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Topic: Two more states allow same sex marriage.
Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 05/14/13 03:54 AM
In the Beginning God created Adam and Eve, male and female to be joined together as One. Marriage is between a man and a woman and same sex is a civil union between the two of the same sex. The purpose of same-sex marriage is to enable both partners to have the same civil rights as a heterosexual marriage. Why not do it like we did here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_partnership_in_Switzerland

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 05/14/13 06:31 AM
In the Beginning God created Adam and Eve, male and female to be joined together as One. Marriage is between a man and a woman and same sex is a civil union between the two of the same sex. The purpose of same-sex marriage is to enable both partners to have the same civil rights as a heterosexual marriage. Why not do it like we did here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_partnership_in_Switzerland that wouldnt force people to accept and embrace homosexual SEX that would actually deal strictly with rights,, which wasnt what this was about,,,,IMHO

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 05/14/13 09:04 AM
In the Beginning God created Adam and Eve, male and female to be joined together as One. Marriage is between a man and a woman and same sex is a civil union between the two of the same sex. The purpose of same-sex marriage is to enable both partners to have the same civil rights as a heterosexual marriage. Why not do it like we did here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_partnership_in_Switzerland that wouldnt force people to accept and embrace homosexual SEX that would actually deal strictly with rights,, which wasnt what this was about,,,,IMHO No one is saying you have to embrace homosexual sex. It's going to happen whether they can marry or not.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 05/14/13 12:27 PM
Just that it was a comparison, rather than that he claimed that they were related. What I'm saying is there is no comparison. They are completely different issues.

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14607	Tue 05/14/13 12:49 PM
In the Beginning God created Adam and Eve, male and female to be joined together as One. Marriage is between a man and a woman and same sex is a civil union between the two of the same sex. The purpose of same-sex marriage is to enable both partners to have the same civil rights as a heterosexual marriage. Why not do it like we did here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_partnership_in_Switzerland Man can change laws; but God never changes.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 05/14/13 12:52 PM
Not sure what you are trying to say. Just that it was a comparison, rather than that he claimed that they were related. start a post about interracial marriages, then we can talk... this thread is about gay marriage...and i know you know my thoughts on that... I believe that this, too, was a comparison. Interracial marriages being illegal seems very similar to homosexual marriages being illegal to me. uh, no... it was always a religious concept... a MAN and a WOMAN, bound by god, to PROCREATE... kinda hard with man/man - woman/woman... Aren't they mostly bound by the goverment these days? I mean, many marriages don't mention god at all. I do agree that you shouldn't force religious priests to perform ceremonies "under god" though, much like you don't ask a particular club to allow people they dislike in (or do you?), but state-marriages, or starting their own church that does? Why not? No really, I'm asking. whole gay marriage thing is about money I disagree with the above-quoted claim. then whats it about? sex? no, they can have sex anyway love? no, they can love each other without marriage being together? agian, they can be together as long as they want benefits? .... BINGO, we have a winner Not that sure - a lot of people put a lot of spiritual significance in the concept of being "married". I, at least, have never heard of someone wanting to marry someone they love to get better benefits. Then again, they can get pretty much the same benefits here, even if they're not married, so my sample group is probably biased. in Texas, it's called common law marriage, meaning if they live together for so long, they get the same treatment as married folks... child support, spousal support, things of that nature

HUST91 Joined Sun 05/12/13 Posts: 29	Tue 05/14/13 02:59 PM
Just that it was a comparison, rather than that he claimed that they were related. What I'm saying is there is no comparison. They are completely different issues. I agree the fundementals are very different (pedophiles hurt children, gays hurt noone) which is why we should dismiss it on that ground, rather than because they are "off topic". in Texas, it's called common law marriage, meaning if they live together for so long, they get the same treatment as married folks... child support, spousal support, things of that nature Texas has that too? Excellent! Man can change laws; but God never changes. But how do we know what he wants? I mean, it is pretty arrogant to assume you know the will of someone who supposedly created everything, of whom we only know of from word of mouth and a book that has been edited by many unethical people throughout the years (the whole thing with Luther and selling forgiveness, for example). Then again, this is pretty off-topic.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 05/14/13 03:16 PM
Man can change laws; but God never changes. This isn't a religious/god issue.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48929	Tue 05/14/13 03:24 PM
Man can change laws; but God never changes. This isn't a religious/god issue. Ah, but that is your opinion. To some others, marriage is a religious issue.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 05/14/13 03:28 PM
Man can change laws; but God never changes. This isn't a religious/god issue. Ah, but that is your opinion. To some others, marriage is a religious issue. Right, marriage can be a religious issue. However, we're talking about what is legal and illegal. Your personal religious issues should not stop a same sex couple from getting married. You don't have to marry someone of the same sex if it goes against your religion, but pushing your religion on others and trying to force them to follow what you believe should not be happening.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48929	Tue 05/14/13 03:36 PM
Man can change laws; but God never changes. This isn't a religious/god issue. Ah, but that is your opinion. To some others, marriage is a religious issue. Right, marriage can be a religious issue. However, we're talking about what is legal and illegal. Your personal religious issues should not stop a same sex couple from getting married. You don't have to marry someone of the same sex if it goes against your religion, but pushing your religion on others and trying to force them to follow what you believe should not be happening. Gee, I didn't know that the discussion on this thread was restricted to just legal arguments. I didn't get that memo.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 05/14/13 03:43 PM
If it was a religious discussion, it would be in the religion forum.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48929	Tue 05/14/13 04:05 PM
If it was a religious discussion, it would be in the religion forum. The discussion is what people believe about marriage, and what some people believe about marriage is shaped by their religious beliefs.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 05/14/13 04:09 PM
The thread was about two more (now three) states legalizing same sex marriage. The country is starting to move forward with this. People can feel however they want about marriage, but pushing their religious beliefs on others isn't going to stop states from legalizing same sex marriage.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48929	Tue 05/14/13 04:21 PM
The thread was about two more (now three) states legalizing same sex marriage. The country is starting to move forward with this. People can feel however they want about marriage, but pushing their religious beliefs on others isn't going to stop states from legalizing same sex marriage. It is one thing to acknowledge the legalization of same-sex marriage. It is another thing to celebrate the legalization of same sex marriage. It seems to me that the OP of this thread does the latter. Indeed, the expression "moving forward" is quite subjective based on one's personal beliefs, whether or not those beliefs are religious in nature. If you are going to say "moving forward", then explain what "forward" is supposed to be towards.

