Topic: Understanding out of wedlock statistics
willing2's photo
Sun 08/11/13 06:40 PM
That's already being done.
It doesn't stop the broads from pumping out rug rats.

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 08/11/13 06:48 PM

That's already being done.
It doesn't stop the broads from pumping out rug rats.


If men knew that without a doubt they'd have to pay for any pregnancies that they're responsible for, then perhaps they would think twice about impregnating a woman.

willing2's photo
Sun 08/11/13 07:03 PM
They already know that. laugh

Responsible women would take the incentive to do the birth control to make certain the sperm didn't take.

However, the women who just spread em and don't give a chit how many they pump out are the ones needing mandated.

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 02:13 AM



Don't you think if newer more permanent forms of birth control such as hormone implants and IUDs were made more readily available and without shame that more women would use them and this stuff wouldn't happen in the first place?


again, I go back to believing that although it is better for parents to be wed,, the state of the economy plays a much larger part in how 'stuff' like poverty happens,,,

if more permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available,, poverty rates may decrease amongst both the wed and unwed,,,

How do you mean permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available? Spread the poverty around? Via Socialism?

If, if's and but's were candy and nut's, we'd all have a wonderful Christmas.


what I Mean is people shouldn't go to work 40 hours a week and still live below poverty

if that equates to 'spreading povrty' ,, to some folks, they don't understand the point,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 02:13 AM



Don't you think if newer more permanent forms of birth control such as hormone implants and IUDs were made more readily available and without shame that more women would use them and this stuff wouldn't happen in the first place?


again, I go back to believing that although it is better for parents to be wed,, the state of the economy plays a much larger part in how 'stuff' like poverty happens,,,

if more permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available,, poverty rates may decrease amongst both the wed and unwed,,,

How do you mean permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available? Spread the poverty around? Via Socialism?

If, if's and but's were candy and nut's, we'd all have a wonderful Christmas.


what I Mean is people shouldn't go to work 40 hours a week and still live below poverty

if that equates to 'spreading povrty' ,, to some folks, they don't understand the point,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 02:13 AM



Don't you think if newer more permanent forms of birth control such as hormone implants and IUDs were made more readily available and without shame that more women would use them and this stuff wouldn't happen in the first place?


again, I go back to believing that although it is better for parents to be wed,, the state of the economy plays a much larger part in how 'stuff' like poverty happens,,,

if more permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available,, poverty rates may decrease amongst both the wed and unwed,,,

How do you mean permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available? Spread the poverty around? Via Socialism?

If, if's and but's were candy and nut's, we'd all have a wonderful Christmas.


what I Mean is people shouldn't go to work 40 hours a week and still live below poverty

if that equates to 'spreading povrty' ,, to some folks, they don't understand the point,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 02:17 AM

Actually I think there should be a cap on how many out of wedlock birth children a woman can get assistance for with stronger financial incentives for adopting out any out of wedlock children beyond the first one to responsible parents ( with family members like grandparents, aunts and uncles etc being the first choice).

that way we strengthen the family tie and require families to be financially responsible for their collective offspring while providing an incentive for parents to properly instruct their daughters.

the poverty level would definitely decrease if single women waited until marriage to have children as they would be working and contributing to society


this is not true, as I stated before,, during the 60s with extremely high poverty rates, we had fewer out of wedlock births

BUT even people without kids end up being poor if there aren't wages that will get them out of poverty

and MARRIED people with kids also can end up being 'working poor'


msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 02:19 AM

Here is an idea.

If a single woman gives birth and then requests public assistance for her baby, then let the government require her to name the father of her baby. Let the government require a paternity test to confirm the father's identity, and then let the government garnish some of the father's pay and give that garnished pay to the mother.



the idea is to provide assistance for children,, so it would not be responsible to blame a child or let them suffer because of their familial status

better wages is a better answer


msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 02:51 AM
chart one is child poverty rate 1978 - 1998

http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/SOTU00/chart7.html

chart two is out of wedlock birth rate 1982-2002

http://www.schs.state.nc.us/schs/vitalstats/volume1/2002/section1.pdf

trends in both charts: 1982-1994 the out of wedlock br steadily rose

with much slower increase from 1994-1998

however

same years, 1982-1988 child poverty took a steady dive,,,

followed by a steady rise 1988-1993

and a steady decrease again 1993-1988

suggesting, that poverty can come down IN SPITE Of whether out of wedlock births rise or fall,,,



its about the economy

willing2's photo
Mon 08/12/13 06:46 AM
BS!
It's not about the economy.

