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I guarantee if roles were reversed and it was three white teens on an african american kid Al and Uncle Jesse would be all over this like a fat kid on a twinkie.
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the idea that raising minimum wage creates unemployment for blacks has little to back it up
That is going to come as a surprise to economists Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams. In one of his commentaries, Williams says the following: In 1950, only 50 percent of jobs were covered by the minimum wage law. That meant the minimum wage didn't have today's unemployment effect. Today nearly 100 percent are covered. Today's child labor laws prevent youngsters from working in perfectly safe environments. The minimum wage has destroyed many jobs. That's why, for example, in contrast with the past, today's gasoline stations are self-service and theater ushers are nonexistent.
Then there are super-minimum wage laws, such as the Davis-Bacon Act, which were written for the express purposes of excluding blacks from government-financed or -assisted construction projects. Labor unions have a long history of discrimination against blacks. Frederick Douglass wrote about this in "The Tyranny, Folly, and Wickedness of Labor Unions," and Booker T. Washington did so in "The Negro and the Labor Unions." To the detriment of their constituents, black politicians give support to labor laws pushed by unions and white liberal organizations. |
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what idiocy
the three youths were immediately ARRESTED for their actions,,,, end of story four youths are still alive,, all students on a drop out prevention school,,,,,,but in a dispute because one 'snitched' on another,,,, no controversy or hypocrisy involved, no one died, arrest was immediately made, the attackers weren't painted as 'overzealous', the victim wasn't drug through the mud for being a 'thug'.... NO SIMILARITY,,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 08/09/13 09:03 PM
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the idea that raising minimum wage creates unemployment for blacks has little to back it up
That is going to come as a surprise to economists Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams. In one of his commentaries, Williams says the following: In 1950, only 50 percent of jobs were covered by the minimum wage law. That meant the minimum wage didn't have today's unemployment effect. Today nearly 100 percent are covered. Today's child labor laws prevent youngsters from working in perfectly safe environments. The minimum wage has destroyed many jobs. That's why, for example, in contrast with the past, today's gasoline stations are self-service and theater ushers are nonexistent.
Then there are super-minimum wage laws, such as the Davis-Bacon Act, which were written for the express purposes of excluding blacks from government-financed or -assisted construction projects. Labor unions have a long history of discrimination against blacks. Frederick Douglass wrote about this in "The Tyranny, Folly, and Wickedness of Labor Unions," and Booker T. Washington did so in "The Negro and the Labor Unions." To the detriment of their constituents, black politicians give support to labor laws pushed by unions and white liberal organizations. yes, and in slavery days, black unemployment was lower too,,? whats the relevance? so you get more people 'working' if the status quo sets no standard for what they should be paid,,, when people actually start believing their labor is WORTH something they may actually become a tine bit pickier in what jobs they accept,,,that aint a bad thing in terms of increasing the minimum wage, though, there isn't an indication that it has caused higher unemployment for black people,,, |
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in terms of increasing the minimum wage, though, there isn't an indication that it has caused higher unemployment for black people,,,
Your argument is with Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams, not me. They are the researchers who say that minimum wage laws have harmed black Americans. Walter E. Williams |
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in terms of increasing the minimum wage, though, there isn't an indication that it has caused higher unemployment for black people,,,
Your argument is with Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams, not me. They are the researchers who say that minimum wage laws have harmed black Americans. Walter E. Williams lol oh,, well if a black man thinks it it must be true,,, I don't need to argue with them, I understand 'experts' come down on different sides of an argument all the time,,,,the relevance of these experts findings just don't hold much water with me though |
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Edited by
Mortman
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Fri 08/09/13 10:05 PM
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I guarantee if roles were reversed and it was three white teens on an african american kid Al and Uncle Jesse would be all over this like a fat kid on a twinkie. If you want to compare related incidents, how about the recent situation where a woman fired a warning shot to fend off her abusive husband, and even though she cited the "stand your ground" law, was sentenced to 20 years in prison. I didn't see "Al & Uncle Jesse" all over that, and that would've made way more sense. As are many things in life, the cases are about way more issues than race. Really, though, you're just making odd suppositions about what drives people, without any more reason than you heard it on the radio. |
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in terms of increasing the minimum wage, though, there isn't an indication that it has caused higher unemployment for black people,,,
