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than hopefully those will support the 'rights' of pedophiles, beastie(or whatever they are called), and those oriented to be attracted to family members,,, sexual behavior is a choice, however its chalked up, and its not a choice government should bbe promoting or encouraging (legalizing) or discouraging (criminalizeing) except when it involves continuing the species,,,,and providing the most ideal and solid foundation for future children to be brought up in,,, Again, you're comparing very different things. You just cannot compare homosexuality with sex with children or animals. It just makes no sense. if the argument is based on the idea that people cant 'help' what they are attracted to, or whom and should be equally protected under the law,,,, it is totally valid to compare other types of 'preferences' and 'attractions' bottom line is the opposition is to SEXUAL BEHAVIOR, not preference or orientation,,, preference, by its definition, is a choice, whether we are born with ovaries or testicles is not a choice its not a PREFERENCE it is protected we cant be discriminated against because of what gender we were born preference, by its definition, is a choice, whether we are born from african or european ancestors is not it is not a PREFERENCE it is protected we cant be discriminated against because of what gender we are born we cannot say people cant marry based upon race, and we cant say they cant marry based upon gender men and women of every race can marry men or women of any race ,, not sure why this seems so hard for pro same sex marriage proponents to catch on to,,,, whats being proposed is that in addition to allowing all men and women of any race to marry, we also have to take into consideration the mate they would PREFER to have,, regardless of gender so why not also take into consideration the mate all PREFER to have,,,whether its a consenting sibling or parent? or a consenting, emancipated, minor? You keep comparing very different things. Heterosexual and homosexual marriages include two consenting, non related adults. Pedophilia includes children, which are clearly off limits due to being minors. Bestiality includes animals, who clearly cannot consent. Again, very different than same sex marriage. You grouping them together as being the same aren't going to make them the same, no matter how hard you try. when speaking of sexual orientation, as related to what someone is attracted to,, they are the same they are all things people are oriented towards sexually,,,after all, who would CHOOSE t be turned on by animals or kids? so, my point is,, others like me give a rats hoot about 'orientation' or what an orientation is, thats only known by the person until or unless they choose to share that information with others,,, others like me care about the SEXUAL BEHAVIOR,,,,,if that dog looks sexy,, thats your business, me nor anyone else can do anythinga bout it and perhaps you cant HELP it or were born with the attraction but when you cross into actually getting laid by the dog, I dont want the culture to start putting a stamp of approval on it if that kid looks sexy to ya, thats your business, me nor anyone else can do anything about it and perhaps you cant help it or were 'born' with the attraction but when you cross into actually getting laid up with the kid, I dont want the culture to start putting a stamp of approval on it if that penis excites your penis, thats your business, me nor anyone else can do anything about it and perhaps you cant help it or were 'born' with the attraction but when you cross into actually getting laid up with that body whose anatomy isnt catered to compliment yours sexually,,,,,I dont want the culture FORCING a stamp of approval on it,,, ,,,,get the pattern? |
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Nope. This thread was about gay marriage. It is not about bestiality, incest, polygamy or pedophilia. You keep bringing up these things which have nothing to do with homosexuality. I asked you in the beginning to stay on topic and you've refused. I get that there is no way to get you to stay on topic, as you will continue to try to equate these things to homosexuality. Sorry, but normal people do not think these things are the same.
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Nope. This thread was about gay marriage. It is not about bestiality, incest, polygamy or pedophilia. You keep bringing up these things which have nothing to do with homosexuality. I asked you in the beginning to stay on topic and you've refused. I get that there is no way to get you to stay on topic, as you will continue to try to equate these things to homosexuality. Sorry, but normal people do not think these things are the same. and once 'normal' people didnt think sodomy was the same as heterosexual sex,,,,, the topic is same sex marriage and these are the issues that concern me about it,, topics often go in many tangents based upon where the replies take it,, and I am as much responding to the replies as to the original post,,,, |
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Nope. This thread was about gay marriage. It is not about bestiality, incest, polygamy or pedophilia. You keep bringing up these things which have nothing to do with homosexuality. I asked you in the beginning to stay on topic and you've refused. I get that there is no way to get you to stay on topic, as you will continue to try to equate these things to homosexuality. Sorry, but normal people do not think these things are the same. and once 'normal' people didnt think sodomy was the same as heterosexual sex,,,,, the topic is same sex marriage and these are the issues that concern me about it,, topics often go in many tangents based upon where the replies take it,, and I am as much responding to the replies as to the original post,,,, Heterosexuals have anal sex. Again, these issues are not about homosexuality. Perhaps you should create a thread about them if you'd like to continue to discuss them. Then you'll be on topic. |
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Edited by
andrewzooms
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Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t get one.
