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and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,, People do go in and out of poverty, but it is a well known fact that the longer one remains in poverty, the harder it is to get out...Having babies while you're in poverty is nothing short of stupidity...You act like it's impossible to prevent pregnancy when it's as simple as taking an aspirin..For those who don't believe in abortion, but do believe in having premarital sex, USE BIRTH CONTROL... for a person who is single, what is considered 'in poverty' is quite bit different for TWO people who are single their combined income will also not be considered in poverty there are few times when TWO single people who aren't poor in their SINGLE lives will believe they cant provide together for a child with that belief, in a commitment with someone else, there would be no reason for a woman to get on the pill EXCEPT precaution, and Im sorry, but in that case its even MORE vital that the man be wearing protection because he cant only produce a child but can pass on a DEADLY STD so, Im still not quite kewl with this implication that women should feel the primary, sole, or major responsibility for creating and raising children,,, |
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I take it, you are not a big fan of responsible parenting.
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and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,, People do go in and out of poverty, but it is a well known fact that the longer one remains in poverty, the harder it is to get out...Having babies while you're in poverty is nothing short of stupidity...You act like it's impossible to prevent pregnancy when it's as simple as taking an aspirin..For those who don't believe in abortion, but do believe in having premarital sex, USE BIRTH CONTROL... for a person who is single, what is considered 'in poverty' is quite bit different for TWO people who are single their combined income will also not be considered in poverty there are few times when TWO single people who aren't poor in their SINGLE lives will believe they cant provide together for a child with that belief, in a commitment with someone else, there would be no reason for a woman to get on the pill EXCEPT precaution, and Im sorry, but in that case its even MORE vital that the man be wearing protection because he cant only produce a child but can pass on a DEADLY STD It doesn't matter if you are cool with it or not...Facts are facts...You're arguments example why there are so many out-of-wedlock babies being born....The rest of your post makes absolutely no sense Harmony...Who makes financial decisions based on combining their income with a boyfriend or girlfriend?...That's insane...And two single people with poverty level incomes can still be at poverty level if they combine those incomes...What is you reasoning behind the assumption that they won't be??...And are we talking about love now?...You think love comes with guarantees like financial security for your unborn child??.....Oh, and that last sentence, you forgot to finish it...Here, allow me... "so, Im still not quite kewl with this implication that women should feel the primary, sole, or major responsibility for creating and raising children",,,OUT-OF-WEDLOCK... |
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I take it, you are not a big fan of responsible parenting. no, I am as in , a father should be RESPONSIBLE for his kids,,, and society should expect fathers to BE RESPONSIBLE, instead of just demonizing the mothers who need help in their absence,,, |
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and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,, People do go in and out of poverty, but it is a well known fact that the longer one remains in poverty, the harder it is to get out...Having babies while you're in poverty is nothing short of stupidity...You act like it's impossible to prevent pregnancy when it's as simple as taking an aspirin..For those who don't believe in abortion, but do believe in having premarital sex, USE BIRTH CONTROL... for a person who is single, what is considered 'in poverty' is quite bit different for TWO people who are single their combined income will also not be considered in poverty there are few times when TWO single people who aren't poor in their SINGLE lives will believe they cant provide together for a child with that belief, in a commitment with someone else, there would be no reason for a woman to get on the pill EXCEPT precaution, and Im sorry, but in that case its even MORE vital that the man be wearing protection because he cant only produce a child but can pass on a DEADLY STD It doesn't matter if you are cool with it or not...Facts are facts...You're arguments example why there are so many out-of-wedlock babies being born....The rest of your post makes absolutely no sense Harmony...Who makes financial decisions based on combining their income with a boyfriend or girlfriend?...That's insane...And two single people with poverty level incomes can still be at poverty level if they combine those incomes...What is you reasoning behind the assumption that they won't be??...And are we talking about love now?...You think love comes with guarantees like financial security for your unborn child??.....Oh, and that last sentence, you forgot to finish it...Here, allow me... "so, Im still not quite kewl with this implication that women should feel the primary, sole, or major responsibility for creating and raising children",,,OUT-OF-WEDLOCK... you don't have to understand or agree whatever there are out of wedlock births because MEN AND WOMEN are not being responsible |
