really?

not for naught, but Rangels actual quote was

“It is the same group we faced in the South with those white crackers and the dogs and the police. ',,,referring to the groups of the south, called cracker in that time because of the crack of their whip(Authority),,,

do you believe him using that term eliminates the reality of how those people he used the word about treated others?

or that his individual choice of word was the REASON for them to choose to treat others that way?

,,,interesting,,,

racism as bigotry and prejudice, will be 'alive' on an individual level because people will always form correlations and prejudices based upon their PERSONAL experiences

but INSTITUTIONAL racism, the racial discrepancies in our economic institution, our educational institution , our institution of JUSTICE,, is a matter that can be corrected and greatly reduced,, if people would only have the guts to AKNWOLEDGE, DISCUSS, and REVIEW with honesty what has lead to them in the first place and address those issues that persist INSTITUTIONALLY in those institutions made predominately of INDIVIDUALS that propogate and bleed their own racist perceptions into their policies and decisions,,,

Well said and true!

I quoted Congressman Rangel accurately. He used a racial slur to describe white Americans, and you have no objection to him doing so?

A black person making a racial slur against white people or non-black people is as bad as a white person making a racial slur against black people.

If you were rally opposed to racism, then you'd be opposed to both kinds of racial slurs, not just to the latter one.

Not sure what you are saying in regard to Rangel's comments? Are you saying you agree that the Tea Party are racists like the ones in the old south?

Also how can you expect change at the institutional level when you can't even admit you have some of the biggest racists among you.

yes, referring to someones unopposed authority is JUST AS OFFENSIVE to me as referring to someones substandard human value


NOT

you lost me...no idea what that answer was about.
Hope it wasn't in response to Tea Party which is probably the least racist group in the country composed of blacks, whites and hispanics wanting smaller government and more freedom.

Im agreeing that many don't care how they look and many have an indifference to humanity as did the 'crackers' of the sixties who used their fire hoses, pepper spray, and other techniques to intimidate and oppress others

change can happen at the institutional level in SPITE of having individuals who speak words deemed 'racist'


here is the difference

I don't expect elimination at the INDIVIDUAL level, so Im not prone to discussing it or thinking much about it

I do expect people to have PERSONAL experiences, (Which IM sure Rangel had with the 'crackers' of his time) that lead to PERSONAL Perspectives of things

I don't expect that 'personal perspective' to be so absolute as to define the way they implement policy though when they are a part of any INSTITUTION or job/career holding power over peoples lives and livelihoods

well, I guess Rangel and others have a different perspective of what 'taking America BACK' might refer to,,,

To all the bigoted white haters.

The little white kid was the victim.

I find it hypocritical for a person to complain about any kind of racism if that person also claims that racism isn't absolutely wrong.

Now, I'll return to the main topic of this thread.
Three 15-year old black boys savagely beat up a 13-year-old white boy.

If the races of the assailants and the victim were reversed, would anyone be claiming that the assailants were motivated by race?

I would suggest you visit a Tea Party website or go to a rally and see for yourself rather then listen to propaganda from Obama or Rangel.
There are many prominent blacks and hispanics in the Tea Party. Senator Cruz is one that comes to mind. He is Mexican I believe and wouldn't be hanging with white racists LOL

I am also from Phila., and that is not an unreasonable scenario.

NOT IF ITS BEEN ESTABLISHED That the motivation was the victim being a 'snitch',,,,


and I can certainly complain about INSTITUTIONAL Racism without getting into a semantic and futile debate about the general 'morality' of racism in its VERY BROAD definition

from making correlations to race , as in assuming someone with brown skin is black,,,,

to making character/talent assumptions about race, as in assuming a white person cant dance or being surprised when they can

to profiling and shooting someone that made us feel 'scared' just because of our implicit racial association between their race and their danger,,,

the latter is the only one that gives me great concern,, the former seem to me to be a quite natural process of the human mind to draw conclusions and correlations from ones PERSONAL EXPERIENCES,,,that have no real impact upon anyone but the observer with the perception,,,

I don't have a particular interest in the tea party, I will leave others to form their own opinions about it either from what they have read or from what they have experienced

sidenote: I don't personally know much about senator cruz, but I hope people don't believe that racists only hang out with their own color,, there are plenty of people out there who feel like they are 'exceptional' to their race and serve as reinforcements to the racists who would otherwise not care for them

by backing up and validating what those racists think about the 'other ones',,,,

I don;t see how racism can be eliminated without it starting at the personal level. it is based in ignorance. elevating levels of personal knowledge is the only way it CAN change

and when someone does something stupid it's not because they are black or white. it's because stupidity comes in all colors

yet when you have a 3 on 1 situation and ALL perps are black...looks like racism to me.....I think it's best to simply acknowledge that racism can also come from all colors....it's not just a "white" thing

Maybe you have no interest in the Tea Party because you already have made up your mind about who or what they are from what you have "heard". Wonder if you would have interest if you heard Jesse Jackson was the president of the org. Food for thought.

individual racism exists in any race, YES

but how it manifests on an INSTITUTIONAL level is more significant because whereas I have NO POWER over a white female, for instance, as a regular lower class (socioeconomically) citizen

someone who is a JUDGE or a COP, or a DOCTOR has power over the very lives of others

the racism manifested by THOSE individuals in their roles within the institution is of much more concern to me than whether some random white citizen for instance things IM a 'feral' for ever being on assistance or raising a child alone,,,

many injustices have been addressed without the need to start at the 'individual' level,, in fact, starting at the INSTITUTIONAL level may be just as productive in trickling down to the cultural and INDIVIDUAL level

than vice versa

and can be done in much less time than addressing each individuals biases and experiences,,,

How can institutional racism be wrong and other forms of racism not be wrong?

Was it wrong for Al Sharpton to use racist commentary to encourage blacks in Harlem and Brooklyn to engage in racist activities that resulted in people dying?

Was it wrong for Congressman Rangel to recently use a racial slur against whites?

I wonder why anyone would care what group I may or may not have interest in

there are hundreds out there,,,must we take interest in them all, or cant we choose what we connect with?