Don’t like guns? Don’t buy one. Don’t like your rights taken away? Then don’t take away anyone else’s. |
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well lets think about why they want to marry in the first place...its because they want to same rights as other married couples...they want their partners to be able to get the same benefits as others if and when one dies...why shouldn't they have the same rights as the rest of us?? perhaps if we relented on that the the push for same sex marriage would not be such a big thing right now...as far as children are concerned i honestly do not believe it makes a child bad or good or straight or gay. It is how they are raised. Children just want to be loved and protected...we live in a time where it really doesn't matter if its two men two women a man and a woman or just one parent alone. I feel the same about when people feel homosexuals should not adopt. I have yet to see proof where this hurts children. I have been working with children for over twelve years and I have seen all manners of children. In the end, they want someone to want them love them protect them...i have even watch children of various ages be raised in a home with a same sex couple from the time two of them were infants until their current age of 9 and 10. They have other siblings as well we were taken in by the couple when they were 5 7 and 13, now they are 15, 17, and 23. If were living in different times maybe I would feel differently about it, but we are not. We live in a world where there are a variety of people, cultures, and beliefs. Many of us who claim to believe in God and follow his ways are breaking one of his laws by casting judgement to begin with. The world is changing...we cannot stop it. I like to believe in the end it will be a positive change but I also know there is a possibility that people will allow their hate for change to interfere. By no means am I saying that anyone's opinion is wrong, thats the great thing about our country is our ability to speak our opinion. This one just happens to be mine. I guess my opinion would change if I actually worked with children who's lives have been destroyed by all this. Anyway I'm hopeful for the future that some day this will be one of those arguments that will be laid to rest because its getting old. Granted it could take many years for that to happen but its like I said...I'm hopeful because without hope there would be nothing. Have fab day everyone!  the bible never says not to cast judgment, we are given brains so we can judge right from wron,, it is not judging a PERSON to judge their action or behavior,, right and wrong are right and wrong regardless of the PERSON doing it as is healthy and unhealthy, its not a judgement of a person I have two close relatives living this lifestyle, they are two very wonderful people whom I love, but that doesnt mean I have to be brainwashed into accepting msm as normal, healthy or ok,,,, or that I want society to be endoctrinated into that belief by force of law... I have another who lived it the first forty years of their life before transitioning into a heterosexual lifestyle,,,,, doesnt matter, its gonna happen, we will continue to pretend that a sexual preference is as biological and definitive and unalterable as gender,,, and we are gonna pay, one way or the other one yes it does talk about judging others: here are few Luke 6:37,matthew 7:1-5, James 4:11-12...there are quite a few actually but that is neither here or there..you are right that we are given brains so that we are able to make choices. you are judging a person when you judge their actions or behaviors because our behavior and actions make use who we are among other things that also contribute. Why worry about a lifestyle that does not affect you?? no one is trying to brainwash anyone into changing their personal beliefs on the subject at hand. No one is pressuring you to support same sex marriage...all they are asking is respect their lifestyle as they respect yours...its not too much to ask. I am not homosexual but I do respect their beliefs and I want people to respect my beliefs whether they agree with it or not. The world is not going to stop spinning because of same sex marriage. Our economy will not fall apart because of same sex marriage in fact if anything the states who legalize it may get a little boost in theirs because many people may choose to move to a state where their marriage will be recognized. We all have the consequences of every decision we make, this will be no different. Why do you care about what happens behind other people's closed doors anyway?? I don't believe anything I do in the bedroom affects anyone but me and my significant other the same goes with same sex couples...what they do behind closed doors is their own business not ours. |
