Topic: Understanding out of wedlock statistics
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Wed 08/14/13 08:03 PM





The rate of irresponsible births still exceeds the resources to support them.

Competence testing. That would weed out those who could not responsibly support kids.

If they test to where, one day, they could independently support kids, mandatory BC.

Test and test shows they have a low percent rate to advance to the point of independently support a child, recommend sterilization.

Poverty decreases.


again, slowly

POVERTY does not rise and fall upon whether people have a ring on their finger when they give child birth

and

no one is going to allow someone else to decide what type of 'competency' should be mandated for the very NATURAL right to have a family,,,,,,


resources aren't based upon RATES but upon numbers, and we have not the RESOURCES to keep people out of poverty,, whatever the oow rates are

evidenced by the FACT that although there are FEWERE NUMBERS of those to feed,, the poverty rates are still troublesome


,,,,

the simple lesson of the op and then I am done,, , the simple point, that IM sure those looking to scapegoat will continue talking their way around


RISING NUMBER OF OOW BIRTHRATES, is NOT, SYNONYMOUS WITH MORE CHILDREN BEING BORN TO UNWED MOTHERS


or with UNWED MOTHERS HAVING RISING LEVELS OF IRRESPONSIBILITY,,,

...plain and simple


now carry on with the fun of explaining how poverty is primarily the result of whether women are in a marriage when they give birth,,,,

and if only more of them would have that ring on their finger when they give birth,, poverty rates would decline

cause that's ABSOLUTELY LOGICAL,,,,





laugh


Does that mean I get to have the last word?bigsmile

"Statistics" prove that poverty levels in some demographics do rise when unwed women choose to have and keep babies...Some of those areas include single white mothers, single black mothers, single hispanic mothers, single asian mothers, and children of single white, black, hispanic,and asian mothers...Out-of-wedlock childbearing is one of the biggest causes of poverty among women and children...It's not new and it is real....And Will is right, the rate of irresponsible births does exceed the resources needed to support them...Two obvious reasons are boomers retiring and inflation levels that exceed income levels...The money pit is dry in spite of the fact that blue color America continues to take responsibility for feeding, housing, and clothing the children born to irresponsible unwed women who breed with irresponsible men...Seriously...


Guess notohwell


Someone once said "We hold these truths to be self evident."

:wink:


I totally agree with Leigh on this....middle america is tired of supporting out of wedlock births and there are out of wedlock births in all race categories so it;s not just an urban thing or a racial thang

I do admire single parents who work hard and try to support themselves as best they can and there are a lot who do, and many who did not have kids just to go on a check.....some were married and some made a one time mistake. some - a few- were also victims of incest and rape

I see willing2 is still advocating not holding men responsible for their behavior....fortunately the law does nto agree

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Thu 08/15/13 02:59 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 08/15/13 03:00 AM
middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well

how are women to predict whether their partner will be 'responsible' nine months later or not?



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Thu 08/15/13 04:18 AM
Not true, ms sweet.
Men who help knock up a gal should be supporting the child and in it's life.
The courts should give the kid to the father if the father can be a better provider.

However, like the women claim, it's their body. They should either do the contraceptives or make sure the dude is bagged.

Bottom dwellers like the Jerry Springer examples need mandatory Birth Control.


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Thu 08/15/13 04:21 AM

middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well

how are women to predict whether their partner will be 'responsible' nine months later or not?





If you don't know the person you're sleeping with well enough to "predict" what kind of father he would be, don't breed with him...Also, responsible men and women don't bring children into the world based on "predictions" about their ability to afford them....

While you're putting down middle class America, keep this FACT in mind, they are the majority "contributors" to the social programs that fund irresponsible lifestyle choices....

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Thu 08/15/13 04:44 AM
Yep.
And those contributing to those generous social programs should be the only ones allowed to vote on how the country is run.

Gibsmedats are like crabs in a bushel basket.
When one tries to escape by climbing out the rest pull it back down.

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Thu 08/15/13 09:31 AM


middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well

how are women to predict whether their partner will be 'responsible' nine months later or not?





If you don't know the person you're sleeping with well enough to "predict" what kind of father he would be, don't breed with him...Also, responsible men and women don't bring children into the world based on "predictions" about their ability to afford them....

