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The incredible problem of out of wedlock marriage creating a class of poverty ridden, poorly educated, crime focused individuals that have nothing to do with the economy seems to be lost to some. tell me how, if we go from say,, 400 babies being born to unwed mother to 200 babies being born to unwed mothers,, we have suddenly an 'incredible' problem yes, out of wedlock births contribute to poverty,, but out of wedlock RATES as a ratio to married births, is a totally different thing and we are having FEWER out of wedlock babies being born,,,,, even single mothers can have a very low poverty rate with education and living wages,,, It was and is a big problem. If over 70% of blacks are being born out of wedlock, their future as productive citizens is not promising. The economy has nothing to do with it. Under educated, violence prone individuals have a tough go in any economy. The loss of one parent greatly reduces the ability to earn a decent family wage. The loss of a male parent in child raising greatly reduces the chance of a kid doing well later in life. Some people raised in a single parent situation come out ok, but inner city blacks ring up frightening statistics. the problem is not an increased ratio of out of wedlock to married couple births, BOTH GROUPS ARE HAVING FEWER CHILDREN,, its not the ring that makes the difference, its the income,,,, which explains how amongst EDUCATED single mothers the poverty rate is equal to that of married couples (With less education) EDUCATION and ECONOMY will always be significant to the poverty of the citizens in a country,,, Your post is almost the exact opposite of your original post which states that one should look deeper into the cause of the problem. The problem is an inner city culture of unwed teenagers having children who are growing up with little education and no respect for the law, other people, or civilization in general. This trend has grown in spite of whatever the economy did. A subculture has been created where young girls have babies without fathers. The fathers grow up to be hoodlums and the girls grow up to be unwed mothers. The pattern has gotten worse, not better. If you look much deeper into the historical data, the immigrants from various parts of the world worked their way out of poverty but some, like you, think the cure is for the taxpayer to fund the inner city problem out of poverty. It doesn't work and statistics have proven that the "Great Society" was the turning point in American history where poverty got worse, not better. Someone with a strong work ethic (instilled by parents) who will do any job to get an education and then work hard to earn a living will do well in any economy... or at least be independent until the economy gets better. An undisciplined child to a teenage mother will probably not do well regardless of the state of the economy. If you want to greatly improve the status of the inner city resident, do something to stop the teenage births because the economy has nothing to do with it. "Educate" her that having a child is not a good thing and see how well that works. |
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The incredible problem of out of wedlock marriage creating a class of poverty ridden, poorly educated, crime focused individuals that have nothing to do with the economy seems to be lost to some. tell me how, if we go from say,, 400 babies being born to unwed mother to 200 babies being born to unwed mothers,, we have suddenly an 'incredible' problem yes, out of wedlock births contribute to poverty,, but out of wedlock RATES as a ratio to married births, is a totally different thing and we are having FEWER out of wedlock babies being born,,,,, even single mothers can have a very low poverty rate with education and living wages,,, It was and is a big problem. If over 70% of blacks are being born out of wedlock, their future as productive citizens is not promising. The economy has nothing to do with it. Under educated, violence prone individuals have a tough go in any economy. The loss of one parent greatly reduces the ability to earn a decent family wage. The loss of a male parent in child raising greatly reduces the chance of a kid doing well later in life. Some people raised in a single parent situation come out ok, but inner city blacks ring up frightening statistics. the problem is not an increased ratio of out of wedlock to married couple births, BOTH GROUPS ARE HAVING FEWER CHILDREN,, its not the ring that makes the difference, its the income,,,, which explains how amongst EDUCATED single mothers the poverty rate is equal to that of married couples (With less education) EDUCATION and ECONOMY will always be significant to the poverty of the citizens in a country,,, Your post is almost the exact opposite of your original post which states that one should look deeper into the cause of the problem. The problem is an inner city culture of unwed teenagers having children who are growing up with little education and no respect for the law, other people, or civilization in general. This trend has grown in spite of whatever the economy did. A subculture has been created where young girls have babies without fathers. The fathers grow up to be hoodlums and the girls grow up to be unwed mothers. The pattern has gotten worse, not better. If you look much deeper into the historical data, the immigrants from various parts of the world worked their way out of poverty but some, like you, think the cure is for the taxpayer to fund the inner city problem out of poverty. It doesn't work and statistics have proven that the "Great Society" was the turning point in American history where poverty got worse, not better. Someone with a strong work ethic (instilled by parents) who will do any job to get an education and then work hard to earn a living will do well in any economy... or at least be independent until the economy gets better. An undisciplined child to a teenage mother will probably not do well regardless of the state of the economy. If you want to greatly improve the status of the inner city resident, do something to stop the teenage births because the economy has nothing to do with it. "Educate" her that having a child is not a good thing and see how well that works. This is a great post Joe....Taking your first paragraph even DEEPER  , you said, "The problem is an inner city culture of unwed teenagers having children who are growing up with little education and no respect for the law, other people, or civilization in general. This trend has grown in spite of whatever the economy did. A subculture has been created where young girls have babies without fathers. The