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No matter how you try to explain it, I just don't find bigotry acceptable. Definition of BIGOT : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance no hatred or intolerance her of a person,, but I do have intolerance for certain behaviors,,, anyone claiming they dont is most definitely lying, to others and themselves,,, |
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No matter how you try to explain it, I just don't find bigotry acceptable. Definition of BIGOT : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance no hatred or intolerance her of a person,, but I do have intolerance for certain behaviors,,, anyone claiming they dont is most definitely lying, to others and themselves,,, You certainly fit this part: "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices." |
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No matter how you try to explain it, I just don't find bigotry acceptable. Definition of BIGOT : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance no hatred or intolerance her of a person,, but I do have intolerance for certain behaviors,,, anyone claiming they dont is most definitely lying, to others and themselves,,, You certainly fit this part: "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices." I will take that above someone who has nothing they are devoted to,,,besides live and let live sounds good in theory, in real time, it has terrible cultural consequences,,, |
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Nope. This thread was about gay marriage. It is not about bestiality, incest, polygamy or pedophilia. You keep bringing up these things which have nothing to do with homosexuality. I asked you in the beginning to stay on topic and you've refused. I get that there is no way to get you to stay on topic, as you will continue to try to equate these things to homosexuality. Sorry, but normal people do not think these things are the same. and once 'normal' people didnt think sodomy was the same as heterosexual sex,,,,, the topic is same sex marriage and these are the issues that concern me about it,, topics often go in many tangents based upon where the replies take it,, and I am as much responding to the replies as to the original post,,,, Heterosexuals have anal sex. Again, these issues are not about homosexuality. Perhaps you should create a thread about them if you'd like to continue to discuss them. Then you'll be on topic. heterosexuals have anal sex, but we cant assume that heterosexualsare going to have it or that they will have it regularly I know heterosexuals who dont engage in the activity at all the only SEXUAL PENETRATION homosexual males can have is anal,,,big differnece,,,' I am on topic, because I want no government sanction that predicates peoples rights on whether they have CONSUMMATED an anal sexual experience,,,, You seem really obsessed with anal sex for some reason. well , vaginal sex is hard to be obsessed about, without it I wouldnt be here in the discussion on homosexuality, I think the anal sex is the primary behavior that has good reason to be discouraged and to offend,,,, |
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I find msharmony's arguments more sustainable than the others.
This whole marriage hoopla is about them forcing their unnatural ways as a viable option for life, which it is not. But ya'll have beat this horse up pretty much. They should take the civil union option. Which won't matter as I don't see how the SCOTUS can deny them marriage. |
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I find msharmony's arguments more sustainable than the others. This whole marriage hoopla is about them forcing their unnatural ways as a viable option for life, which it is not. But ya'll have beat this horse up pretty much. They should take the civil union option. Which won't matter as I don't see how the SCOTUS can deny them marriage. well nothingin the constitution addresses or defines marriage SPECIFICALLY< so it could be argued to be a state matter,,,,, |
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That would be an interesting ruling.