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and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,, People do go in and out of poverty, but it is a well known fact that the longer one remains in poverty, the harder it is to get out...Having babies while you're in poverty is nothing short of stupidity...You act like it's impossible to prevent pregnancy when it's as simple as taking an aspirin..For those who don't believe in abortion, but do believe in having premarital sex, USE BIRTH CONTROL... for a person who is single, what is considered 'in poverty' is quite bit different for TWO people who are single their combined income will also not be considered in poverty there are few times when TWO single people who aren't poor in their SINGLE lives will believe they cant provide together for a child with that belief, in a commitment with someone else, there would be no reason for a woman to get on the pill EXCEPT precaution, and Im sorry, but in that case its even MORE vital that the man be wearing protection because he cant only produce a child but can pass on a DEADLY STD It doesn't matter if you are cool with it or not...Facts are facts...You're arguments example why there are so many out-of-wedlock babies being born....The rest of your post makes absolutely no sense Harmony...Who makes financial decisions based on combining their income with a boyfriend or girlfriend?...That's insane...And two single people with poverty level incomes can still be at poverty level if they combine those incomes...What is you reasoning behind the assumption that they won't be??...And are we talking about love now?...You think love comes with guarantees like financial security for your unborn child??.....Oh, and that last sentence, you forgot to finish it...Here, allow me... "so, Im still not quite kewl with this implication that women should feel the primary, sole, or major responsibility for creating and raising children",,,OUT-OF-WEDLOCK... you don't have to understand or agree whatever there are out of wedlock births because MEN AND WOMEN are not being responsible I understand you perfectly Harmony....It's not about agreeing, it about taking responsibility....If you are not willing to take responsibility for your actions, don't expect your boyfriend to step up to the plate and bail you out once you decide to have his baby out-of-wedlock..Even marriage doesn't come with that guarantee.... |
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and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,, People do go in and out of poverty, but it is a well known fact that the longer one remains in poverty, the harder it is to get out...Having babies while you're in poverty is nothing short of stupidity...You act like it's impossible to prevent pregnancy when it's as simple as taking an aspirin..For those who don't believe in abortion, but do believe in having premarital sex, USE BIRTH CONTROL... for a person who is single, what is considered 'in poverty' is quite bit different for TWO people who are single their combined income will also not be considered in poverty there are few times when TWO single people who aren't poor in their SINGLE lives will believe they cant provide together for a child with that belief, in a commitment with someone else, there would be no reason for a woman to get on the pill EXCEPT precaution, and Im sorry, but in that case its even MORE vital that the man be wearing protection because he cant only produce a child but can pass on a DEADLY STD It doesn't matter if you are cool with it or not...Facts are facts...You're arguments example why there are so many out-of-wedlock babies being born....The rest of your post makes absolutely no sense Harmony...Who makes financial decisions based on combining their income with a boyfriend or girlfriend?...That's insane...And two single people with poverty level incomes can still be at poverty level if they combine those incomes...What is you reasoning behind the assumption that they won't be??...And are we talking about love now?...You think love comes with guarantees like financial security for your unborn child??.....Oh, and that last sentence, you forgot to finish it...Here, allow me... "so, Im still not quite kewl with this implication that women should feel the primary, sole, or major responsibility for creating and raising children",,,OUT-OF-WEDLOCK... you don't have to understand or agree whatever there are out of wedlock births because MEN AND WOMEN are not being responsible I understand you perfectly Harmony....It's not about agreeing, it about taking responsibility....If you are not willing to take responsibility for your actions, don't expect your boyfriend to step up to the plate and bail you out once you decide to have his baby out-of-wedlock..Even marriage doesn't come with that guarantee.... I don't expect a man to 'bail me out', I expect them to care for their children,,, |
