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From Thomas Sowell:
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Apparently other Americans also recognize that the sources of racism are different today from what they were in the past. According to a recent Rasmussen poll, 31 percent of blacks think that most blacks are racists, while 24 percent of blacks think that most whites are racist. The difference between these percentages is not great, but it is remarkable nevertheless. After all, generations of blacks fought the white racism from which they suffered for so long. If many blacks themselves now think that most other blacks are racist, that is startling. I am starting to understand the statistics that Dr. Sowell cites. 
Thomas Sowell |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Msharmony..I wasn't going to go here because it may be TMI...but many years ago, probably before you were born, I dated my first black girlfriend. It was the late 70's and many years before it became "acceptable" to society. Everywhere we went, whether it was dinner,movie etc, we got the looks, the sneers and the ugly comments from both sides I might add. Honestly we got more grief from the black side and I had my life threatened on more than one occasion for "stealing our black women".I know first hand what racism is all about. Fast forward to my last girlfriend(4 years ago before my son became ill)who was also a beautiful black woman. We had a very close and intimate relationship. The contrast between then and now is not even close. There are no similarities at all. I have traveled all over the world and if you think REAL racism is a problem here, then I know you have not traveled outside this country very much. This isn't to say racism does not exist, there are just as many racists in the black community as in the white community,like the black panthers akin to the neo-nazi's and so on and so on. But these are small numbers of irrelevant idiots. The only REAL racists are the ones spouting the garbage to give a perception of rampant racism to push their own agenda. I don't say this to hurt or disparage you, but I would take a good look inside because I think unknowingly you have some racist tendencies you may not be aware of... 
so wait, because you got sneers and jeers from blacks for being with a black woman in a time when blacks were being persecuted and segregated and discriminated against by whites in authority and you no longer experience those jeers now,,, you are convinced racism is no longer an institutional problem? ok well, we can continue to agree to disagree I think perhaps you have some blinders on that YOu aren't aware of,,
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Msharmony..I wasn't going to go here because it may be TMI...but many years ago, probably before you were born, I dated my first black girlfriend. It was the late 70's and many years before it became "acceptable" to society. Everywhere we went, whether it was dinner,movie etc, we got the looks, the sneers and the ugly comments from both sides I might add. Honestly we got more grief from the black side and I had my life threatened on more than one occasion for "stealing our black women".I know first hand what racism is all about. Fast forward to my last girlfriend(4 years ago before my son became ill)who was also a beautiful black woman. We had a very close and intimate relationship. The contrast between then and now is not even close. There are no similarities at all. I have traveled all over the world and if you think REAL racism is a problem here, then I know you have not traveled outside this country very much. This isn't to say racism does not exist, there are just as many racists in the black community as in the white community,like the black panthers akin to the neo-nazi's and so on and so on. But these are small numbers of irrelevant idiots. The only REAL racists are the ones spouting the garbage to give a perception of rampant racism to push their own agenda. I don't say this to hurt or disparage you, but I would take a good look inside because I think unknowingly you have some racist tendencies you may not be aware of...
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Are you really so ignorant to try and convince me that if 3 white teens severely beat up a younger black teen that the media, sharpton, jackass, naacp and hollywood wouldn't be up in arms over it calling for marches and boycotts? She's not ignorant, just doesn't want to open her eyes to the truth. |
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Are you really so ignorant to try and convince me that if 3 white teens severely beat up a younger black teen that the media, sharpton, jackass, naacp and hollywood wouldn't be up in arms over it calling for marches and boycotts? She's not ignorant, just doesn't want to open her eyes to the truth. Hey, that statement is uncalled for. 