Economy don't make a ho drop her draws.

It's about hos what spread dey legs without giving a rat's a$$ if she gets knocked up.

It's about parents what don't teach dey kids about personal responsiblity.

metalwing's photo
Mon 08/12/13 08:53 AM

Actually I think there should be a cap on how many out of wedlock birth children a woman can get assistance for with stronger financial incentives for adopting out any out of wedlock children beyond the first one to responsible parents ( with family members like grandparents, aunts and uncles etc being the first choice).

that way we strengthen the family tie and require families to be financially responsible for their collective offspring while providing an incentive for parents to properly instruct their daughters.

the poverty level would definitely decrease if single women waited until marriage to have children as they would be working and contributing to society


Good points.

willing2's photo
Mon 08/12/13 09:45 AM
I am believing, birth control should be mandatory for all women who cannot support kids without assistance.

Simple testing on education, intelligence and potential for success.

metalwing's photo
Mon 08/12/13 09:55 AM
Edited by metalwing on Mon 08/12/13 10:00 AM
The Chinese had (has) a system that actually worked pretty well even if it took a lot of flack. A couple was allowed to have only one child. Any other children were totally at the cost (education, medical, etc.) of the parents.

"BEIJING (AP) -- A Chinese city's plan to fine mothers who have a child out of wedlock has sparked criticism that the policy is discriminatory and could lead to an increase in abandoned babies.

One expert said Monday that it was the first time that out-of-wedlock children had been expressly singled out for penalty by one of China's municipalities, which have flexibility in how they enforce China's population-control policies. It also came just days after the rescue of a young unmarried mother's newborn from a sewer pipe in eastern China prompted discussion over the stigma that single mothers face.

"If the policy is approved, there could be more 'sewer babies,' because when mothers can't afford the cost, they might think about throwing their babies away," said Chen Yaya, a gender equality researcher at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences.

On Friday, the government of Wuhan city in central Hubei published online a draft updated family planning policy which it says is aimed at keeping the city's birth rate at a low level.

The policy says that "the parties" should pay the fee in cases of births that are out of wedlock or when one side knowingly has a child with someone who has a spouse. It has been interpreted in state media as mainly targeting unmarried mothers and women who have affairs with married men. The public has a week to comment on it.

"It looks like the policy is targeted just at women from my understanding," Chen said.

She said unmarried mothers already faced discrimination, including being barred from receiving maternity benefits from the government.

Unmarried mothers also face stigma because premarital sex traditionally has been frowned upon. In the case of the baby found in the sewer in Zhejiang province on May 25, his mother told police she got pregnant after a brief affair, couldn't afford an abortion, hid her pregnancy from family and neighbors and had concerns about whether she would be able to raise the child. Police also said she told them the baby slipped into the sewer accidentally shortly after its birth — an account they later said they accepted. "

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 10:46 AM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/12/13 10:47 AM

BS!
It's not about the economy.

Economy don't make a ho drop her draws.

It's about hos what spread dey legs without giving a rat's a$$ if she gets knocked up.

It's about parents what don't teach dey kids about personal responsiblity.



povery is about the economy,, not out of wedlock births

the 15 percent poverty rate today, mirrors the rate in 1965, when only 7 percent of children were born out of wedlock,

and Im sure anyone interested in research and facts would find that the year when we had our HIGHEST poverty rate had similarly very low rates of OOW births,,,




blaming single mothers doesn't work when discussing poverty, the numbers don't bare it out,,,

willing2's photo
Mon 08/12/13 11:10 AM
Fewer kids, more responsible women, mandatory birth control, competence testing.
These would clean the pond.

Common sense. Something bottom feeders lack. That's why they pump out brats tax payers get the bill for. Unintelligent choices.

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 11:16 AM
no ones going to allow their reproductive choices to be governed

especially when, as stated half a dozen times and backed up with REAL numbers,,,,

poverty rates do not rise and fall upon out of wedlock births,,,

no photo
Mon 08/12/13 01:57 PM

no ones going to allow their reproductive choices to be governed

especially when, as stated half a dozen times and backed up with REAL numbers,,,,

poverty rates do not rise and fall upon out of wedlock births,,,


"Census Bureau Links Poverty With Out-of-Wedlock Births"

"States with a higher percentage of out-of-wedlock births in 2011 tended to have a higher incidence of poverty."