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Nope. This thread was about gay marriage. It is not about bestiality, incest, polygamy or pedophilia. You keep bringing up these things which have nothing to do with homosexuality. I asked you in the beginning to stay on topic and you've refused. I get that there is no way to get you to stay on topic, as you will continue to try to equate these things to homosexuality. Sorry, but normal people do not think these things are the same. and once 'normal' people didnt think sodomy was the same as heterosexual sex,,,,, the topic is same sex marriage and these are the issues that concern me about it,, topics often go in many tangents based upon where the replies take it,, and I am as much responding to the replies as to the original post,,,, Heterosexuals have anal sex. Again, these issues are not about homosexuality. Perhaps you should create a thread about them if you'd like to continue to discuss them. Then you'll be on topic. heterosexuals have anal sex, but we cant assume that heterosexualsare going to have it or that they will have it regularly I know heterosexuals who dont engage in the activity at all the only SEXUAL PENETRATION homosexual males can have is anal,,,big differnece,,,' I am on topic, because I want no government sanction that predicates peoples rights on whether they have CONSUMMATED an anal sexual experience,,,, You seem really obsessed with anal sex for some reason. well , vaginal sex is hard to be obsessed about, without it I wouldnt be here in the discussion on homosexuality, I think the anal sex is the primary behavior that has good reason to be discouraged and to offend,,,, This is just my definition of an -Ism: you take one aspect of a person and judge the entire person on that one thing. For example, if I were to say that I am better than you because, after all, you are just a sheila that would be sexism; or I am better than you because you are black, that would be racism; when we both know that there are a myriad of ways I am better than you (lol); to say oh you might have anal sex therefore you are somehow less than me and should not have equal rights, strikes me as an -ism. There is no van that drives around suburban cul-de-sacs and at dusk, a group of homosexuals creep out of it, with black hoods and black robes, with matching pumps. The sneak into your house, as the family is just sitting down to dinner and proceed to start f*ing each other in the azz, right in front of the children....and so another American family is destroyed. |
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Nope. This thread was about gay marriage. It is not about bestiality, incest, polygamy or pedophilia. You keep bringing up these things which have nothing to do with homosexuality. I asked you in the beginning to stay on topic and you've refused. I get that there is no way to get you to stay on topic, as you will continue to try to equate these things to homosexuality. Sorry, but normal people do not think these things are the same. and once 'normal' people didnt think sodomy was the same as heterosexual sex,,,,, the topic is same sex marriage and these are the issues that concern me about it,, topics often go in many tangents based upon where the replies take it,, and I am as much responding to the replies as to the original post,,,, Heterosexuals have anal sex. Again, these issues are not about homosexuality. Perhaps you should create a thread about them if you'd like to continue to discuss them. Then you'll be on topic. heterosexuals have anal sex, but we cant assume that heterosexualsare going to have it or that they will have it regularly I know heterosexuals who dont engage in the activity at all the only SEXUAL PENETRATION homosexual males can have is anal,,,big differnece,,,' I am on topic, because I want no government sanction that predicates peoples rights on whether they have CONSUMMATED an anal sexual experience,,,, You seem really obsessed with anal sex for some reason. well , vaginal sex is hard to be obsessed about, without it I wouldnt be here in the discussion on homosexuality, I think the anal sex is the primary behavior that has good reason to be discouraged and to offend,,,, This is just my definition of an -Ism: you take one aspect of a person and judge the entire person on that one thing. For example, if I were to say that I am better than you because, after all, you are just a sheila that would be sexism; or I am better than you because you are black, that would be racism; when we both know that there are a myriad of ways I am better than you (lol); to say oh you might have anal sex therefore you are somehow less than me and should not have equal rights, strikes me as an -ism. There is no van that drives around suburban cul-de-sacs and at dusk, a group of homosexuals creep out of it, with black hoods and black robes, with matching pumps. The sneak into your house, as the family is just sitting down to dinner and proceed to start f*ing each other in the azz, right in front of the children....and so another American family is destroyed. Im surprised you arent reading more closely TB, because I have respect for your intelligence as I have posted numerous times, I Agree that people are complex and not the result of any one thing about them,,,,I do not believe in judging the PERSON, and I feel that can be a totally seperate thing from judging actions and behaviors so, you are correct, IF I say,, you are scum because you are not black,, or I am better than you because I am black,, that is an ism as 1.none of us had ANY say in who our ancestors were and 2. I have made a judgment about you as a person based upon only one in a long list of things that describe you on the contrary,, if I say,,,,, you are doing wrong by sleeping with your sister, that is not an ism as I am not making any judgment on you as a person, I am making a judgment about a behavior that would be wrong regardless of the person doing it I know humans are imperfect, and I know humans make bad choices, wrong choices, unhealthy choices,, I dont equate that with being how that person is defined as a human being though and I dont subscribe to treating individuals with less than decency and respect and civility which I am able to do without having to give up my human ability to recognize or identify with which behaviors are acceptable/unacceptabl, healthy/unhealthy, or wrong/right,,, equal rights means you have an EQUAL Right, we all currently have the right to marry the opposite gender,,, but now we want an ADDITONAL right to marry whomever we love regardless of gender,,,, ,,,some will never see the difference between an equal right and an additional right, I have tired of repeating it at this point,,,, as to the van driving around,, there doesnt need to be,, once a behavior is introduced into society as legally protected, as normal, acceptable, etc,, it becomes a behavior that can be promoted , sanctioned, and mandated to be taught to children as such that is where the threat to family comes in,,,,, |
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Well put.