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so wait, because you got sneers and jeers from blacks for being with a black woman in a time when blacks were being persecuted and segregated and discriminated against by whites in authority and you no longer experience those jeers now,,, you are convinced racism is no longer an institutional problem? ok well, we can continue to agree to disagree I think perhaps you have some blinders on that YOu aren't aware of,,
I'm saying you have no Idea what institutional racism is...try visiting other countries and see what Institutional racism looks like. And yes I see absolutely no evidence of Institutional racism here anymore...if you can give me one legitimate example I'll listen. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 08/08/13 08:01 PM
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Are you really so ignorant to try and convince me that if 3 white teens severely beat up a younger black teen that the media, sharpton, jackass, naacp and hollywood wouldn't be up in arms over it calling for marches and boycotts? She's not ignorant, just doesn't want to open her eyes to the truth. yeah, I remember all the marches and protests Jackson and Sharpton organized around this one,,,, http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-01-27/news/ct-met-beverly-hate-crime-20120127_1_three-teens-police-charge-racist-attack NOT as I said, justice stepped in like its supposed to,, so there was no further need for escalation,,,, |
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Blacks make up only 13% of the population, yet every police dept,the senate, appellate court, and every Institution I can think of has a greater than 13% black make up. That is the opposite of institutional racism.
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Msharmony..I wasn't going to go here because it may be TMI...but many years ago, probably before you were born, I dated my first black girlfriend. It was the late 70's and many years before it became "acceptable" to society. Everywhere we went, whether it was dinner,movie etc, we got the looks, the sneers and the ugly comments from both sides I might add. Honestly we got more grief from the black side and I had my life threatened on more than one occasion for "stealing our black women".I know first hand what racism is all about. Fast forward to my last girlfriend(4 years ago before my son became ill)who was also a beautiful black woman. We had a very close and intimate relationship. The contrast between then and now is not even close. There are no similarities at all. I have traveled all over the world and if you think REAL racism is a problem here, then I know you have not traveled outside this country very much. This isn't to say racism does not exist, there are just as many racists in the black community as in the white community,like the black panthers akin to the neo-nazi's and so on and so on. But these are small numbers of irrelevant idiots. The only REAL racists are the ones spouting the garbage to give a perception of rampant racism to push their own agenda. I don't say this to hurt or disparage you, but I would take a good look inside because I think unknowingly you have some racist tendencies you may not be aware of...
so wait, because you got sneers and jeers from blacks for being with a black woman in a time when blacks were being persecuted and segregated and discriminated against by whites in authority and you no longer experience those jeers now,,, you are convinced racism is no longer an institutional problem? ok well, we can continue to agree to disagree I think perhaps you have some blinders on that YOu aren't aware of,,
to be honest here, I think you hurt your credibilty to dismiss him so quickly with what looks like a refusal to acknowledge that racism can come from any skin color....maybe you're just tired |
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so wait, because you got sneers and jeers from blacks for being with a black woman in a time when blacks were being persecuted and segregated and discriminated against by whites in authority and you no longer experience those jeers now,,, you are convinced racism is no longer an institutional problem? ok well, we can continue to agree to disagree I think perhaps you have some blinders on that YOu aren't aware of,,
I'm saying you have no Idea what institutional racism is...try visiting other countries and see what Institutional racism looks like. And yes I see absolutely no evidence of Institutional racism here anymore...if you can give me one legitimate example I'll listen. Syndicated columnist Mona Charen writes the following: From 1976 to 2004, 65 percent of executions involved whites, but whites committed only 47 percent of murders. Evidence of anti-white bias in the system? You could make such a case, and it would have as much validity as the manufactured panic about anti-black bias in America.
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Msharmony..I wasn't going to go here because it may be TMI...but many years ago, probably before you were born, I dated my first black girlfriend. It was the late 70's and many years before it became "acceptable" to society. Everywhere we went, whether it was dinner,movie etc, we got the looks, the sneers and the ugly comments from both sides I might add. Honestly we got more grief from the black side and I had my life threatened on more than one occasion for "stealing our black women".I know first hand what racism is all about. Fast forward to my last girlfriend(4 years ago before my son became ill)who was also a beautiful black woman. We had a very close and intimate relationship. The contrast between then and now is not even close. There are no similarities at all. I have traveled all over the world and if you think REAL racism is a problem here, then I know you have not traveled outside this country very much. This isn't to say racism does not exist, there are just as many racists in the black community as in the white community,like the black panthers akin to the neo-nazi's and so on and so on. But these are small numbers of irrelevant idiots. The only REAL racists are the ones spouting the garbage to give a perception of rampant racism to push their own agenda. I don't say this to hurt or disparage you, but I would take a good look inside because I think unknowingly you have some racist tendencies you may not be aware of...