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and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,, People do go in and out of poverty, but it is a well known fact that the longer one remains in poverty, the harder it is to get out...Having babies while you're in poverty is nothing short of stupidity...You act like it's impossible to prevent pregnancy when it's as simple as taking an aspirin..For those who don't believe in abortion, but do believe in having premarital sex, USE BIRTH CONTROL... for a person who is single, what is considered 'in poverty' is quite bit different for TWO people who are single their combined income will also not be considered in poverty there are few times when TWO single people who aren't poor in their SINGLE lives will believe they cant provide together for a child with that belief, in a commitment with someone else, there would be no reason for a woman to get on the pill EXCEPT precaution, and Im sorry, but in that case its even MORE vital that the man be wearing protection because he cant only produce a child but can pass on a DEADLY STD It doesn't matter if you are cool with it or not...Facts are facts...You're arguments example why there are so many out-of-wedlock babies being born....The rest of your post makes absolutely no sense Harmony...Who makes financial decisions based on combining their income with a boyfriend or girlfriend?...That's insane...And two single people with poverty level incomes can still be at poverty level if they combine those incomes...What is you reasoning behind the assumption that they won't be??...And are we talking about love now?...You think love comes with guarantees like financial security for your unborn child??.....Oh, and that last sentence, you forgot to finish it...Here, allow me... "so, Im still not quite kewl with this implication that women should feel the primary, sole, or major responsibility for creating and raising children",,,OUT-OF-WEDLOCK... you don't have to understand or agree whatever there are out of wedlock births because MEN AND WOMEN are not being responsible I understand you perfectly Harmony....It's not about agreeing, it about taking responsibility....If you are not willing to take responsibility for your actions, don't expect your boyfriend to step up to the plate and bail you out once you decide to have his baby out-of-wedlock..Even marriage doesn't come with that guarantee.... I don't expect a man to 'bail me out', I expect them to care for their children,,, Same difference if you've got the kid... |
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and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,, People do go in and out of poverty, but it is a well known fact that the longer one remains in poverty, the harder it is to get out...Having babies while you're in poverty is nothing short of stupidity...You act like it's impossible to prevent pregnancy when it's as simple as taking an aspirin..For those who don't believe in abortion, but do believe in having premarital sex, USE BIRTH CONTROL... for a person who is single, what is considered 'in poverty' is quite bit different for TWO people who are single their combined income will also not be considered in poverty there are few times when TWO single people who aren't poor in their SINGLE lives will believe they cant provide together for a child with that belief, in a commitment with someone else, there would be no reason for a woman to get on the pill EXCEPT precaution, and Im sorry, but in that case its even MORE vital that the man be wearing protection because he cant only produce a child but can pass on a DEADLY STD It doesn't matter if you are cool with it or not...Facts are facts...You're arguments example why there are so many out-of-wedlock babies being born....The rest of your post makes absolutely no sense Harmony...Who makes financial decisions based on combining their income with a boyfriend or girlfriend?...That's insane...And two single people with poverty level incomes can still be at poverty level if they combine those incomes...What is you reasoning behind the assumption that they won't be??...And are we talking about love now?...You think love comes with guarantees like financial security for your unborn child??.....Oh, and that last sentence, you forgot to finish it...Here, allow me... "so, Im still not quite kewl with this implication that women should feel the primary, sole, or major responsibility for creating and raising children",,,OUT-OF-WEDLOCK... you don't have to understand or agree whatever there are out of wedlock births because MEN AND WOMEN are not being responsible I understand you perfectly Harmony....It's not about agreeing, it about taking responsibility....If you are not willing to take responsibility for your actions, don't expect your boyfriend to step up to the plate and bail you out once you decide to have his baby out-of-wedlock..Even marriage doesn't come with that guarantee.... I don't expect a man to 'bail me out', I expect them to care for their children,,, Same difference if you've got the kid... not really, 'bailing out' implies someone steps in to take over your responsibility a man has their own responsibility to their child that has nothing to do with the woman,,, |
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So, a single woman thinks, "My boyfriend isn't responsible enough to marry me before he and I have a baby together, but he will be responsible once we have a baby together."???