fathers grow up to be hoodlums and the girls grow up to be unwed mothers." Across the "racial board", teenage pregnancies have actually declined in recent years...But, you need to look 'deeper' to learn where and by which race...Your example of an inner city culture consisting of unwed teen mothers, children growing up with little or no education, little or no respect for authority of any kind is exactly what makes it possible for institutional racism to survive decade after decade.... Blacks who use it as an excuse or reason for their economic woes, conveniently avoid talking about their part in keeping it alive...Sometimes I feel like the only thing black and whites alike are working to improve is their ability to rationalize negative behavior...This sub culture you speak of is cyclic and growing...It doesn't matter how far a person is willing to go to justify the rate of births to unwed mothers, current stats are alarming and tell a damning story about the continued deterioration evidenced in black communities throughout America... |
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That's exactly why I recommended mandatory BC.
Injectable preferably. They could forget or refuse to take BC pills. They can remove the patch. Rubbers are free. They didn't use em. Kids have no business having kids. |
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Edited by
willing2
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Sun 08/18/13 08:03 AM
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Some schools need to start teaching sex ed at grade 4.
The whole first year dedicate.d to learning the effects of child support. Have all the boys give 60% of their sody pop money to the girls every week. They don't have sody pop money, fine em and send em to detention. Get the parents involved. They don't give the kid sody pop money or pay the fine, send the parents to real jail. That might help the kids understand the economics of sexual irresponsibility and show the parents what should happen if their kid knocks up another one. Am I advocating having parents held responsible for their kids actions? Damned tooting! |
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For the girls, give them a 10 to 15 pound cement ball with a face painted on it.
Being kids are for life, have them pack it around 24/7 until they graduate. If, they don't want the simulated responsibility, allow them to opt out with the BC injections. They want to opt out with a simulated abortion, they must accept a simulated tubal. Dumpster the simulated kid, simulated prison and hysterectomy. In case of abuse or neglect of the simulated kid, parents should be fined |
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Edited by
msharmony
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The incredible problem of out of wedlock marriage creating a class of poverty ridden, poorly educated, crime focused individuals that have nothing to do with the economy seems to be lost to some. tell me how, if we go from say,, 400 babies being born to unwed mother to 200 babies being born to unwed mothers,, we have suddenly an 'incredible' problem yes, out of wedlock births contribute to poverty,, but out of wedlock RATES as a ratio to married births, is a totally different thing and we are having FEWER out of wedlock babies being born,,,,, even single mothers can have a very low poverty rate with education and living wages,,, It was and is a big problem. If over 70% of blacks are being born out of wedlock, their future as productive citizens is not promising. The economy has nothing to do with it. Under educated, violence prone individuals have a tough go in any economy. The loss of one parent greatly reduces the ability to earn a decent family wage. The loss of a male parent in child raising greatly reduces the chance of a kid doing well later in life. Some people raised in a single parent situation come out ok, but inner city blacks ring up frightening statistics. the problem is not an increased ratio of out of wedlock to married couple births, BOTH GROUPS ARE HAVING FEWER CHILDREN,, its not the ring that makes the difference, its the income,,,, which explains how amongst EDUCATED single mothers the poverty rate is equal to that of married couples (With less education) EDUCATION and ECONOMY will always be significant to the poverty of the citizens in a country,,, Your post is almost the exact opposite of your original post which states that one should look deeper into the cause of the problem. The problem is an inner city culture of unwed teenagers having children who are growing up with little education and no respect for the law, other people, or civilization in general. This trend has grown in spite of whatever the economy did. A subculture has been created where young girls have babies without fathers. The fathers grow up to be hoodlums and the girls grow up to be unwed mothers. The pattern has gotten worse, not better. If you look much deeper into the historical data, the immigrants from various parts of the world worked their way out of poverty but some, like you, think the cure is for the taxpayer to fund the inner city problem out of poverty. It doesn't work and statistics have proven that the "Great Society" was the turning point in American history where poverty got worse, not better. Someone with a strong work ethic (instilled by parents) who will do any job to get an education and then work hard to earn a living will do well in any economy... or at least be independent until the economy gets better. An undisciplined child to a teenage mother will probably not do well regardless of the state of the economy. If you want to greatly improve the status of the inner city resident, do something to stop the teenage births because the economy has nothing to do with it. "Educate" her that having a child is not a good thing and see how well that works. Fortunately, ongoing declines in both the teen pregnancy and the teen birth rate for non-Hispanic black teen girls suggest a more optimistic outlook, with both rates falling nearly continuously since 1990, and reaching historic lows in the most recent year (2008 for teen pregnancy and 2010 for teen births). http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/resources/pdf/FastFacts_TPChildbearing_Blacks.pdf my point,, this problem is not one that is 'growing',,,,,ite been actually DECLINING for decades,,, like say,, hiv amongst gay folks,, its happened for a long time,, its definitely no 'good thing',, but its also not a 'growing' problem,, but a declining one,,, |
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Edited by
willing2
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Facts?