so wait, because you got sneers and jeers from blacks for being with a black woman in a time when blacks were being persecuted and segregated and discriminated against by whites in authority and you no longer experience those jeers now,,, you are convinced racism is no longer an institutional problem? ok well, we can continue to agree to disagree I think perhaps you have some blinders on that YOu aren't aware of,,
to be honest here, I think you hurt your credibilty to dismiss him so quickly with what looks like a refusal to acknowledge that racism can come from any skin color....maybe you're just tired If you really want to hurt your credibility, then complain about racism while claiming that some kinds of racism are acceptable to you. |
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Are you really so ignorant to try and convince me that if 3 white teens severely beat up a younger black teen that the media, sharpton, jackass, naacp and hollywood wouldn't be up in arms over it calling for marches and boycotts? She's not ignorant, just doesn't want to open her eyes to the truth. Hey, that statement is uncalled for.
I do not agree. she is not a sole authority on racial issues. There are those of us who know just as much about it, lived thru the MLK years, and have studied the issue academically. I have, and i defintely do not agree with everything she says. I really think institutional discrimination is more complicated than racism alone. there is a whole culture now of protected classes and the information, cases that went into defining those classes certainly establish that race is certainly not the only basis on which one can be discriminated against. but I still think we need them (EEO) as far as institutional policies for those within (already hired and working together) to insure fairness in prommotion, and freedom from harassment |
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Edited by
Serchin4MyRedWine
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Thu 08/08/13 08:16 PM
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so wait, because you got sneers and jeers from blacks for being with a black woman in a time when blacks were being persecuted and segregated and discriminated against by whites in authority and you no longer experience those jeers now,,, you are convinced racism is no longer an institutional problem? ok well, we can continue to agree to disagree I think perhaps you have some blinders on that YOu aren't aware of,,
Just to set the record straight ..this was up in the north where blacks were never segregated even before the civil war...and if you excuse racism for any reason at all then I guess all the posts you make are meaningless... |
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Msharmony..I wasn't going to go here because it may be TMI...but many years ago, probably before you were born, I dated my first black girlfriend. It was the late 70's and many years before it became "acceptable" to society. Everywhere we went, whether it was dinner,movie etc, we got the looks, the sneers and the ugly comments from both sides I might add. Honestly we got more grief from the black side and I had my life threatened on more than one occasion for "stealing our black women".I know first hand what racism is all about. Fast forward to my last girlfriend(4 years ago before my son became ill)who was also a beautiful black woman. We had a very close and intimate relationship. The contrast between then and now is not even close. There are no similarities at all. I have traveled all over the world and if you think REAL racism is a problem here, then I know you have not traveled outside this country very much. This isn't to say racism does not exist, there are just as many racists in the black community as in the white community,like the black panthers akin to the neo-nazi's and so on and so on. But these are small numbers of irrelevant idiots. The only REAL racists are the ones spouting the garbage to give a perception of rampant racism to push their own agenda. I don't say this to hurt or disparage you, but I would take a good look inside because I think unknowingly you have some racist tendencies you may not be aware of...
so wait, because you got sneers and jeers from blacks for being with a black woman in a time when blacks were being persecuted and segregated and discriminated against by whites in authority and you no longer experience those jeers now,,, you are convinced racism is no longer an institutional problem? ok well, we can continue to agree to disagree I think perhaps you have some blinders on that YOu aren't aware of,,
to be honest here, I think you hurt your credibilty to dismiss him so quickly with what looks like a refusal to acknowledge that racism can come from any skin color....maybe you're just tired If you really want to hurt your credibility, then complain about racism while claiming that some kinds of racism are acceptable to you. no idea what your on about and I was not talking to you. I would appreciate no furhter attempt to pick an argument with me. As I would consider it reportable argumentative baiting/ personal attack |
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If you really want to hurt your credibility, then complain about racism while claiming that some kinds of racism are acceptable to you.