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I believe we can agree to disagree, which we usually do. I believe your argument is a slippery slope, ala Rick Santourium. In the States where cannabis has been legalized, has there been efforts to promote it and mandate it? Have I missed the TV ads promoting anal sex? Does a book about having two daddy's promote anal sex? The only time I ever saw it promoted was in de Sade's 100 days of sodom. I have had anal sex- with a WOMAN- and truthfully, I couldn't tell the difference (but that is another story). It seems to me it is a question of Live and Let Live or Live My Way. It reminds me of a lawsuit where some zealots tried to have an adult bookshop closed down in there neighborhood (I think it was in Utah). They failed in court when the shop owner demonstrated that the amount of porn consumed in the neighboring hotels was much more than his business and therefore he was not out of the ordinary for the area. Also, a friend of mine once tried to get me to smoke pot, I didn't and don't, and I have all the confidence in you as someone who raised her children well.
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I believe we can agree to disagree, which we usually do. I believe your argument is a slippery slope, ala Rick Santourium. In the States where cannabis has been legalized, has there been efforts to promote it and mandate it? Have I missed the TV ads promoting anal sex? Does a book about having two daddy's promote anal sex? The only time I ever saw it promoted was in de Sade's 100 days of sodom. I have had anal sex- with a WOMAN- and truthfully, I couldn't tell the difference (but that is another story). It seems to me it is a question of Live and Let Live or Live My Way. It reminds me of a lawsuit where some zealots tried to have an adult bookshop closed down in there neighborhood (I think it was in Utah). They failed in court when the shop owner demonstrated that the amount of porn consumed in the neighboring hotels was much more than his business and therefore he was not out of the ordinary for the area. Also, a friend of mine once tried to get me to smoke pot, I didn't and don't, and I have all the confidence in you as someone who raised her children well. we can always agree to disagree. Schools arent usually in the busiess of promoting drug use period. That is a medical issue. They do, however, promote 'family' and the definitions of family, they also promote sex, via sex education. Promoting homosexuality IS promoting homosexual sexual activity,, no way around it. prommoting alternate family and sexual structures does quit a bit to diminish and dilute the significance of basic family and sexual structures Im concerned with the message being sent and its affect in the long run on families and peoples sexual habits,,,,which do sometimes result in new lives and new diseases as well,,, and I will have to just go 'against the grain' in raising my daughter,,,but I know I am not alone in feeling I shouldnt have to just to appease someone elses desire to force their lifestyle to be accepted into the culture as normal and worthy of 'protection' |
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Again, I fail to see how, for example, education equals promoting, its goal is to teach tolerance. What do you think a child's response to education would be- I will make it multiple guess:
1. Hey Mom, Sissy down the road has two mommys, can I have another mommy too, everyone is doing it, uh please! 2. Hey Mom, Sissy down the road has two mommys, let beat them up for breaking g-d's word about loving each other. 3. Hey Mom, guess what I learned in school today, Ewwwwwwww! 4. Hey Mom, Sissy down the road mother is gay. |
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Again, I fail to see how, for example, education equals promoting, its goal is to teach tolerance. What do you think a child's response to education would be- I will make it multiple guess: 1. Hey Mom, Sissy down the road has two mommys, can I have another mommy too, everyone is doing it, uh please! 2. Hey Mom, Sissy down the road has two mommys, let beat them up for breaking g-d's word about loving each other. 3. Hey Mom, guess what I learned in school today, Ewwwwwwww! 4. Hey Mom, Sissy down the road mother is gay. or, why doesnt sissy have a father? IM gonna have a child without a father too,,,,, or,, can I have a girlfriend too, boys are yucky.... or any number of other hypotheticals but yea, introducing it in school as just another type of family,, does promote the idea that its an equal and healthy option,, which it isnt proven to be at all,,,, similar to how introducting sex ed beyond the basic biology of how we get here,, passing out condoms for instance,, did much to encourage the acceptibility of casual sex amongst kids,, as long as it was 'safe' .....we will disagree all day long about the repurcussions, I am raising a daughter, I see her response to stimuli from school and the culture and her environment,, they are like sponges Im concerned of the message it sends,, its one thing to say be tolerant of it,, its another to say there is nothing wrong or unhealthy about it,,,, |