From a liberal blog.  I like my idea to help put a dent in the problem. If y'all have other solutions like Hussein would say, "I'm all ears! "
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yeah , reality and liberalism linked again,,,lol Teen birth statistics reported by The National Campaign are derived from published sources. The birth data are published by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). More information about NCHS birth data is available at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/births.htm TOTALLLY 'liberal'..... 
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The problem is an inner city culture of unwed teenagers having children who are growing up with little education and no respect for the law, other people, or civilization in general. This trend has grown in spite of whatever the economy did. A subculture has been created where young girls have babies without fathers. The fathers grow up to be hoodlums and the girls grow up to be unwed mothers. The pattern has gotten worse, not better. If you look much deeper into the historical data, the immigrants from various parts of the world worked their way out of poverty but some, like you, think the cure is for the taxpayer to fund the inner city problem out of poverty. It doesn't work and statistics have proven that the "Great Society" was the turning point in American history where poverty got worse, not better. Someone with a strong work ethic (instilled by parents) who will do any job to get an education and then work hard to earn a living will do well in any economy... or at least be independent until the economy gets better. An undisciplined child to a teenage mother will probably not do well regardless of the state of the economy. If you want to greatly improve the status of the inner city resident, do something to stop the teenage births because the economy has nothing to do with it. "Educate" her that having a child is not a good thing and see how well that works. This is a great post Joe....Taking your first paragraph even DEEPER , you said, "The problem is an inner city culture of unwed teenagers having children who are growing up with little education and no respect for the law, other people, or civilization in general. This trend has grown in spite of whatever the economy did. A subculture has been created where young girls have babies without fathers. The fathers grow up to be hoodlums and the girls grow up to be unwed mothers." Across the "racial board", teenage pregnancies have actually declined in recent years...But, you need to look 'deeper' to learn where and by which race...Your example of an inner city culture consisting of unwed teen mothers, children growing up with little or no education, little or no respect for authority of any kind is exactly what makes it possible for institutional racism to survive decade after decade.... Blacks who use it as an excuse or reason for their economic woes, conveniently avoid talking about their part in keeping it alive...Sometimes I feel like the only thing black and whites alike are working to improve is their ability to rationalize negative behavior...This sub culture you speak of is cyclic and growing...It doesn't matter how far a person is willing to go to justify the rate of births to unwed mothers, current stats are alarming and tell a damning story about the continued deterioration evidenced in black communities throughout America... The racial-grievance industry and its supporters don't want to talk about "their part in keeping it alive", about the negative behavior of people who immediately cry "Racism!" whenever they are caught doing something wrong or whenever their choices result in unwanted consequences. People of poor character don't like the result of them being judged according to the content of their character, and so, they make the false claim that they are being judged according to something else. |