Your argument is with Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams, not me. They are the researchers who say that minimum wage laws have harmed black Americans. Walter E. Williams lol oh,, well if a black man thinks it it must be true,,, I don't need to argue with them, I understand 'experts' come down on different sides of an argument all the time,,,,the relevance of these experts findings just don't hold much water with me though Actually, it is more like this: If people with doctorates in economics find evidence for something pertaining to economics, then they might know something that is unknown to people who aren't experts in economics. I see no reason to dismiss what the aforementioned economists have discovered (unless my preconceived ideas prevent me from accepting their discoveries [/sarc]). |
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in terms of increasing the minimum wage, though, there isn't an indication that it has caused higher unemployment for black people,,,
Your argument is with Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams, not me. They are the researchers who say that minimum wage laws have harmed black Americans. Walter E. Williams lol oh,, well if a black man thinks it it must be true,,, I don't need to argue with them, I understand 'experts' come down on different sides of an argument all the time,,,,the relevance of these experts findings just don't hold much water with me though Actually, it is more like this: If people with doctorates in economics find evidence for something pertaining to economics, then they might know something that is unknown to people who aren't experts in economics. I see no reason to dismiss what the aforementioned economists have discovered (unless my preconceived ideas prevent me from accepting their discoveries [/sarc]). here is why I see reason to dismiss it the argument is two fold, the fold they are focused on is not what holds a priority for me the fold they are focused on is strictly an UNEMPLOYMENT rate,, or how many people are not WORKING,,,,, and , as I said before, almost all blacks were WORKING during slavery days but it did little to make life better for them the second fold of the argument is,, once we do have standards that say peoples work should have a minimum VALUE,, there may be those employers who drop out unwilling or unable to pay that value and there may be workers who will no longer work for a pittance that does nothing to help them move ahead in life but that type of loss is welcome in return for PAY And EMPLOYMENT That is actually useful to the employee, and not just profitable for the employer,,, |
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in terms of increasing the minimum wage, though, there isn't an indication that it has caused higher unemployment for black people,,,
Your argument is with Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams, not me. They are the researchers who say that minimum wage laws have harmed black Americans. Walter E. Williams lol oh,, well if a black man thinks it it must be true,,, I don't need to argue with them, I understand 'experts' come down on different sides of an argument all the time,,,,the relevance of these experts findings just don't hold much water with me though Actually, it is more like this: If people with doctorates in economics find evidence for something pertaining to economics, then they might know something that is unknown to people who aren't experts in economics. I see no reason to dismiss what the aforementioned economists have discovered (unless my preconceived ideas prevent me from accepting their discoveries [/sarc]). here is why I see reason to dismiss it the argument is two fold, the fold they are focused on is not what holds a priority for me the fold they are focused on is strictly an UNEMPLOYMENT rate,, or how many people are not WORKING,,,,, and , as I said before, almost all blacks were WORKING during slavery days but it did little to make life better for them the second fold of the argument is,, once we do have standards that say peoples work should have a minimum VALUE,, there may be those employers who drop out unwilling or unable to pay that value and there may be workers who will no longer work for a pittance that does nothing to help them move ahead in life but that type of loss is welcome in return for PAY And EMPLOYMENT That is actually useful to the employee, and not just profitable for the employer,,, Entry-level pay is temporary. Getting a job enables a person to prove to an employer that the person can do work that is deserving of a higher pay rate, which is how people advance in the work place. A person cannot prove that he or she is deserving of better pay if that person can't get an entry-level job in the first place. What I see is a shift in attitude regarding jobs. Baby-boomers and generations before them didn't go around saying "I deserve . . .". Instead, they took any job that they could obtain. Dr. Williams writes the following: From 1900 to 1954, blacks were more active than whites in the labor market. Until about 1960, black male labor force participation in every age group was equal to or greater than that of whites. During that period, black teen unemployment was roughly equal to or less than white teen unemployment. As early as 1900, the duration of black unemployment was 15 percent shorter than that of whites; today it's about 30 percent longer. To do something about today's employment picture requires abandonment of sacred cows and honesty.
The typical answer given for many black problems is racial discrimination. No one argues that every vestige of racial discrimination has been eliminated. But the relevant question is: How much of what we see can be explained by discrimination? I doubt whether anyone would argue that the reason for lower unemployment, higher labor force participation and shorter duration of unemployment among blacks in the first half of the 20th century was that there was less racial discrimination. I also doubt whether anyone would argue that during earlier periods, blacks had higher education and greater skills attainment than whites. Answers must be sought elsewhere. |
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again, I see shift in attitudes too
one that says the employees time has value just like the employers and I don't see that as a bad thing |
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