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Do you still think boys are yucky, or is it just me you find yucky? LOL. Most of what you point out are knee-jerk reactions. Was condom promotion started out of fear of AIDs; did you know that at one point it was almost gone from most Gay communities. (It is quite an education to read about the emotional turmoil that brought it back) But we still need protection from the Gays, I guess. Did you see that guy from Dobson's Focus on the Family (for background read Repubilican Gemorrah) give evidence in the Senate about the unhealthy Gay lifestyle? Did you see Sen. Franken tear him a new one (pun intended to satisfy your obsession) for quoting reports and studies which in fact did not support his position and never disparged the Gay lifestyle?
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well lets think about why they want to marry in the first place...its because they want to same rights as other married couples...they want their partners to be able to get the same benefits as others if and when one dies...why shouldn't they have the same rights as the rest of us?? perhaps if we relented on that the the push for same sex marriage would not be such a big thing right now...as far as children are concerned i honestly do not believe it makes a child bad or good or straight or gay. It is how they are raised. Children just want to be loved and protected...we live in a time where it really doesn't matter if its two men two women a man and a woman or just one parent alone. I feel the same about when people feel homosexuals should not adopt. I have yet to see proof where this hurts children. I have been working with children for over twelve years and I have seen all manners of children. In the end, they want someone to want them love them protect them...i have even watch children of various ages be raised in a home with a same sex couple from the time two of them were infants until their current age of 9 and 10. They have other siblings as well we were taken in by the couple when they were 5 7 and 13, now they are 15, 17, and 23. If were living in different times maybe I would feel differently about it, but we are not. We live in a world where there are a variety of people, cultures, and beliefs. Many of us who claim to believe in God and follow his ways are breaking one of his laws by casting judgement to begin with. The world is changing...we cannot stop it. I like to believe in the end it will be a positive change but I also know there is a possibility that people will allow their hate for change to interfere. By no means am I saying that anyone's opinion is wrong, thats the great thing about our country is our ability to speak our opinion. This one just happens to be mine. I guess my opinion would change if I actually worked with children who's lives have been destroyed by all this. Anyway I'm hopeful for the future that some day this will be one of those arguments that will be laid to rest because its getting old. Granted it could take many years for that to happen but its like I said...I'm hopeful because without hope there would be nothing. Have fab day everyone!  the bible never says not to cast judgment, we are given brains so we can judge right from wron,, it is not judging a PERSON to judge their action or behavior,, right and wrong are right and wrong regardless of the PERSON doing it as is healthy and unhealthy, its not a judgement of a person I have two close relatives living this lifestyle, they are two very wonderful people whom I love, but that doesnt mean I have to be brainwashed into accepting msm as normal, healthy or ok,,,, or that I want society to be endoctrinated into that belief by force of law... I have another who lived it the first forty years of their life before transitioning into a heterosexual lifestyle,,,,, doesnt matter, its gonna happen, we will continue to pretend that a sexual preference is as biological and definitive and unalterable as gender,,, and we are gonna pay, one way or the other one yes it does talk about judging others: here are few Luke 6:37,matthew 7:1-5, James 4:11-12...there are quite a few actually but that is neither here or there..you are right that we are given brains so that we are able to make choices. you are judging a person when you judge their actions or behaviors because our behavior and actions make use who we are among other things that also contribute. Why worry about a lifestyle that does not affect you?? no one is trying to brainwash anyone into changing their personal beliefs on the subject at hand. No one is pressuring you to support same sex marriage...all they are asking is respect their lifestyle as they respect yours...its not too much to ask. I am not homosexual but I do respect their beliefs and