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The incredible problem of out of wedlock marriage creating a class of poverty ridden, poorly educated, crime focused individuals that have nothing to do with the economy seems to be lost to some. tell me how, if we go from say,, 400 babies being born to unwed mother to 200 babies being born to unwed mothers,, we have suddenly an 'incredible' problem yes, out of wedlock births contribute to poverty,, but out of wedlock RATES as a ratio to married births, is a totally different thing and we are having FEWER out of wedlock babies being born,,,,, even single mothers can have a very low poverty rate with education and living wages,,, It was and is a big problem. If over 70% of blacks are being born out of wedlock, their future as productive citizens is not promising. The economy has nothing to do with it. Under educated, violence prone individuals have a tough go in any economy. The loss of one parent greatly reduces the ability to earn a decent family wage. The loss of a male parent in child raising greatly reduces the chance of a kid doing well later in life. Some people raised in a single parent situation come out ok, but inner city blacks ring up frightening statistics. the problem is not an increased ratio of out of wedlock to married couple births, BOTH GROUPS ARE HAVING FEWER CHILDREN,, its not the ring that makes the difference, its the income,,,, which explains how amongst EDUCATED single mothers the poverty rate is equal to that of married couples (With less education) EDUCATION and ECONOMY will always be significant to the poverty of the citizens in a country,,, Your post is almost the exact opposite of your original post which states that one should look deeper into the cause of the problem. The problem is an inner city culture of unwed teenagers having children who are growing up with little education and no respect for the law, other people, or civilization in general. This trend has grown in spite of whatever the economy did. A subculture has been created where young girls have babies without fathers. The fathers grow up to be hoodlums and the girls grow up to be unwed mothers. The pattern has gotten worse, not better. If you look much deeper into the historical data, the immigrants from various parts of the world worked their way out of poverty but some, like you, think the cure is for the taxpayer to fund the inner city problem out of poverty. It doesn't work and statistics have proven that the "Great Society" was the turning point in American history where poverty got worse, not better. Someone with a strong work ethic (instilled by parents) who will do any job to get an education and then work hard to earn a living will do well in any economy... or at least be independent until the economy gets better. An undisciplined child to a teenage mother will probably not do well regardless of the state of the economy. If you want to greatly improve the status of the inner city resident, do something to stop the teenage births because the economy has nothing to do with it. "Educate" her that having a child is not a good thing and see how well that works. Fortunately, ongoing declines in both the teen pregnancy and the teen birth rate for non-Hispanic black teen girls suggest a more optimistic outlook, with both rates falling nearly continuously since 1990, and reaching historic lows in the most recent year (2008 for teen pregnancy and 2010 for teen births). http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/resources/pdf/FastFacts_TPChildbearing_Blacks.pdf my point,, this problem is not one that is 'growing',,,,,ite been actually DECLINING for decades,,, like say,, hiv amongst gay folks,, its happened for a long time,, its definitely no 'good thing',, but its also not a 'growing' problem,, but a declining one,,, You seem to have a problem understanding statistics. The out of wedlock births for blacks has exceeded 72%. Regardless of the actual number of births, the percentage has gone up dramatically ... meaning the problem has gone up dramatically. The actual number of births doesn't have that much to do with the problem. It is the "culture" of who is having the children and why ... and of course the result. You should look at the problem as "What if the unwed percentage hits 90% or 100% and look at the impact on blacks if nothing but undereducated and irresponsible citizens are produced. With enormous irony, you add racism to almost every problem discussed here but when a topic of race, such as this, rears it's ugly head, you are completely silent. The huge numbers of blacks who are having babies as teenagers are doing so because it is OK in their culture to do so. It shouldn't be. |
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Note to any Mingle2 member who lives outside the USA.
