Topic: Two more states allow same sex marriage.
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Fri 05/17/13 07:25 PM


Eventually all will realize that it isn't their concern to mandate who loves who as long as age and mental consent is considered. If they want to marry or have a civil union they should be able to do either or both if they want.


Civil Union was legalized last Year in Illinois and there was a huge celebration down town called "Pride Fest". This celebration is going to be going on this Saturday May 19 again this year. Activist groups are protesting against legalizing same-sex marriage in this state. If couples of same sex already have Civil Union legalized, then they don't need a marriage license. IMO


What criteria do you use to decide who needs a marriage license and who doesn't?

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Fri 05/17/13 07:46 PM





omg how is the united states so far behind?? us brits have had same sex legalised marriages for years now.nothing wrong with them.why the big hoohaa?i don't get it.good grief.gay people are allowed love and marriage just like anyone is.its no sin!!!


As you can see from this thread, some in the us are still very homophobic, so they don't even want gay people to have sex, much less marry.



I am personally not scared of anything, thus no phobia

but just as I dont 'want' brothers and sisters lying down together, I dont 'want' men lying with men and women lying with women

HOWEVER

that is irrelevant due to people having control over their own bodies and decisions, including who they bed,, I HAVE NO SAY IN THAT AND IT IS HAPPENING AND WILL HAPPEN

what I dont want is government to step in and , in effect, sanction the behaviors

anymore than I would want them to make it a crime

I accept fully that people can sleep with whomever they choose

I dont accept a culture where children will be raised to see heterosexuality as just an 'option', and homosexuality and incest as equally healthy and natural options,,,,

adults do what they want, but dont implement it into the culture as a 'protected' and therefore promoted behavior,,,


so you want adults to be free to do what they want, but at the same time want it to be ok to effectively ostracize them if they go against YOUR personal morality........you can't have it both ways here. Pick a side.



I havent suggested they be ostracized either

ostracizing would be making their behavior illegal,,,which I also oppose


Not necessarily true, for example people who work in porn movies do it legally at least in certain areas, but they are still treated as 2nd class citizens simply because of their career choices. It's the same thing for gay people. You may not wanna make their behavior illegal, but supporting unnecessary judgment on them isn't much better.

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Fri 05/17/13 08:05 PM



Eventually all will realize that it isn't their concern to mandate who loves who as long as age and mental consent is considered. If they want to marry or have a civil union they should be able to do either or both if they want.


Civil Union was legalized last Year in Illinois and there was a huge celebration down town called "Pride Fest". This celebration is going to be going on this Saturday May 19 again this year. Activist groups are protesting against legalizing same-sex marriage in this state. If couples of same sex already have Civil Union legalized, then they don't need a marriage license. IMO


What criteria do you use to decide who needs a marriage license and who doesn't?


What is the difference between the two?

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Fri 05/17/13 10:25 PM



Eventually all will realize that it isn't their concern to mandate who loves who as long as age and mental consent is considered. If they want to marry or have a civil union they should be able to do either or both if they want.


Civil Union was legalized last Year in Illinois and there was a huge celebration down town called "Pride Fest". This celebration is going to be going on this Saturday May 19 again this year. Activist groups are protesting against legalizing same-sex marriage in this state. If couples of same sex already have Civil Union legalized, then they don't need a marriage license. IMO


What criteria do you use to decide who needs a marriage license and who doesn't?



that is up to the culture

some cultures allow multiple wives
some cultures allow marriage between releatives

the culture will dictate the criteria

til recently, ours was pretty simple

1. heterosexual (to encourage commitement between potential parents, as statistics show the negative impact when children have broken homes)

2. Non related (to encourage the family structure , whereas children dont have uncle dads and aunty moms)

the criteria are there to enforce the STRONGEST IDEAL foundation for families,,,

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Fri 05/17/13 10:28 PM






omg how is the united states so far behind?? us brits have had same sex legalised marriages for years now.nothing wrong with them.why the big hoohaa?i don't get it.good grief.gay people are allowed love and marriage just like anyone is.its no sin!!!


As you can see from this thread, some in the us are still very homophobic, so they don't even want gay people to have sex, much less marry.