I want people to respect my beliefs whether they agree with it or not. The world is not going to stop spinning because of same sex marriage. Our economy will not fall apart because of same sex marriage in fact if anything the states who legalize it may get a little boost in theirs because many people may choose to move to a state where their marriage will be recognized. We all have the consequences of every decision we make, this will be no different. Why do you care about what happens behind other people's closed doors anyway?? I don't believe anything I do in the bedroom affects anyone but me and my significant other the same goes with same sex couples...what they do behind closed doors is their own business not ours. I disagree, that is what the bible warns against our actions do not make 'who we are' because our actions are choices that can change in any given moment,, 'who we are' is much more complex than anyone choice or string of choices,, that is why I can judge ACTIONS , that is why I Can say I have loved ones who are wonderful PEOPLE but engaged in this deviant lifestyle,,, one is a judgement of the person (wonderful) the other is a judgment of their actions and behaviors,,, I dont care what happens behind closed doors, I do care what is endoctrinated into my childs values and standards by society... what the GOVERNMENT mandates to be endoctrinated into my childs values and standards and education is very much a concern of mine,,, okay, so are you worried about how it may presentrf in the school system?? I believe schools should teach tolerance because it is wrong to hurt a person because they are different or to shun a person because they are different. The same could be said about children with mental disorders. Children should be taught that there are people who are different from them...you don't have to like them but you do have to respect them. |
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Leigh2154
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well lets think about why they want to marry in the first place...its because they want to same rights as other married couples...they want their partners to be able to get the same benefits as others if and when one dies...why shouldn't they have the same rights as the rest of us?? perhaps if we relented on that the the push for same sex marriage would not be such a big thing right now...as far as children are concerned i honestly do not believe it makes a child bad or good or straight or gay. It is how they are raised. Children just want to be loved and protected...we live in a time where it really doesn't matter if its two men two women a man and a woman or just one parent alone. I feel the same about when people feel homosexuals should not adopt. I have yet to see proof where this hurts children. I have been working with children for over twelve years and I have seen all manners of children. In the end, they want someone to want them love them protect them...i have even watch children of various ages be raised in a home with a same sex couple from the time two of them were infants until their current age of 9 and 10. They have other siblings as well we were taken in by the couple when they were 5 7 and 13, now they are 15, 17, and 23. If were living in different times maybe I would feel differently about it, but we are not. We live in a world where there are a variety of people, cultures, and beliefs. Many of us who claim to believe in God and follow his ways are breaking one of his laws by casting judgement to begin with. The world is changing...we cannot stop it. I like to believe in the end it will be a positive change but I also know there is a possibility that people will allow their hate for change to interfere. By no means am I saying that anyone's opinion is wrong, thats the great thing about our country is our ability to speak our opinion. This one just happens to be mine. I guess my opinion would change if I actually worked with children who's lives have been destroyed by all this. Anyway I'm hopeful for the future that some day this will be one of those arguments that will be laid to rest because its getting old. Granted it could take many years for that to happen but its like I said...I'm hopeful because without hope there would be nothing. Have fab day everyone! the bible never says not to cast judgment, we are given brains so we can judge right from wron,, it is not judging a PERSON to judge their action or behavior,, right and wrong are right and wrong regardless of the PERSON doing it as is healthy and unhealthy, its not a judgement of a person I have two close relatives living this lifestyle, they are two very wonderful people whom I love, but that doesnt mean I have to be brainwashed into accepting msm as normal, healthy or ok,,,, or that I want society to be endoctrinated into that belief by force of law... I have another who lived it the first forty years of their life before transitioning into a heterosexual