The discussion in this thread pertains only to out-of-wedlock births within the USA in general and to a specific American subculture. It is a cultural issue, not a racial issue. |
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The incredible problem of out of wedlock marriage creating a class of poverty ridden, poorly educated, crime focused individuals that have nothing to do with the economy seems to be lost to some. tell me how, if we go from say,, 400 babies being born to unwed mother to 200 babies being born to unwed mothers,, we have suddenly an 'incredible' problem yes, out of wedlock births contribute to poverty,, but out of wedlock RATES as a ratio to married births, is a totally different thing and we are having FEWER out of wedlock babies being born,,,,, even single mothers can have a very low poverty rate with education and living wages,,, It was and is a big problem. If over 70% of blacks are being born out of wedlock, their future as productive citizens is not promising. The economy has nothing to do with it. Under educated, violence prone individuals have a tough go in any economy. The loss of one parent greatly reduces the ability to earn a decent family wage. The loss of a male parent in child raising greatly reduces the chance of a kid doing well later in life. Some people raised in a single parent situation come out ok, but inner city blacks ring up frightening statistics. the problem is not an increased ratio of out of wedlock to married couple births, BOTH GROUPS ARE HAVING FEWER CHILDREN,, its not the ring that makes the difference, its the income,,,, which explains how amongst EDUCATED single mothers the poverty rate is equal to that of married couples (With less education) EDUCATION and ECONOMY will always be significant to the poverty of the citizens in a country,,, Your post is almost the exact opposite of your original post which states that one should look deeper into the cause of the problem. The problem is an inner city culture of unwed teenagers having children who are growing up with little education and no respect for the law, other people, or civilization in general. This trend has grown in spite of whatever the economy did. A subculture has been created where young girls have babies without fathers. The fathers grow up to be hoodlums and the girls grow up to be unwed mothers. The pattern has gotten worse, not better. If you look much deeper into the historical data, the immigrants from various parts of the world worked their way out of poverty but some, like you, think the cure is for the taxpayer to fund the inner city problem out of poverty. It doesn't work and statistics have proven that the "Great Society" was the turning point in American history where poverty got worse, not better. Someone with a strong work ethic (instilled by parents) who will do any job to get an education and then work hard to earn a living will do well in any economy... or at least be independent until the economy gets better. An undisciplined child to a teenage mother will probably not do well regardless of the state of the economy. If you want to greatly improve the status of the inner city resident, do something to stop the teenage births because the economy has nothing to do with it. "Educate" her that having a child is not a good thing and see how well that works. Fortunately, ongoing declines in both the teen pregnancy and the teen birth rate for non-Hispanic black teen girls suggest a more optimistic outlook, with both rates falling nearly continuously since 1990, and reaching historic lows in the most recent year (2008 for teen pregnancy and 2010 for teen births). http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/resources/pdf/FastFacts_TPChildbearing_Blacks.pdf my point,, this problem is not one that is 'growing',,,,,ite been actually DECLINING for decades,,, like say,, hiv amongst gay folks,, its happened for a long time,, its definitely no 'good thing',, but its also not a 'growing' problem,, but a declining one,,, You seem to have a problem understanding statistics. The out of wedlock births for blacks has exceeded 72%. Regardless of the actual number of births, the percentage has gone up dramatically ... meaning the problem has gone up dramatically. The actual number of births doesn't have that much to do with the problem. It is the "culture" of who is having the children and why ... and of course the result. You should look at the problem as "What if the unwed percentage hits 90% or 100% and look at the impact on blacks if nothing but undereducated and irresponsible citizens are produced. With enormous irony, you add racism to almost every problem discussed here but when a topic of race, such as this, rears it's ugly head, you are completely silent. The huge numbers of blacks who are having babies as teenagers are doing so because it is OK in their culture to do so. It shouldn't be. I actually take part in many topics that have nothing to do with race,, perhaps my race makes it SEEM to you that my main interest is race,,,who knows,, who cres but bck to the point,, it is not a GROWING problem if the number of children has been on the DECLINE if 'society' is taking care of 1000 out of wedlock children, it is taking care of 1000 out of wedlock children,, whether married couples are having 9000 babies (making the oow ratios 10% or whether married couples are having 200 babies,,,mking the oow rtio 83 percent the answer to their poverty certainly wouldn't come by way of married black couples having more children now would it? so why do we assume it would come by a lower 'oow' ratio? |