While you're putting down middle class America, keep this FACT in mind, they are the majority "contributors" to the social programs that fund irresponsible lifestyle choices....



relationships and poverty have EVER CHANGING status in most peoples lives, in fact, 4 out of 5 adults at one time will face poverty

so, poverty, cannot be 'predicted', it is an almost certainty at some point in most peoples lives,, and that possibility should stop 80 percent of adults from procreating? not really logical or realistic

responsible men and women bring children they believe they can support,, that doesn't always end up being the case,,,,income is not GUARANTEED< jobs are not GUARANTEED, relationships(even marriages) aren't GUARANTEED to last

so, everyone makes a 'prediction' about the longevity and stability of their income , relationships, health etc,,,

many times life doesn't work the way we predicted it

as to putting middle class down,, Im not the one who said they are collectively selfish enough to not want to support children merely because of the marital status of the mother when they were born,,,,


I don't happen to believe that's true,, if it is, I think its a sad statement about the middle class

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Thu 08/15/13 09:32 AM

Yep.
And those contributing to those generous social programs should be the only ones allowed to vote on how the country is run.

Gibsmedats are like crabs in a bushel basket.
When one tries to escape by climbing out the rest pull it back down.


says one advocating for eugenics on the poor
and denial of government representation for the poor,,,


,,,,smh

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Thu 08/15/13 11:01 AM
Hey!
I didn't write oBummercare! laugh

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Thu 08/15/13 11:13 AM

Consider the following scenario.

A single woman chooses to participate in sexual intercourse.
A natural consequence of her choice is that she becomes a single mother.
As a consequence of her becoming a single mother, she is now financially poorer than she was before she gave birth.

Now, why is she poorer?

A. Because of her choice.
B. Because of the state of the economy.
C. Because of racism.

If you chose Answer "A", then you may be a conservative and/or a Republican.

If you chose something other than "A", then you may be a liberal and/or a Democrat.


what is the point there though dodo?

if a woman is MARRIED And has a child WITH HER HUSBAND

it is because it is THEIR CHOICE

and , due to the nature of having the same resources spread to more people,, THEY are also POORER<, than they were

but poverty, is due to the economy,,not because of peoples relationship status

and RACE is highly correlated with the economy as well


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Thu 08/15/13 11:33 AM
In the near future.
Norplant, something similar or prison.

Progressive liberals wanted it. Soon, it will be reality.

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Thu 08/15/13 11:38 AM

In the near future.
Norplant, something similar or prison.

Progressive liberals wanted it. Soon, it will be reality.


I have a better idea,,, back to shotgun weddings, you knock her up, you marry her and support your child

or prison,,,

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Thu 08/15/13 11:45 AM
Look it up in oBummercare. Norplant and similar BC options will soon be enforced.

As per forced marriage, only Muslims do that.

Would you force your kid to marry someone they screwed for the sake of screwing?

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Thu 08/15/13 11:52 AM

Look it up in oBummercare. Norplant and similar BC options will soon be enforced.

As per forced marriage, only Muslims do that.

Would you force your kid to marry someone they screwed for the sake of screwing?


yep,, I bet it would deter a lot of people from 'screwing for the sake of screwing' and it would definitely decrease the number of out of wedlock children needing to be supported by others,,,

that was the point, wasn't it?

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Thu 08/15/13 12:05 PM



middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well

how are women to predict whether their partner will be 'responsible' nine months later or not?





If you don't know the person you're sleeping with well enough to "predict" what kind of father he would be, don't breed with him...Also, responsible men and women don't bring children into the world based on "predictions" about their ability to afford them....

While you're putting down middle class America, keep this FACT in mind, they are the majority "contributors" to the social programs that fund irresponsible lifestyle choices....




as to putting middle class down,, Im not the one who said they are collectively selfish enough to not want to support children merely because of the marital status of the mother when they were born,,,,




Clearly, you did put middle class down and now you're making stuff up to justify it...That's kinda irresponsible :tongue:

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Thu 08/15/13 12:14 PM




middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well

how are women to predict whether their partner will be 'responsible' nine months later or not?





If you don't know the person you're sleeping with well enough to "predict" what kind of father he would be, don't breed with him...Also, responsible men and women don't bring children into the world based on "predictions" about their ability to afford them....

While you're putting down middle class America, keep this FACT in mind, they are the majority "contributors" to the social programs that fund irresponsible lifestyle choices....




as to putting middle class down,, Im not the one who said they are collectively selfish enough to not want to support children merely because of the marital status of the mother when they were born,,,,




Clearly, you did put middle class down and now you're making stuff up to justify it...That's kinda irresponsible :tongue:



lol

to clarify, again

THIS SENETENCE :

middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

IS A QUESTION ABOUT A STATEMENT SOMEONE ELSE MADE

and

THIS SENTENCE

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well


IS AN OPINION ABOUT THE STATEMENT,,,,,,NOT ABOUT THE MIDDLE CLASS

as I don't agree with the statement about what middle class are 'tired of',,,,believe it or not, I have plenty of 'middle class' family and family friends and know of none who share that mentality,,,

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Thu 08/15/13 12:18 PM





middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well

how are women to predict whether their partner will be 'responsible' nine months later or not?