lifestyle,,,,, doesnt matter, its gonna happen, we will continue to pretend that a sexual preference is as biological and definitive and unalterable as gender,,, and we are gonna pay, one way or the other one yes it does talk about judging others: here are few Luke 6:37,matthew 7:1-5, James 4:11-12...there are quite a few actually but that is neither here or there..you are right that we are given brains so that we are able to make choices. you are judging a person when you judge their actions or behaviors because our behavior and actions make use who we are among other things that also contribute. Why worry about a lifestyle that does not affect you?? no one is trying to brainwash anyone into changing their personal beliefs on the subject at hand. No one is pressuring you to support same sex marriage...all they are asking is respect their lifestyle as they respect yours...its not too much to ask. I am not homosexual but I do respect their beliefs and I want people to respect my beliefs whether they agree with it or not. The world is not going to stop spinning because of same sex marriage. Our economy will not fall apart because of same sex marriage in fact if anything the states who legalize it may get a little boost in theirs because many people may choose to move to a state where their marriage will be recognized. We all have the consequences of every decision we make, this will be no different. Why do you care about what happens behind other people's closed doors anyway?? I don't believe anything I do in the bedroom affects anyone but me and my significant other the same goes with same sex couples...what they do behind closed doors is their own business not ours. I disagree, that is what the bible warns against our actions do not make 'who we are' because our actions are choices that can change in any given moment,, 'who we are' is much more complex than anyone choice or string of choices,, that is why I can judge ACTIONS , that is why I Can say I have loved ones who are wonderful PEOPLE but engaged in this deviant lifestyle,,, one is a judgement of the person (wonderful) the other is a judgment of their actions and behaviors,,, I dont care what happens behind closed doors, I do care what is endoctrinated into my childs values and standards by society... what the GOVERNMENT mandates to be endoctrinated into my childs values and standards and education is very much a concern of mine,,, The Sate Board of Education decides policy for teaching Sex Ed based on compliance with state policy and the best interest of the children...Obviously, what is taught varies from state to state...Thirty-five states currently mandate Sex Education or HIV-STD Prevention or a combination of both...Sex Ed is typically taught by Health and Physical Education teachers...Occasionally, Biology teachers, guidance counselors, and social workers teach it too... In the early years, many parents were vehemently opposed to Sex Ed and most schools stopped teaching it...Then, in the mid 1980's, widespread recognition that HIV could be transmitted through sexual intercourse made it politically untenable to argue against it...The Surgeon General called for sex education to begin as early as the 3rd grade and to INCLUDE INFORMATION ON HETEROSEXUAL AND HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS...Within 10 or 12 years, 34 states and the District of Columbia had laws in place that REQUIRED schools to provide SEXUALITY education...Nevada is one of those states Harmony...Nevada is also one of several states that have an Opt-In policy that requires parental permission...To me, this means you have the final say about how your kids are educated on the subject of sex...If you are opposed to having your children exposed to information about homosexuality that is being presented and taught by qualified educators under well regulated guidelines, just say no...Homosexuality is not contagious and the responsibility of teaching right from wrong belongs to parents, not schools... |
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Jeanniebean
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...and the responsibility of teaching right from wrong belongs to parents, not schools... Well then, maybe everyone should home school. Rules and laws are taught. Right from wrong (morality)is something different. We learn the rules and we learn the laws and we learn what is acceptable by the society we live in. A psychopath can learn what society says is right and wrong, and a psychopath can learn the rules and the laws and be very law abiding, and never get into trouble, but he is still a psychopath. The core of 'right and wrong' comes from compassion and love. That is something we are learning through life experiences from the day we are born. It's nobody's 'job' to teach, if it can be taught. |
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...endoctrinated... Is this another anal sex reference? |
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