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The problem is an inner city culture of unwed teenagers having children who are growing up with little education and no respect for the law, other people, or civilization in general. This trend has grown in spite of whatever the economy did. A subculture has been created where young girls have babies without fathers. The fathers grow up to be hoodlums and the girls grow up to be unwed mothers. The pattern has gotten worse, not better. If you look much deeper into the historical data, the immigrants from various parts of the world worked their way out of poverty but some, like you, think the cure is for the taxpayer to fund the inner city problem out of poverty. It doesn't work and statistics have proven that the "Great Society" was the turning point in American history where poverty got worse, not better. Someone with a strong work ethic (instilled by parents) who will do any job to get an education and then work hard to earn a living will do well in any economy... or at least be independent until the economy gets better. An undisciplined child to a teenage mother will probably not do well regardless of the state of the economy. If you want to greatly improve the status of the inner city resident, do something to stop the teenage births because the economy has nothing to do with it. "Educate" her that having a child is not a good thing and see how well that works. This is a great post Joe....Taking your first paragraph even DEEPER , you said, "The problem is an inner city culture of unwed teenagers having children who are growing up with little education and no respect for the law, other people, or civilization in general. This trend has grown in spite of whatever the economy did. A subculture has been created where young girls have babies without fathers. The fathers grow up to be hoodlums and the girls grow up to be unwed mothers." Across the "racial board", teenage pregnancies have actually declined in recent years...But, you need to look 'deeper' to learn where and by which race...Your example of an inner city culture consisting of unwed teen mothers, children growing up with little or no education, little or no respect for authority of any kind is exactly what makes it possible for institutional racism to survive decade after decade.... Blacks who use it as an excuse or reason for their economic woes, conveniently avoid talking about their part in keeping it alive...Sometimes I feel like the only thing black and whites alike are working to improve is their ability to rationalize negative behavior...This sub culture you speak of is cyclic and growing...It doesn't matter how far a person is willing to go to justify the rate of births to unwed mothers, current stats are alarming and tell a damning story about the continued deterioration evidenced in black communities throughout America... The racial-grievance industry and its supporters don't want to talk about "their part in keeping it alive", about the negative behavior of people who immediately cry "Racism!" whenever they are caught doing something wrong or whenever their choices result in unwanted consequences. People of poor character don't like the result of them being judged according to the content of their character, and so, they make the false claim that they are being judged according to something else. some people don't like being judged,,and now that that is out of the way,,,, do you also feel women who falsely claim rape are helping keep 'rape alive'? or those who falsely claim they are stolen from are keeping 'thievery alive' and when we discuss rape , should we make sure to talk about the liars who only claim rape or when we talk about burglary, should we make sure to discuss the liars who claim theft,,, just curious how one relates to the other or how far we should go in broadening our topics to include what is relevant..... |
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Edited by
Dodo_David
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I want to explain why I believe that msharmony is correct about the percentage of out-of-wedlock births not reflecting what is happening.
Consider the following scenario. You have 10 marbles. Four of the marbles are black. The rest are white. At this time, 40% of the marbles are black. Remove two white marbles so that there are 8 marbles left. Now, 50 % of the marbles are black. Remove two more white marbles so that there are 6 marbles left. Now, 66% of the marbles are black. Remove one more white marble so that there are 5 marbles left. Now, 80% of the marbles are black. In this scenario, the percentage of black marbles keeps rising, while the actual number of black marbles remains constant. Now, restart the scenario, only substitute out-of-wedlock births for the black marbles, and substitute within-wedlock births for the white marbles. All it would take for the percentage of out-of-wedlock births to rise is for the number of within-wedlock births to go down. |
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Liberal logic.
If one year there are 100 people and 10 have 15 kids oow, there's a problem. The next year, there are 200 people and 10 have 15 kids oow, percentage have dropped. No problem. Half of em irresponsible and lazy, it's the fault of the economy. |
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There is a growing culture of irresponsible breeders.
They weren't taught, nor will the most of em teach there kids that it's despicably disrespectful to believe it's others obligation to support them. |
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Liberal logic. If one year there are 100 people and 10 have 15 kids oow, there's a problem. The next year, there are 200 people and 10 have 15 kids oow, percentage have dropped. No problem. Half of em irresponsible and lazy, it's the fault of the economy. no one said its not a problem like hiv is a problem or infant death is a problem they just aren't problems that have been GROWING |
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There is a growing culture of irresponsible breeders. They weren't taught, nor will the most of em teach there kids that it's despicably disrespectful to believe it's others obligation to support them. approximately 4 percent of the pop is on welfare,, most of them , are not on for more than six months there are no doubt people who t hink its others obligation to support them: amongst them grown children of well off parents,,, but , that has little to do with the struggle that the impoverished have nor is there proof that there is a 'growing culture' of people with such a philosophy |
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he makes good points,,,
all in all, my back goes up in the discussion of 'out of wedlock births' even though BOTH My children were born in wedlock, it didn't keep me out of poverty because their DADS were impoverished themselves so the idea that people put so much stake in the wedding status of a mother at one moment when she gives birth, to me, completely IGNORES the fact that two can support a child without marriage it disregards those that are both involved with their child without being married,, or those who get married and are still poor,,,, it just seems like a way to find a scapegoat,,with an issue which is much too complex to do so,, |
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