"Utah had the nation's lowest out-of-wedlock birth rate in 2011, at 14.7 percent, followed by New Hampshire at 20 percent. The District of Columbia had the highest rate, at 50.8 percent, followed closely by Louisiana at 48.7 percent, Mississippi at 48.1 percent and New Mexico at 47.6 percent."

"There was a .6 Pearson's correlation between state-level poverty and the percentage of women reporting out-wedlock births, according to the report. A correlation of 0 would suggest no relationship between the two, while correlation values of 1 or -1 would suggest a strong correlation."

"Nationwide, African-American women reported the highest rate of out-of-wedlock births, at 67.8 percent. American Indian or Alaska Native women reported a 64 percent rate, while Hispanics reported 43 percent and non-Hispanic whites reported 26 percent. Asian-Americans reported the lowest rate of out-of-wedlock births, at 11.3 percent."

http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/05/06/census-bureau-links-poverty-with-out-of-wedlock-births

Since the link between poverty and out-of-wedlock births is definitive, out-of-wedlock births can and do affect the rise or fall of poverty rates because family size is part of the equation used to determine poverty rates...

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 08/12/13 02:03 PM




Don't you think if newer more permanent forms of birth control such as hormone implants and IUDs were made more readily available and without shame that more women would use them and this stuff wouldn't happen in the first place?


again, I go back to believing that although it is better for parents to be wed,, the state of the economy plays a much larger part in how 'stuff' like poverty happens,,,

if more permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available,, poverty rates may decrease amongst both the wed and unwed,,,

How do you mean permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available? Spread the poverty around? Via Socialism?

If, if's and but's were candy and nut's, we'd all have a wonderful Christmas.


what I Mean is people shouldn't go to work 40 hours a week and still live below poverty

if that equates to 'spreading povrty' ,, to some folks, they don't understand the point,,,


Minimum wages are meant for young single adults who are just entering the work force, people who don't have high living expenses.

If an adult makes wise choices pertaining to work, then that adult will build up a work history that demonstrates the person is worth being paid more than minimum wage.

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 08/12/13 02:06 PM

BS!
It's not about the economy.

Economy don't make a ho drop her draws.

It's about hos what spread dey legs without giving a rat's a$$ if she gets knocked up.

It's about parents what don't teach dey kids about personal responsiblity.


I would not use the language quoted above, but willing2 had a point.
The economy in the USA does not make a single woman choose to participate in sexual intercourse.

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 02:06 PM


no ones going to allow their reproductive choices to be governed

especially when, as stated half a dozen times and backed up with REAL numbers,,,,

poverty rates do not rise and fall upon out of wedlock births,,,


"Census Bureau Links Poverty With Out-of-Wedlock Births"

"States with a higher percentage of out-of-wedlock births in 2011 tended to have a higher incidence of poverty."

"Utah had the nation's lowest out-of-wedlock birth rate in 2011, at 14.7 percent, followed by New Hampshire at 20 percent. The District of Columbia had the highest rate, at 50.8 percent, followed closely by Louisiana at 48.7 percent, Mississippi at 48.1 percent and New Mexico at 47.6 percent."

"There was a .6 Pearson's correlation between state-level poverty and the percentage of women reporting out-wedlock births, according to the report. A correlation of 0 would suggest no relationship between the two, while correlation values of 1 or -1 would suggest a strong correlation."

"Nationwide, African-American women reported the highest rate of out-of-wedlock births, at 67.8 percent. American Indian or Alaska Native women reported a 64 percent rate, while Hispanics reported 43 percent and non-Hispanic whites reported 26 percent. Asian-Americans reported the lowest rate of out-of-wedlock births, at 11.3 percent."

http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/05/06/census-bureau-links-poverty-with-out-of-wedlock-births

Since the link between poverty and out-of-wedlock births is definitive, out-of-wedlock births can and do affect the rise or fall of poverty rates because family size is part of the equation used to determine poverty rates...



what you have pointed out is a CORRELATION,, which only implies that there is a FACTOR,, it doesn't show that poverty rates are dependent upon that factor


since, at our HIGHEST time of poverty in America, we had our LOWEST out of wedlock birthrates

there is a stronger correlation between ECONOMIC factors and poverty,, than there is out of wedlock birth,,,