it wasn't sidestepping,, it was a leading question,, like

'when did you stop beating your wife?'

because the question presumes something true that isn't relevant to the point


the question of why we 'need' things, is not relevant to whether things should be banned

we have lots of things in the modern world we don't 'need',, that is not justification to ban them


we are postured and trained from birth to judge 'right and wrong'

its naivity to believe 'religion' is the culprit

we learn from the experiences of others and from society the standards that dictate 'right and wrong',,,,whether we are part of a 'religious' church/family,, or not

I�m sorry Th, but I can�t share your view. These atheists, as you say, can be first in Heaven long before me or you - if we only get there. I belive that God sees our hearts and I belive He knows the best who is pure and honest. And atheists can be much more pure than belivers. Noone has right to judge and make other people smaller then oneself. My best friend is atheist who doesn�t belive in anything after this life but his behaviour and heart is much purer than those of many belivers.

And I think I don�t convince anybody. Every person has his own path which is to be respected. Just shared my point of view and tried to answer some questions.

Whatever somebody wants to belive - it�s his sacred right. God gives us free will. Who are we to take it from others?

But I shall be a little naughty and still again Davidben�s:

Peace

You cannot ban something that has always been the best way to control the masses.

maybe they found a better way now...

yea, you still answered nothing...

technology and media?...lol

The bible says , No one comes to the father but by me ' and 'if your not with me you against me '

It is true God sees the Heart , but we have people on here saying ALL christians are weirdos and have their way with alter boys ?

That also if your not as smart as a physicist doesnt mean theres a GOD , they are clearly belitling us , i dont put myself above anybody , but i defend GOD ....I dont wish to debate people that clearly think we are thick pedaphiles , and posting meme's suggesting the above , it is a waste of precious time , what do you hope to achieve ? Knowledge ? its everywhere ...There will come a time when the bible says ' one will be taken the other left ' GOD knows who they are , so your Atheist friend has a mind of her/his own and wil have to answer to GOD without you or to you , that has to be something you may need to accept .

' If they are not with us they are against us ' and the bible says 'mother will hand son over to death and a brother a brother over to death ' Things will get that bad that ALL Atheists will Hate christians , again do you know the bible ?

'the harvest is ripe and he will thrust in his sickle'

you do know the scripture ' what fellowship does rightesnous have with unrightesnous and ligt with dark ' ? if you think there is you are in danger .

No matter how 'good' atheists are they have rejected 'christ' that is when instead of back and forth debate its best to leave it ....
' if they reject jesus there is no payment for sin ' they are Satans .

You will find if you do it long enough it will distract you from your 'own path' and that day be suddenly upon you as a snare ...

I trust that GOD is pure LOVE and pure JUSTICE , he can also read forums and see's the heart ....mighymoe believes in Aliens before GOD , why is that ? Becuase he has swallowed whole the indoctrination of School Science ' Dinosaurs became extinct 65 million yrs ago becuase science says so , so i will parrot it on to others '

That is not personal discovery that is blind faith and indoctrination .

If you think you have the strength to keep the battle going and if you think you are helping ' keep going ' i have done this far to often , but i do question your knowledge of GOD and the bible ?

There is a darkness comming(here) upon the Earth im just saying 'watch your own faith' first ...

The time for seperation of ppl is nearly complete , again i go back to your knowledge of the bible ?

Spend your time wisely ...

Thats all i have to say here , i,ll leave it to you's other christians if you want to continue the debate against non-believers.

signing off , no more from me continue .............................

so, am i spited with gods wrath because i believe in science? your the one getting your panties in wad, because some don't believe in "your" god? same with all religious people, getting all but-hurt because someone has a different opinion...


but i guess you forget what your duty is as a christian, is to spread jesus's word, so does getting mad and quiting, then telling other's not to "spread the word" is what your man god wants? i see faith is a frail thing here.. you are talking bad about muslims, but yet you have the same "I'm right" attitude i see in the fanatical muslims...

and you wonder why some people can't grasp religion...

lol, best answer yet!

im not the one crusifying Christians , iSlam is .

My duty as a christian is to LOVE god with all my heart and others as myself.
My duty isnt to save ppl , only Christ can do that and i cannot accept christ for other , i am (my duty) is to give a reply for those that require a reason for my faith , thats it , and tell the ggod news to those that are willing to hear , i am not required to repeat my stance or go into endless debate when ppl clearly have decided upon there view ....

If you are agnostic friendly debate can continue if you are Atheist , you have made you decision probably based on misinformation or unanswered questions which im happy to continue talking , but when bellitling begins its time to pack up the tent and move on , there is alot of people that need my attention , and im looking for pppl who want to know what is happening in the world BEFORE its to late ...

Im not going to expend my energy when God will pick up the slack , i have done what i can in discussion with you , now GOD knows your heart regardless of what you post here , from what i gleen from your posts , i think you are a genuine , nice guy who has serious reservations about religion as i have and i have addressed those , i think you are misinformed about the bible and also science and that is not having a go at you , that is the nature of this world ....

The truth is elusive , so i dont know what else to say moe , except i will mention you in my prayer tonight and hope oneday you find peace with GOD ..

GOD has said there is NO EXCUSE for non-belief not me , you will have to explain to GOD when he asks you :

" Excactly how did you think you got here ? "

Listening to Satans Scientsits aint going to Cut it , this whole world system is a LIE , Gods patience is allmost up and i,ve learnt to 'let go' I Love you mate and i havent met you , i,d love for you to be in the next world , where we could meet in GODS world shake hands and shake of the deluded science that has misled the world , lets hope GOD makes that happen , but i see no reason for me to hang here , i have spent 25 yrs studying this subject intensly ...