I am personally not scared of anything, thus no phobia

but just as I dont 'want' brothers and sisters lying down together, I dont 'want' men lying with men and women lying with women

HOWEVER

that is irrelevant due to people having control over their own bodies and decisions, including who they bed,, I HAVE NO SAY IN THAT AND IT IS HAPPENING AND WILL HAPPEN

what I dont want is government to step in and , in effect, sanction the behaviors

anymore than I would want them to make it a crime

I accept fully that people can sleep with whomever they choose

I dont accept a culture where children will be raised to see heterosexuality as just an 'option', and homosexuality and incest as equally healthy and natural options,,,,

adults do what they want, but dont implement it into the culture as a 'protected' and therefore promoted behavior,,,


so you want adults to be free to do what they want, but at the same time want it to be ok to effectively ostracize them if they go against YOUR personal morality........you can't have it both ways here. Pick a side.



I havent suggested they be ostracized either

ostracizing would be making their behavior illegal,,,which I also oppose


Not necessarily true, for example people who work in porn movies do it legally at least in certain areas, but they are still treated as 2nd class citizens simply because of their career choices. It's the same thing for gay people. You may not wanna make their behavior illegal, but supporting unnecessary judgment on them isn't much better.



so what? they are allowed to have sex with whom they want...some people dont approve of their career choice,,,,who has lived that has had everyone agree with everything they do?

that is nothing to do with the point I made

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Sat 05/18/13 07:35 AM








omg how is the united states so far behind?? us brits have had same sex legalised marriages for years now.nothing wrong with them.why the big hoohaa?i don't get it.good grief.gay people are allowed love and marriage just like anyone is.its no sin!!!


As you can see from this thread, some in the us are still very homophobic, so they don't even want gay people to have sex, much less marry.






I am personally not scared of anything, thus no phobia

but just as I dont 'want' brothers and sisters lying down together, I dont 'want' men lying with men and women lying with women

HOWEVER

that is irrelevant due to people having control over their own bodies and decisions, including who they bed,, I HAVE NO SAY IN THAT AND IT IS HAPPENING AND WILL HAPPEN

what I dont want is government to step in and , in effect, sanction the behaviors

anymore than I would want them to make it a crime

I accept fully that people can sleep with whomever they choose

I dont accept a culture where children will be raised to see heterosexuality as just an 'option', and homosexuality and incest as equally healthy and natural options,,,,

adults do what they want, but dont implement it into the culture as a 'protected' and therefore promoted behavior,,,


As we all know, homophobia can also mean having a strong dislike or aversion to homosexuality. You have that.



What a ludicrous statement! For someone to dislike an abnormal behavior does not make them phobic.


It's not ludicrous. You don't have to be afraid of homosexuals to be a homophobe. Here's the definition from merriam-webster:

Definition of HOMOPHOBIA
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

It also includes hatred toward them, which many here seem to display.


irrational?
who defines that? now i'm irrational and "homophobic"?
lol, it just pisses you off when someone can't agree with you...


You can disagree with me all you want. That's not what I'm talking about.

You have an irrational fear or aversion of anal sex. You seem obsessed with not wanting gay people to have it. That's absolutely irrational.


i think it's more irrational that you want to promote it....

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Sat 05/18/13 07:38 AM









omg how is the united states so far behind?? us brits have had same sex legalised marriages for years now.nothing wrong with them.why the big hoohaa?i don't get it.good grief.gay people are allowed love and marriage just like anyone is.its no sin!!!


As you can see from this thread, some in the us are still very homophobic, so they don't even want gay people to have sex, much less marry.






I am personally not scared of anything, thus no phobia

but just as I dont 'want' brothers and sisters lying down together, I dont 'want' men lying with men and women lying with women

HOWEVER

that is irrelevant due to people having control over their own bodies and decisions, including who they bed,, I HAVE NO SAY IN THAT AND IT IS HAPPENING AND WILL HAPPEN

what I dont want is government to step in and , in effect, sanction the behaviors

anymore than I would want them to make it a crime

I accept fully that people can sleep with whomever they choose

I dont accept a culture where children will be raised to see heterosexuality as just an 'option', and homosexuality and incest as equally healthy and natural options,,,,

adults do what they want, but dont implement it into the culture as a 'protected' and therefore promoted behavior,,,


As we all know, homophobia can also mean having a strong dislike or aversion to homosexuality. You have that.