If that is what a single woman thinks, then there is something wrong with her thinking. |
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So, a single woman thinks, "My boyfriend isn't responsible enough to marry me before he and I have a baby together, but he will be responsible once we have a baby together."??? If that is what a single woman thinks, then there is something wrong with her thinking. perhaps the man thinks 'my girlfriend means enough for me to have sex with her, but she doesn't mean enough for me to raise a child with her'??? if tht is what the single man thinks, something is wrong with HIS thinking but, that is a moral judgement I wont get into and blur the lines further people can co parent quite well without a formal marriage, and many people are deciding not to marry without it meaning they decide not to commit to each other,,, |
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and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,, People do go in and out of poverty, but it is a well known fact that the longer one remains in poverty, the harder it is to get out...Having babies while you're in poverty is nothing short of stupidity...You act like it's impossible to prevent pregnancy when it's as simple as taking an aspirin..For those who don't believe in abortion, but do believe in having premarital sex, USE BIRTH CONTROL... for a person who is single, what is considered 'in poverty' is quite bit different for TWO people who are single their combined income will also not be considered in poverty there are few times when TWO single people who aren't poor in their SINGLE lives will believe they cant provide together for a child with that belief, in a commitment with someone else, there would be no reason for a woman to get on the pill EXCEPT precaution, and Im sorry, but in that case its even MORE vital that the man be wearing protection because he cant only produce a child but can pass on a DEADLY STD It doesn't matter if you are cool with it or not...Facts are facts...You're arguments example why there are so many out-of-wedlock babies being born....The rest of your post makes absolutely no sense Harmony...Who makes financial decisions based on combining their income with a boyfriend or girlfriend?...That's insane...And two single people with poverty level incomes can still be at poverty level if they combine those incomes...What is you reasoning behind the assumption that they won't be??...And are we talking about love now?...You think love comes with guarantees like financial security for your unborn child??.....Oh, and that last sentence, you forgot to finish it...Here, allow me... "so, Im still not quite kewl with this implication that women should feel the primary, sole, or major responsibility for creating and raising children",,,OUT-OF-WEDLOCK... you don't have to understand or agree whatever there are out of wedlock births because MEN AND WOMEN are not being responsible I understand you perfectly Harmony....It's not about agreeing, it about taking responsibility....If you are not willing to take responsibility for your actions, don't expect your boyfriend to step up to the plate and bail you out once you decide to have his baby out-of-wedlock..Even marriage doesn't come with that guarantee.... I don't expect a man to 'bail me out', I expect them to care for their children,,, Same difference if you've got the kid... not really, 'bailing out' implies someone steps in to take over your responsibility a man has their own responsibility to their child that has nothing to do with the woman,,, And if he shirks that responsibility it falls on the custodial parent...You don't get a free pass just because your boyfriend takes one....So yeah, he's bailing you out...You seem to think the responsibility of a child can be divided ...Doesn't work that way...If you're not married and he won't, you must and biotching and moaning about it is just wasting valuable energy that should be spent earning the money needed to do a proper job of raising your kid(s).. |
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and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,, People do go in and out of poverty, but it is a well known fact that the longer one remains in poverty, the harder it is to get out...Having babies while you're in poverty is nothing short of stupidity...You act like it's impossible to prevent pregnancy when it's as simple as taking an aspirin..For those who don't believe in abortion, but do believe in having premarital sex, USE BIRTH CONTROL... for a person who is single, what is considered 'in poverty' is quite bit different for TWO people who are single their combined income will also not be considered in poverty there are few times when TWO single people who aren't poor in their SINGLE lives will believe they cant provide together for a child with that belief, in a commitment with someone else, there would be no reason for a woman to get on the pill EXCEPT precaution, and Im sorry, but in that case its even MORE vital that the man be wearing protection because he cant only