One thing that stands out is what ppl define as Science ?

We have been lied to , you seem to be on this religous topic everyday , so im not stupid i know you are keenly interested and equally blinded by 'our great scientsits' For me that is a hard shell to break , its indoctrinated from 5 yrs old ............

so, why are you so mad? i can't have a different opinion? your right, i'm wrong, ok, whatever... does that make you happy?

you believe in one myth, i believe in another... but your right, i'm wrong...


and what is it to you if i have to explain myself to god? are you going to watch it? is it something that you feel wrongs you in some way?

only belittling being done is in your mind, no where else.... it's called opinions, and we all have them...

see Edited post above im not mad , im frustrated that Satan has ppl in his grip ...You call it myth i call it truth

It is part of being christian , knowing whats comming and knowing Satan will have some ppl Die with him , when the alternative is Eternal life on a Paradise Earth ...

Its called LOVE , i hate this world and the way its decieved ppl ..

I hate whats comming , the only good news is GOD will step in , i hate whats comming because of ppl like you moe and ppl like my family
who do not know Christ ...

Christians atm are grieving for whats to come ...

if it is coming, wouldn't that mean it's out of our hands either way? if you know a tidal wave is coming, there's nothing we can do to stop it, so why worry about it? thats just how i look at things...

when are we not deceived? i don't care if/if not there's a devil with evil plans, I'm just live my life till i die, since we are all going to die at some point anyway... and there is no way around that, so I'm not gunna worry about god, the devil, the good or evil plans either might have, because no matter what, i cannot do anything about either of them...

Thats the difference between me and you , you live for now , i live for eternity ...

If GOD is real you are missing the whole point of life and living ...

If Naturalism is Real you are living the best way i guess and maybe im missing out ?

The fact that we are here with morals and a concience with the evidence i,ve looked at leads me to undoubtably know GOD is real , which means 'this' life is the hiccup SATAN created at the start ...

There is a purpose to life and imo its not just a mere 70 yrs of struggle , it is to find GOD ...

I wish/hope that you find GOD oneday , i love you as a brother without knowing you and can only hope to see you in the next world , where GOD will rule and you will know ALL things as GOD intends .

NWO communism rising .

ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT

PPL will then pray for religion .

funny you say one world - look at whats on the side of the popes plane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyAooTT5_Eo&x-yt-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534

Once I asked one priest (I do like extreme examples sometimes): what about canibals? Are they predicted to go to hell just because they were born and raised in their enviroment? Is that justiceful? Fair? He said: it�s about conscience. If we do the best we can with knowledge we have we�re not in sin. Just when we ignore our conscience and do things we know they are not right. That�s something that leads me. And helps me not to be judgemental.
Yes, Jesus said "Noone comes to Father but by me". And also said: "I am the Truth, Path and Life" And there is also one another saying:

Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

These two commandments can�t be divided, they are as one, each equal to other. We can�t love God if we have not love for people, we love Him through them. And everything is in that. Like in the story about Samaritan:
Luke 10:25-37New International Version (NIV)

The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”


Samaritans didn�t have the same faith as Jews, as a matter of fact they were despised by them. But Jesus showed here what is important without any barriers of faith, nation, race. With Him is the one who does good, whoever it is.
And Jews (Levit and priest) might belong to chosen people but they were against Him.
As much from me.

I tend to agree with the bible verse that some people allthough not 'knowing' GOD have gods law written on their hearts , in that they do good ...

But the bible says , works without faith is dead ?

I know that GOD is love and wants NOBODY to perish , that is why what is comming is going to shake these ppl to 'wake up'

What is comming it will be unmistakable that The Bible is true .
AND we either accept the 'mark of the beast' or Die ...

By accepting the mark of the beast you will 'knowingly'(as they will tell you )have to renounce Jesus Christ ....

Moe i couldnt load that vid , but googled it , it is what i expected , the POPE IS the false prophet of the last days predicted in the Bible ...

What im trying to get across is this was predicted from the beginning of time , that shows GOD is real and knows the END from the beginning ....(and we are being kept in the dark by Satans world)

2 Cor 4:4

"Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God."


Jesus said ' im telling you these things so that when they happen you will see and know that i am who i say i am "

This will happen axcactly in the order of last days prophecy , we are in for a hell of a bumpy ride.

https://lorrab.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/rome-one-world-one-religion-one-pope-final-rise-of-holy-roman-catholic-empire/

Yes 'one world ' on the plane , this ONE world Government run/ruled by the last Anti-CHrist Lucifer himself will make it sound like a time of unity and love finally ...those opposed to it are just plain haters ?

All religion united and mankind finally working together for peace and harmony , saving the planet hand in hand ?

Aghh the deception , this will be the biggest con in history and this Lucifarian Government will then beging global genocide , once we have given our freedoms away for 'global security' will will be devoured by this beast we have (most have) pledged alliegence to .

and ppl worldwide will be fooled and of course turn on US Christian haters , becuase Satan knows we are the only ones that know whats really going on , he will try to silence us then he will have is way with you

Then as the bible says and i have said , by the time you,s realize Satan has decieved you it will be to late to turn to Christ ...

Armageddon will then be here , a time i wish not to speak of ...

People want proof of GOD ?

Armageddon will show you some supernatural stuff , unbeleivable , allthough hollywood also run by the illumnati has been desensitising the world for catastophe for awhile now , it will be alot like what you saw in the 2012 movie but worse

Wake up and Live

why would one think, so feel, so say, so write, such fake lie's, as real, when one has no such real feelings within it self...

and hence, why such fake "Christians", who voodoo them self that they love all others, shall be extincted by the new global order of true peace and equal of all.