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Tue 05/14/13 04:25 PM
The thread was about two more (now three) states legalizing same sex marriage. The country is starting to move forward with this. People can feel however they want about marriage, but pushing their religious beliefs on others isn't going to stop states from legalizing same sex marriage. It is one thing to acknowledge the legalization of same-sex marriage. It is another thing to celebrate the legalization of same sex marriage. It seems to me that the OP of this thread does the latter. Indeed, the expression "moving forward" is quite subjective based on one's personal beliefs, whether or not those beliefs are religious in nature. If you are going to say "moving forward", then explain what "forward" is supposed to be towards. Moral decay from what used to be the 'norm.'

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 05/14/13 04:30 PM Edited by singmesweet on Tue 05/14/13 04:31 PM
The thread was about two more (now three) states legalizing same sex marriage. The country is starting to move forward with this. People can feel however they want about marriage, but pushing their religious beliefs on others isn't going to stop states from legalizing same sex marriage. It is one thing to acknowledge the legalization of same-sex marriage. It is another thing to celebrate the legalization of same sex marriage. It seems to me that the OP of this thread does the latter. Indeed, the expression "moving forward" is quite subjective based on one's personal beliefs, whether or not those beliefs are religious in nature. If you are going to say "moving forward", then explain what "forward" is supposed to be towards. Did the word congratulations give away that this thread was about celebrating the legalization of same sex marriage? As for moving forward, we're moving away from discriminating against sexual preference. Less bigotry is a good thing.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48929	Tue 05/14/13 04:34 PM
The thread was about two more (now three) states legalizing same sex marriage. The country is starting to move forward with this. People can feel however they want about marriage, but pushing their religious beliefs on others isn't going to stop states from legalizing same sex marriage. It is one thing to acknowledge the legalization of same-sex marriage. It is another thing to celebrate the legalization of same sex marriage. It seems to me that the OP of this thread does the latter. Indeed, the expression "moving forward" is quite subjective based on one's personal beliefs, whether or not those beliefs are religious in nature. If you are going to say "moving forward", then explain what "forward" is supposed to be towards. Moral decay from what used to be the 'norm.' Wait a minute. That isn't necessarily what singmesweet meant when she said "moving forward". Perhaps she believes that the legalization of same-sex marriage is moving forward toward the goal of upholding the equal-protection clause in the 14th Amendment. Indeed, that is the legal argument being made against laws that outlaw same-sex marriage.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 05/14/13 04:38 PM
The thread was about two more (now three) states legalizing same sex marriage. The country is starting to move forward with this. People can feel however they want about marriage, but pushing their religious beliefs on others isn't going to stop states from legalizing same sex marriage. It is one thing to acknowledge the legalization of same-sex marriage. It is another thing to celebrate the legalization of same sex marriage. It seems to me that the OP of this thread does the latter. Indeed, the expression "moving forward" is quite subjective based on one's personal beliefs, whether or not those beliefs are religious in nature. If you are going to say "moving forward", then explain what "forward" is supposed to be towards. Moral decay from what used to be the 'norm.' Wait a minute. That isn't necessarily what singmesweet meant when she said "moving forward". Perhaps she believes that the legalization of same-sex marriage is moving forward toward the goal of upholding the equal-protection clause in the 14th Amendment. Indeed, that is the legal argument being made against laws that outlaw same-sex marriage. Of course I didn't mean what he said. I'm definitely for equality. I get that not everyone is there yet, though.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Tue 05/14/13 04:39 PM
The thread was about two more (now three) states legalizing same sex marriage. The country is starting to move forward with this. People can feel however they want about marriage, but pushing their religious beliefs on others isn't going to stop states from legalizing same sex marriage. It is one thing to acknowledge the legalization of same-sex marriage. It is another thing to celebrate the legalization of same sex marriage. It seems to me that the OP of this thread does the latter. Indeed, the expression "moving forward" is quite subjective based on one's personal beliefs, whether or not those beliefs are religious in nature. If you are going to say "moving forward", then explain what "forward" is supposed to be towards. Moral decay from what used to be the 'norm.' So what was the "norm?"