no idea what your on about and I was not talking to you. I would appreciate no furhter attempt to pick an argument with me. As I would consider it reportable argumentative baiting/ personal attack Actually, I wasn't talking about you, sweetest. I used the word "you" in a general sense. Plus, I was supporting your argument. |
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If you really want to hurt your credibility, then complain about racism while claiming that some kinds of racism are acceptable to you.
no idea what your on about and I was not talking to you. I would appreciate no furhter attempt to pick an argument with me. As I would consider it reportable argumentative baiting/ personal attack Actually, I wasn't talking about you, sweetest. I used the word "you" in a general sense. Plus, I was supporting your argument. OK sorry I thought you were questioning my credibility...when I haven't said that any type of racism is acceptable so I was totally feeling like WHAT 
thnak you for the explanation 
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Msharmony..I wasn't going to go here because it may be TMI...but many years ago, probably before you were born, I dated my first black girlfriend. It was the late 70's and many years before it became "acceptable" to society. Everywhere we went, whether it was dinner,movie etc, we got the looks, the sneers and the ugly comments from both sides I might add. Honestly we got more grief from the black side and I had my life threatened on more than one occasion for "stealing our black women".I know first hand what racism is all about. Fast forward to my last girlfriend(4 years ago before my son became ill)who was also a beautiful black woman. We had a very close and intimate relationship. The contrast between then and now is not even close. There are no similarities at all. I have traveled all over the world and if you think REAL racism is a problem here, then I know you have not traveled outside this country very much. This isn't to say racism does not exist, there are just as many racists in the black community as in the white community,like the black panthers akin to the neo-nazi's and so on and so on. But these are small numbers of irrelevant idiots. The only REAL racists are the ones spouting the garbage to give a perception of rampant racism to push their own agenda. I don't say this to hurt or disparage you, but I would take a good look inside because I think unknowingly you have some racist tendencies you may not be aware of...
so wait, because you got sneers and jeers from blacks for being with a black woman in a time when blacks were being persecuted and segregated and discriminated against by whites in authority and you no longer experience those jeers now,,, you are convinced racism is no longer an institutional problem? ok well, we can continue to agree to disagree I think perhaps you have some blinders on that YOu aren't aware of,,
to be honest here, I think you hurt your credibilty to dismiss him so quickly with what looks like a refusal to acknowledge that racism can come from any skin color....maybe you're just tired indeed I am tired, but perhaps you are too, as he and I have been discoursing for several pages and I answered the issue about INDIVIDUAL racism back on page 4,,,, |
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OK sorry I thought you were questioning my credibility...when I haven't said that any type of racism is acceptable so I was totally feeling like WHAT
thnak you for the explanation
Oh I thought he was saying how incredible you are  
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indeed I am tired, but perhaps you are too, as he and I have been discoursing for several pages and I answered the issue about INDIVIDUAL racism back on page 4,,,, I'm exhausted too...what were we talking about anyway? 
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If you really want to hurt your credibility, then complain about racism while claiming that some kinds of racism are acceptable to you.
no idea what your on about and I was not talking to you. I would appreciate no furhter attempt to pick an argument with me. As I would consider it reportable argumentative baiting/ personal attack Actually, I wasn't talking about you, sweetest. I used the word "you" in a general sense. Plus, I was supporting your argument. OK sorry I thought you were questioning my credibility...when I haven't said that any type of racism is acceptable so I was totally feeling like WHAT
thnak you for the explanation
From page #5 of this thread: So, what stops you from saying that racism is absolutely wrong? What forms of racism are acceptable to you? those which don't have an impact upon others life or livelihood |
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