What a ludicrous statement! For someone to dislike an abnormal behavior does not make them phobic.


It's not ludicrous. You don't have to be afraid of homosexuals to be a homophobe. Here's the definition from merriam-webster:

Definition of HOMOPHOBIA
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

It also includes hatred toward them, which many here seem to display.


irrational?
who defines that? now i'm irrational and "homophobic"?
lol, it just pisses you off when someone can't agree with you...


You can disagree with me all you want. That's not what I'm talking about.

You have an irrational fear or aversion of anal sex. You seem obsessed with not wanting gay people to have it. That's absolutely irrational.


i think it's more irrational that you want to promote it....


I'm not promoting it. It's no business what others are doing behind closed doors. I'm certainly not going to tell them not to if it's something I'm not into. It's not up to me what kind of sex they have.

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Sat 05/18/13 09:01 AM
Heck,if that keeps up,it soon will be all 57 States!laugh

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Sat 05/18/13 09:09 AM

why should they have to be 'married behind closed doors' while you enjoy marriage behind nothing.


As for 'culture' how bout freedom and justice for all, not just for heterosexuals.

I was better off having come from a broken heterosexual home, and so was my son, btw.


marriage has nothing to do with 'freedom and justice'

heterosexuality is a preference, its not a person
its like pedophile, certain 'freedoms' they dont have , they arent able to be licensed teachers,, although they are allowed to continue prefering kids,,, so long as they dont cross the line of touching them

homosexuals can do everything heterosexuals can do,, marry a woman if they are male and marry a man if they are a woman

what they want is a special consideration for their present 'preference',,,,,which IS able to change as I know several people for whom it has

gender does not,,(without extensive cost to fake)

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Sat 05/18/13 09:17 AM

why should they have to be 'married behind closed doors' while you enjoy marriage behind nothing.


As for 'culture' how bout freedom and justice for all, not just for heterosexuals.

I was better off having come from a broken heterosexual home, and so was my son, btw.


:thumbsup:

And the best argument in favor of same-sex marriage might just be the fact that there is NO compelling evidence or legitimate case against it...Civil unions grant "certain" state rights to married couples, they do nothing to protect them at the federal level...Fact is, marriage creates a "group" ...This action or circumstance absolutely makes the issue of gay marriage in America political and legal as it relates to rights and privileges, not religious or cultural as it relates to morality and ethics...

Also, pro or con, stating reasons and opinions based on personal views about the sanctity of marriage, certain sexual acts, morality, or religious views DOES NOT define a person....Naming or labeling people who express their thoughts on such an important issue has no place in the argument and is only counterproductive to finding solutions...

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Sat 05/18/13 09:18 AM

Heck,if that keeps up,it soon will be all 57 States!laugh



I have no doubt it will. Much like the womens movement changed the working woman from an option to a mandate , coupled with the sexual revolution which took away stigma from people who slept around

we will once again give in to the flesh and its desires,, REFUSING To ever aknowledge or be honest about the potential long term damage that happens to the family

thanx to removing stigma from 'consentual' sex, we have a whole lot more unwanted children roaming around from parents who 'consented' but never committed or loved each other,,, and we have alot more two parent homes where the parents are raising children with the THINGS They earn from both working

,,society will never admit how far these 'freedoms' went in breaking up the family foundation,, and this will be no different

so,, now, when from a young age children have in their head that homosexual behavior is EQUAL to heterosexual behavior, that stigma wont be in their head and more of them will follow that path at the first inkling that they MAY be feeling something for the same sex


and, we will have many many more children being raised with either no mother or no father,, which are both statistically making lives harder for children psychologically and economically

,,but as long as we have this imaginary 'right' to be married,,

and this 'requirement' to have a paying job

and this 'right' to bed anyone else who is consenting,,,

,,,,we are on the right track,, right?frustrated frustrated

we all already have the right to love and commit to whom we want

that is a 'right',, but we dont have a 'right' to diectate who has to give us a license and who doesnt, who has to VALIDATE our preference,,


governbment should have stayed out of it and let homosexuals continue their behavior and their lifestyles just like heterosexuals do,,,,,but this is a fight to force a cultural change to accept and remove stigma from homosexual sex,,,,

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Sat 05/18/13 09:19 AM

Heck,if that keeps up,it soon will be all 57 States!laugh


rofl

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Sat 05/18/13 09:23 AM


why should they have to be 'married behind closed doors' while you enjoy marriage behind nothing.


