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Topic: Understanding out of wedlock statistics
Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Mon 08/12/13 03:20 PM
In a perfect world men share equal responsibility, but it's not a perfect world...I was a sexually active divorced "mom of one" during many of my reproductive years... I took 100% responsibility for my body...I didn't want to become pregnant and single, so I made sure that didn't happen...

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 08/12/13 03:40 PM
In a perfect world men share equal responsibility, but it's not a perfect world...I was a sexually active divorced "mom of one" during many of my reproductive years... I took 100% responsibility for my body...I didn't want to become pregnant and single, so I made sure that didn't happen... Thank you! Beautiful example of what responsible women do.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/12/13 03:45 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/12/13 03:45 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,,

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Mon 08/12/13 03:48 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? Uh, perhaps you missed one of my previous posts.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/12/13 03:50 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? Uh, perhaps you missed one of my previous posts. lol,, not directed at you,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 08/12/13 04:01 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, That's a different topic. Responsible women don't pump out kids. They plan them. Pond scum pumps scum and expects tax payers to pay to support their irresponsibility. Wanna decrease poverty? Mandatory birth control for the irresponsible.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Mon 08/12/13 04:10 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who....

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Mon 08/12/13 04:14 PM
In a perfect world men share equal responsibility, but it's not a perfect world...I was a sexually active divorced "mom of one" during many of my reproductive years... I took 100% responsibility for my body...I didn't want to become pregnant and single, so I made sure that didn't happen... Thank you! Beautiful example of what responsible women do. You're welcome

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/12/13 04:16 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Mon 08/12/13 04:20 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That is why I want it possible for the government to come down harder on men who father children out of wedlock and then who refuse to support those children.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/12/13 04:22 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/12/13 04:24 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That is why I want it possible for the government to come down harder on men who father children out of wedlock and then who refuse to support those children. I do too,,, perhaps they should have a deadbeat registry where they must register, like sex offenders although it would require proof of paternity, which oversteps the same boundaries that anti abortion laws do,,, slippery slope,,, perhaps the BEST method is from the inside out,, teaching males that womens bodies aren't just playgrounds for their personal enjoyment,,,,but potential resource from where their own life might be recreated in another,,, and returning to the STIGMA on men who likewise 'sleep around' and produce children that they cant or wont take care of,,,

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Mon 08/12/13 04:22 PM Edited by Leigh2154 on Mon 08/12/13 04:23 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/12/13 04:25 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,,

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Mon 08/12/13 04:28 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, and they believe him?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/12/13 04:31 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/12/13 04:32 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, and they believe him? why shouldn't they?....isn't it sad to expect such irresponsibility with someone you choose to lay down with? I get your point though, really, Im glad I had it all taken out when I did,, judging by the changing attitude about parental responsibility going on in the culture,,,

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Mon 08/12/13 04:38 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/12/13 04:41 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/12/13 04:42 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 08/12/13 04:45 PM
A little off topic bur, I dpn't know what century some y'all are living in. The child support laws have been tough since that bs dead beat dad crap. As if, only men fail to support their kids. BTW, support enforcement would not take my case when I had custody. At this very moment, are ya sitting down, men are having their wages garnished, sent to jail, pay fines and even getting their driver licenses pulled. Back on topic. Democrat Hussein has a eugenics plan that could work to help put a dent in poverty. Maybe he'll pay me for that slogan.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/12/13 04:49 PM
better wages, better education, and better economic policies,, would put a dent in poverty

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Mon 08/12/13 04:50 PM
and who will speak up about what 'responsible' men do and what should be happening to them to ensure they do it? its only the 'womans body' that the life resides in for 9 months,, after that , that life is just as entitled to one parent as it is the other,,, You are a mother, surely you don't discount the bonding relationship that forms between a woman and her unborn child....And Harmony, why do you speak as if all pregnancies are created equal, you know better than that....It doesn't matter how you slice it, women control reproduction.... As for who should speak up for what should be happening to ensure men take responsibility for their children born out-of-wedlock...The women who decided to give birth to those children, that's who.... hard to do when people continue to pretend that an initial nine month growth of human life should lay responsibility sorely on just one of the two who created the life it takes two, and no one can be SURE What the other will do,, crap happens That's right, crap happens, it happens all the time...That's why women who choose to have sex outside of marriage should take full responsibility for their actions... I agree, but I also know that many are taking 'reponsibilty' with the belief they are with a partner who will be there for their children,,, There will always be men and women who shirk their responsibility to their children, but we are talking about out-of-wedlock kids and the majority of those born out-of wedlock were born because the mother made that choice...After conception, "boyfriends" have only as much control as "girlfriends" allow ....That is the difference and that is the bottom line....Too many women are too willing to have babies they can't afford because they know big brother will pick up the tab... and others believe they are with a partner who will care for their kids people go in and out of poverty, just like they do relationship statuses barring ABORTING a child or giving it up for adoption,, there isn't much a woman can do once she conceives with someone ,,,and rarely is she considering those options something if she is still believing the other parent will be there and those aren't options I would consider just to avoid needing some help now and again,, everyone DOES,,,,, ,,its never so simple as these simplistic spins about how its all about the 'womans body' , or women 'sleeping around',,,,etc,,etc,,, People do go in and out of poverty, but it is a well known fact that the longer one remains in poverty, the harder it is to get out...Having babies while you're in poverty is nothing short of stupidity...You act like it's impossible to prevent pregnancy when it's as simple as taking an aspirin..For those who don't believe in abortion, but do believe in having premarital sex, USE BIRTH CONTROL...