my life there is no flaw,, people just perceive based on their own biases schools teach a document called the constitution they teach about a hierarchy called 'government and laws' my religion taught me from a book called the bible it taught me of a hierarchy called 'morals' when it comes to expected values and standards,, they aren't exclusive to 'religion' wars have been fought for people to oppress and take power, people have been killed in the name of 'founding' own nations based upon a collective set of values and standards , people have died over this allegiance to their ideals, whether they be 'blamed' on religion or nationalism/patriotism whether the ideal is rooted in a religion or patriotism, it is still a prerogative that no one has the right to take away from anyone |
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I know MsH would like to beat me up...a lot.
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nah, I'm totally non violent
although I imagine people would resort to violence to try to ban religion,,,, |
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How unbiased would a God of justice be that is preoccupied with nationalism and patriotism?
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I don't know such a God
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An excellent answer.
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David Cameron and Barack Obama are both wimps. They haven't got the balls to come out and say that Islam is no good, instead they say it's the people that believe in it with all their hearts that are no good. Because let's face it, peaceful muslims don't really believe in Islam, they're like our protestants. A couple more generations down the line and they'll be atheists. Hah yes.. lets ban religion.do away with it..what a great thought. fanatics aside, what do you think keeps the world in order.. meaning what do you really think keeps people from going out and doing whatever the hell they feel like doing. what stops them from committing every conceivable crime, act or sin ( of any religion). Law?.. police.. no.. they would be the first things to go. It is that thought that people must atone for wrongs they have done to their higher power.. whatever that may be. That is what keep order in this world. So lets take that all away and see what happens. The wild west???.. the wild west would be a cub scout meeting compared to what would happen. total mayhem. worldwide chaos, totally out of control No. Stop it. Based on that perspective, all the Atheists and Agnostics are sociopathic murderers. People are capable of being good without needing a reward for good deeds. Frankly, I'd be more concerned about people who only do good IN ORDER to get a reward... Really? If it were proven tomorrow that there is in fact no God(s) or higher power of any sort to eventually answer to.. an this had to be accepted by all.. that in fact when you die.. you do just that.. and there is no after life.. or second calling... no reckoning,basically that's it.. your dust. you would see a total change in all of civilization... and it would not be pretty. I'm Catholic.. if we were to chuck the 10 commandments, which by this time would have been proven to be BS. and all other religions were chucking their versions, as religion no longer exist. what effect would that have on civilization. Do you really think people would continue to follow rules that no longer carry any moral weight. That they would continue to lead a honest "sin" free life without the faith they were lead to believe they had?. Their faith would now be in who?.. in what?...mankind? We are raised to be "God fearing people".. take God (or any God like entity) out of the equation.. and who do you then fear. The only other thing to fear would be mankind Current atheists ( who believe in no Gods.. no higher power of any type) comply a very small percentage of the overall population. A population driven by religions and who's core laws are derived from religious believes throw that all out the window and see what happens Also, curious: would you teach your children to be good so that they get a reward, or because it's the right thing to do. I teach dogs to be good and they get a treat. I would hope that as humans, we're slightly more evolved than that. But thanks for degrading the value of a good dead. Apparently intrinsic motivation is not a concept that you're familiar with. Too bad, cause it's the BEST! CHEERS!! Yes we were taught what was right and wrong.. all of us. By our parents and them from their parents. So on and so on. And all from a cornerstone of religion. That is where the basic "rules" come from.. they differ per religion, but that is where they originated. Take that cornerstone away and see how fast the foundation cracks and crumbles. Then see just how mankind evolves... Cheers!!!! |
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