As for 'culture' how bout freedom and justice for all, not just for heterosexuals.

I was better off having come from a broken heterosexual home, and so was my son, btw.


:thumbsup:

And the best argument in favor of same-sex marriage might just be the fact that there is NO compelling evidence or legitimate case against it...Civil unions grant "certain" state rights to married couples, they do nothing to protect them at the federal level...Fact is, marriage creates a "group" ...This action or circumstance absolutely makes the issue of gay marriage in America political and legal as it relates to rights and privileges, not religious or cultural as it relates to morality and ethics...

Also, pro or con, stating reasons and opinions based on personal views about the sanctity of marriage, certain sexual acts, morality, or religious views DOES NOT define a person....Naming or labeling people who express their thoughts on such an important issue has no place in the argument and is only counterproductive to finding solutions...



'compelling' is a subjective call

much like incest has 'physical' increased risks that cause peopel to object to legalizing ineestuous marriage

homosexual activity, SPECIFICALLY, msm also has those increased risks

,,,but LGBT manages to keep that pretty much under wraps and quiet,,,,

..so brothers and sisters maight stil be sleeping with each other, but citizens in THIS culture, both religious and non religious would probablly oppose the government stepping in and giving them LICENSE and PRIVILIGE for that choice

,,it is no different with homosexual activity,,,although people love to try to discard it by just pointing the finger at religion,,

mightymoe's photo
Sat 05/18/13 09:23 AM


why should they have to be 'married behind closed doors' while you enjoy marriage behind nothing.


As for 'culture' how bout freedom and justice for all, not just for heterosexuals.

I was better off having come from a broken heterosexual home, and so was my son, btw.


marriage has nothing to do with 'freedom and justice'

heterosexuality is a preference, its not a person
its like pedophile, certain 'freedoms' they dont have , they arent able to be licensed teachers,, although they are allowed to continue prefering kids,,, so long as they dont cross the line of touching them

homosexuals can do everything heterosexuals can do,, marry a woman if they are male and marry a man if they are a woman

what they want is a special consideration for their present 'preference',,,,,which IS able to change as I know several people for whom it has

gender does not,,(without extensive cost to fake)



I agree... people choose a lifestyle, then demand everyone else bend to their whims... in a country with almost a half a billion people, everyone is not going to be happy... when you give to one group, your taking away from another...

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Sat 05/18/13 10:13 AM


why should they have to be 'married behind closed doors' while you enjoy marriage behind nothing.


As for 'culture' how bout freedom and justice for all, not just for heterosexuals.

I was better off having come from a broken heterosexual home, and so was my son, btw.


marriage has nothing to do with 'freedom and justice'

heterosexuality is a preference, its not a person
its like pedophile, certain 'freedoms' they dont have , they arent able to be licensed teachers,, although they are allowed to continue prefering kids,,, so long as they dont cross the line of touching them

homosexuals can do everything heterosexuals can do,, marry a woman if they are male and marry a man if they are a woman

what they want is a special consideration for their present 'preference',,,,,which IS able to change as I know several people for whom it has

gender does not,,(without extensive cost to fake)


A preference is the selection of one thing over another...Perhaps "believing" homosexuality is a choice is a big part of why we disagree Harmony..If you have solid proof that sexual orientation is a NOT genetic, feel free to share...

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Sat 05/18/13 10:34 AM
I demand the right to have multiple (working) wives.

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Sat 05/18/13 10:40 AM

I demand the right to have multiple (working) wives.


Service or manufacturing industry?bigsmile

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Sat 05/18/13 10:47 AM



why should they have to be 'married behind closed doors' while you enjoy marriage behind nothing.