If you don't know the person you're sleeping with well enough to "predict" what kind of father he would be, don't breed with him...Also, responsible men and women don't bring children into the world based on "predictions" about their ability to afford them....

While you're putting down middle class America, keep this FACT in mind, they are the majority "contributors" to the social programs that fund irresponsible lifestyle choices....




as to putting middle class down,, Im not the one who said they are collectively selfish enough to not want to support children merely because of the marital status of the mother when they were born,,,,




Clearly, you did put middle class down and now you're making stuff up to justify it...That's kinda irresponsible :tongue:



lol

to clarify, again

THIS SENETENCE :

middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

IS A QUESTION ABOUT A STATEMENT SOMEONE ELSE MADE

and

THIS SENTENCE

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well


IS AN OPINION ABOUT THE STATEMENT,,,,,,NOT ABOUT THE MIDDLE CLASS

as I don't agree with the statement about what middle class are 'tired of',,,,believe it or not, I have plenty of 'middle class' family and family friends and know of none who share that mentality,,,


and both statements/comments are sarcasm, so save it for a rainy day toots...:wink:

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Thu 08/15/13 12:24 PM






middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well

how are women to predict whether their partner will be 'responsible' nine months later or not?





If you don't know the person you're sleeping with well enough to "predict" what kind of father he would be, don't breed with him...Also, responsible men and women don't bring children into the world based on "predictions" about their ability to afford them....

While you're putting down middle class America, keep this FACT in mind, they are the majority "contributors" to the social programs that fund irresponsible lifestyle choices....




as to putting middle class down,, Im not the one who said they are collectively selfish enough to not want to support children merely because of the marital status of the mother when they were born,,,,




Clearly, you did put middle class down and now you're making stuff up to justify it...That's kinda irresponsible :tongue:



lol

to clarify, again

THIS SENETENCE :

middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

IS A QUESTION ABOUT A STATEMENT SOMEONE ELSE MADE

and

THIS SENTENCE

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well


IS AN OPINION ABOUT THE STATEMENT,,,,,,NOT ABOUT THE MIDDLE CLASS

as I don't agree with the statement about what middle class are 'tired of',,,,believe it or not, I have plenty of 'middle class' family and family friends and know of none who share that mentality,,,


and both statements/comments are sarcasm, so save it for a rainy day toots...:wink:



sarcsm: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain


what was 'ironic' or satirical about my opinion,, exactly?

if someone mentioned that , for instance, the oow birthrate had risen to 70 percent in the black community

and someone else mentioned the 'irresponsible' behavior such a fact implies,,, would tht person be being satirical or ironic?


lol


someone made a suggestion about what 'middle class' feels, and I responded that such a mentality would not be saying much for the middle class

that's really all there is to it ,,toots,,,lol

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Thu 08/15/13 12:34 PM







middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well

how are women to predict whether their partner will be 'responsible' nine months later or not?





If you don't know the person you're sleeping with well enough to "predict" what kind of father he would be, don't breed with him...Also, responsible men and women don't bring children into the world based on "predictions" about their ability to afford them....

While you're putting down middle class America, keep this FACT in mind, they are the majority "contributors" to the social programs that fund irresponsible lifestyle choices....




as to putting middle class down,, Im not the one who said they are collectively selfish enough to not want to support children merely because of the marital status of the mother when they were born,,,,




Clearly, you did put middle class down and now you're making stuff up to justify it...That's kinda irresponsible :tongue:



lol

to clarify, again

THIS SENETENCE :

middle class is distinguishing between the needs of a child born at a moment when the parents weren't married

and a child born when the parents were?

IS A QUESTION ABOUT A STATEMENT SOMEONE ELSE MADE

and

THIS SENTENCE

well, that says something sad about middle class,, but oh well


IS AN OPINION ABOUT THE STATEMENT,,,,,,NOT ABOUT THE MIDDLE CLASS

as I don't agree with the statement about what middle class are 'tired of',,,,believe it or not, I have plenty of 'middle class' family and family friends and know of none who share that mentality,,,


and both statements/comments are sarcasm, so save it for a rainy day toots...:wink:



sarcsm: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain


what was 'ironic' or satirical about my opinion,, exactly?

if someone mentioned that , for instance, the oow birthrate had risen to 70 percent in the black community

and someone else mentioned the 'irresponsible' behavior such a fact implies,,, would tht person be being satirical or ironic?


lol


someone made a suggestion about what 'middle class' feels, and I responded that such a mentality would not be saying much for the middle class

that's really all there is to it ,,toots,,,lol


Sometimes, you remind me of my third grade teacher...laugh

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Thu 08/15/13 12:39 PM
well, that is the area I earned my associates in,,,


laugh

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Thu 08/15/13 12:45 PM

well, that is the area I earned my associates in,,,


laugh


I thought your degree was in library science!?! LOL- in a mood today