produce a child but can pass on a DEADLY STD It doesn't matter if you are cool with it or not...Facts are facts...You're arguments example why there are so many out-of-wedlock babies being born....The rest of your post makes absolutely no sense Harmony...Who makes financial decisions based on combining their income with a boyfriend or girlfriend?...That's insane...And two single people with poverty level incomes can still be at poverty level if they combine those incomes...What is you reasoning behind the assumption that they won't be??...And are we talking about love now?...You think love comes with guarantees like financial security for your unborn child??.....Oh, and that last sentence, you forgot to finish it...Here, allow me... "so, Im still not quite kewl with this implication that women should feel the primary, sole, or major responsibility for creating and raising children",,,OUT-OF-WEDLOCK... you don't have to understand or agree whatever there are out of wedlock births because MEN AND WOMEN are not being responsible I understand you perfectly Harmony....It's not about agreeing, it about taking responsibility....If you are not willing to take responsibility for your actions, don't expect your boyfriend to step up to the plate and bail you out once you decide to have his baby out-of-wedlock..Even marriage doesn't come with that guarantee.... I don't expect a man to 'bail me out', I expect them to care for their children,,, Same difference if you've got the kid... not really, 'bailing out' implies someone steps in to take over your responsibility a man has their own responsibility to their child that has nothing to do with the woman,,, And if he shirks that responsibility it falls on the custodial parent...You don't get a free pass just because your boyfriend takes one....So yeah, he's bailing you out...You seem to think the responsibility of a child can be divided ...Doesn't work that way...If you're not married and he won't, you must and biotching and moaning about it is just wasting valuable energy that should be spent earning the money needed to do a proper job of raising your kid(s).. seriously? tell me how voicing an opinion possibly keeps me from having my check in my account on payday? I use just as much energy 'earning money' as those who earn money and talk about something different,,, this is a topic about out of wedlock births, and in thst discussion, it is a GRAVE intellectual crime, to make it all about just ONE of the two people who cause those births and create those children,,, |
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So, a single woman thinks, "My boyfriend isn't responsible enough to marry me before he and I have a baby together, but he will be responsible once we have a baby together."??? If that is what a single woman thinks, then there is something wrong with her thinking. perhaps the man thinks 'my girlfriend means enough for me to have sex with her, but she doesn't mean enough for me to raise a child with her'??? if tht is what the single man thinks, something is wrong with HIS thinking but, that is a moral judgement I wont get into and blur the lines further people can co parent quite well without a formal marriage, and many people are deciding not to marry without it meaning they decide not to commit to each other,,, If two people really have a commitment to each other, then they won't object to getting married. The act of cohabiting without being married is commonly a case of wanting to be able to make a quick exit. |
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So, a single woman thinks, "My boyfriend isn't responsible enough to marry me before he and I have a baby together, but he will be responsible once we have a baby together."??? If that is what a single woman thinks, then there is something wrong with her thinking. perhaps the man thinks 'my girlfriend means enough for me to have sex with her, but she doesn't mean enough for me to raise a child with her'??? if tht is what the single man thinks, something is wrong with HIS thinking but, that is a moral judgement I wont get into and blur the lines further people can co parent quite well without a formal marriage, and many people are deciding not to marry without it meaning they decide not to commit to each other,,, If two people really have a commitment to each other, then they won't object to getting married. The act of cohabiting without being married is commonly a case of wanting to be able to make a quick exit. who are we to decide the process by which others commit to each other? there are many reasons people hold off on a formal marriage and none of that is any indicator of their commitment to their children,,, because many wonderful spouses suck as parents and many wonderful parents suck as spouses |