As for 'culture' how bout freedom and justice for all, not just for heterosexuals.

I was better off having come from a broken heterosexual home, and so was my son, btw.


marriage has nothing to do with 'freedom and justice'

heterosexuality is a preference, its not a person
its like pedophile, certain 'freedoms' they dont have , they arent able to be licensed teachers,, although they are allowed to continue prefering kids,,, so long as they dont cross the line of touching them

homosexuals can do everything heterosexuals can do,, marry a woman if they are male and marry a man if they are a woman

what they want is a special consideration for their present 'preference',,,,,which IS able to change as I know several people for whom it has

gender does not,,(without extensive cost to fake)


A preference is the selection of one thing over another...Perhaps "believing" homosexuality is a choice is a big part of why we disagree Harmony..If you have solid proof that sexual orientation is a NOT genetic, feel free to share...


Over the years I have read a number of scientific papers on the topic by authors who tried to distance themselves from the PC version of homosexuality. The PC version is that homosexuals are normal.

The main cause appears to be genetic. There are some strong other factors also such as the mother being subjected to high levels of stress during pregnancy. Certain hormones appear to "turn on" certain parts of development of the human body and stress hormones can trigger defects in normal development. Environment of upbringing plays a role also.

From Wiki:

The relationship between biology and sexual orientation is a subject of research. A simple and singular determinant for sexual orientation has not been conclusively demonstrated—various studies point to different, even conflicting positions—but research suggests that a combination of genetic, hormonal and social factors determine sexual orientation.[1][2] Biological theories for explaining the causes of sexual orientation are more popular,[1] and biological factors may involve a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment.[3] These factors, which may be related to the development of a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual orientation, include genes, prenatal hormones, and brain structure.

From Thinkprogress

A new study suggests that homosexuality can be explained by biology, though not by genes specifically. Instead, the researchers propose that there are sex-specific epi-marks on the genes that are triggered during fetal development to maintain a hormone level balance. These switches cause fluctuations in DNA expression that impacts sexual development, including sexual identity and various other gender characteristics. These switches help protect both the fetus and the mother from the natural variation in sex hormone levels present during fetal development, which could help explain why homosexuality has evolved as a common variation of human identity.

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Sat 05/18/13 10:47 AM



why should they have to be 'married behind closed doors' while you enjoy marriage behind nothing.


As for 'culture' how bout freedom and justice for all, not just for heterosexuals.

I was better off having come from a broken heterosexual home, and so was my son, btw.


:thumbsup:

And the best argument in favor of same-sex marriage might just be the fact that there is NO compelling evidence or legitimate case against it...Civil unions grant "certain" state rights to married couples, they do nothing to protect them at the federal level...Fact is, marriage creates a "group" ...This action or circumstance absolutely makes the issue of gay marriage in America political and legal as it relates to rights and privileges, not religious or cultural as it relates to morality and ethics...

Also, pro or con, stating reasons and opinions based on personal views about the sanctity of marriage, certain sexual acts, morality, or religious views DOES NOT define a person....Naming or labeling people who express their thoughts on such an important issue has no place in the argument and is only counterproductive to finding solutions...



'compelling' is a subjective call

much like incest has 'physical' increased risks that cause peopel to object to legalizing ineestuous marriage

homosexual activity, SPECIFICALLY, msm also has those increased risks

,,,but LGBT manages to keep that pretty much under wraps and quiet,,,,

..so brothers and sisters maight stil be sleeping with each other, but citizens in THIS culture, both religious and non religious would probablly oppose the government stepping in and giving them LICENSE and PRIVILIGE for that choice

,,it is no different with homosexual activity,,,although people love to try to discard it by just pointing the finger at religion,,


STD's are not exclusive to gay men and women..Prevalence in gay men is not a reason to deny same-sex marriage...In fact, it could help to decrease occurance....

This incest flag you keep waving has no merit either...Talk about apples to oranges.....

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Sat 05/18/13 10:48 AM


I demand the right to have multiple (working) wives.


Service or manufacturing industry?bigsmile

waving flowerforyou

Service.
I done manufactured enough kids.