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So, a single woman thinks, "My boyfriend isn't responsible enough to marry me before he and I have a baby together, but he will be responsible once we have a baby together."??? If that is what a single woman thinks, then there is something wrong with her thinking. perhaps the man thinks 'my girlfriend means enough for me to have sex with her, but she doesn't mean enough for me to raise a child with her'??? if tht is what the single man thinks, something is wrong with HIS thinking but, that is a moral judgement I wont get into and blur the lines further people can co parent quite well without a formal marriage, and many people are deciding not to marry without it meaning they decide not to commit to each other,,, If two people really have a commitment to each other, then they won't object to getting married. The act of cohabiting without being married is commonly a case of wanting to be able to make a quick exit. who are we to decide the process by which others commit to each other? there are many reasons people hold off on a formal marriage and none of that is any indicator of their commitment to their children,,, because many wonderful spouses suck as parents and many wonderful parents suck as spouses Yeah, sometimes people downplay marriage because they want the pleasures associated with marriage without the legal responsibilities that come with marriage. Sometimes, people will downplay marriage because they want to be free to have sexual relationships without being formally married . . . and, no, two people are not married just because they have a sexual relationship with each other. |
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So, a single woman thinks, "My boyfriend isn't responsible enough to marry me before he and I have a baby together, but he will be responsible once we have a baby together."??? If that is what a single woman thinks, then there is something wrong with her thinking. perhaps the man thinks 'my girlfriend means enough for me to have sex with her, but she doesn't mean enough for me to raise a child with her'??? if tht is what the single man thinks, something is wrong with HIS thinking but, that is a moral judgement I wont get into and blur the lines further people can co parent quite well without a formal marriage, and many people are deciding not to marry without it meaning they decide not to commit to each other,,, If two people really have a commitment to each other, then they won't object to getting married. The act of cohabiting without being married is commonly a case of wanting to be able to make a quick exit. who are we to decide the process by which others commit to each other? there are many reasons people hold off on a formal marriage and none of that is any indicator of their commitment to their children,,, because many wonderful spouses suck as parents and many wonderful parents suck as spouses Yeah, sometimes people downplay marriage because they want the pleasures associated with marriage without the legal responsibilities that come with marriage. Sometimes, people will downplay marriage because they want to be free to have sexual relationships without being formally married . . . and, no, two people are not married just because they have a sexual relationship with each other. your opinion, of course for me, commitment is marriage,,,,,, many legally married people philander and don't 'cling' to their partner and many who re not legally married are faithful and do cling to their partner I don't downplay 'marriage' I just believe the point of it the 'commitment and fidelity' are more important,,, |
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your opinion, of course for me, commitment is marriage,,,,,, many legally married people philander and don't 'cling' to their partner and many who re not legally married are faithful and do cling to their partner I don't downplay 'marriage' I just believe the point of it the 'commitment and fidelity' are more important,,, It appears to me that you are desperately trying to redefine marriage so that it fits some kind of agenda. |
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your opinion, of course for me, commitment is marriage,,,,,, many legally married people philander and don't 'cling' to their partner and many who re not legally married are faithful and do cling to their partner I don't downplay 'marriage' I just believe the point of it the 'commitment and fidelity' are more important,,, It appears to me that you are desperately trying to redefine marriage so that it fits some kind of agenda. yep, my definition of commitment and fidelity are just to fit an 'agenda',,,, one of commitement and fidelity,,,,lol |
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your opinion, of course for me, commitment is marriage,,,,,, many legally married people philander and don't 'cling' to their partner and many who re not legally married are faithful and do cling to their partner I don't downplay 'marriage' I just believe the point of it the 'commitment and fidelity' are more important,,, It appears to me that you are desperately trying to redefine marriage so that it fits some kind of agenda. yep, my definition of commitment and fidelity are just to fit an 'agenda',,,, one of commitement and fidelity,,,,lol |
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