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Nope. This thread was about gay marriage. It is not about bestiality, incest, polygamy or pedophilia. You keep bringing up these things which have nothing to do with homosexuality. I asked you in the beginning to stay on topic and you've refused. I get that there is no way to get you to stay on topic, as you will continue to try to equate these things to homosexuality. Sorry, but normal people do not think these things are the same. and once 'normal' people didnt think sodomy was the same as heterosexual sex,,,,, the topic is same sex marriage and these are the issues that concern me about it,, topics often go in many tangents based upon where the replies take it,, and I am as much responding to the replies as to the original post,,,, Heterosexuals have anal sex. Again, these issues are not about homosexuality. Perhaps you should create a thread about them if you'd like to continue to discuss them. Then you'll be on topic. heterosexuals have anal sex, but we cant assume that heterosexualsare going to have it or that they will have it regularly I know heterosexuals who dont engage in the activity at all the only SEXUAL PENETRATION homosexual males can have is anal,,,big differnece,,,' I am on topic, because I want no government sanction that predicates peoples rights on whether they have CONSUMMATED an anal sexual experience,,,, |
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well lets think about why they want to marry in the first place...its because they want to same rights as other married couples...they want their partners to be able to get the same benefits as others if and when one dies...why shouldn't they have the same rights as the rest of us?? perhaps if we relented on that the the push for same sex marriage would not be such a big thing right now...as far as children are concerned i honestly do not believe it makes a child bad or good or straight or gay. It is how they are raised. Children just want to be loved and protected...we live in a time where it really doesn't matter if its two men two women a man and a woman or just one parent alone. I feel the same about when people feel homosexuals should not adopt. I have yet to see proof where this hurts children. I have been working with children for over twelve years and I have seen all manners of children. In the end, they want someone to want them love them protect them...i have even watch children of various ages be raised in a home with a same sex couple from the time two of them were infants until their current age of 9 and 10. They have other siblings as well we were taken in by the couple when they were 5 7 and 13, now they are 15, 17, and 23. If were living in different times maybe I would feel differently about it, but we are not. We live in a world where there are a variety of people, cultures, and beliefs. Many of us who claim to believe in God and follow his ways are breaking one of his laws by casting judgement to begin with. The world is changing...we cannot stop it. I like to believe in the end it will be a positive change but I also know there is a possibility that people will allow their hate for change to interfere. By no means am I saying that anyone's opinion is wrong, thats the great thing about our country is our ability to speak our opinion. This one just happens to be mine. I guess my opinion would change if I actually worked with children who's lives have been destroyed by all this. Anyway I'm hopeful for the future that some day this will be one of those arguments that will be laid to rest because its getting old. Granted it could take many years for that to happen but its like I said...I'm hopeful because without hope there would be nothing. Have fab day everyone! the bible never says not to cast judgment, we are given brains so we can judge right from wron,, it is not judging a PERSON to judge their action or behavior,, right and wrong are right and wrong regardless of the PERSON doing it as is healthy and unhealthy, its not a judgement of a person I have two close relatives living this lifestyle, they are two very wonderful people whom I love, but that doesnt mean I have to be brainwashed into accepting msm as normal, healthy or ok,,,, or that I want society to be endoctrinated into that belief by force of law... I have another who lived it the first forty years of their life before transitioning into a heterosexual lifestyle,,,,, doesnt matter, its gonna happen, we will continue to pretend that a sexual preference is as biological and definitive and unalterable as gender,,, and we are gonna pay, one way or the other one yes it does talk about judging others: here are few Luke 6:37,matthew 7:1-5, James 4:11-12...there are quite a few actually but that is neither here or there..you are right that we are given brains so that we are able to make choices. you are judging a person when you judge their actions or behaviors because our behavior and actions make use who we are among other things that also contribute. Why worry about a lifestyle that does not affect you?? no one is trying to brainwash anyone into changing their personal beliefs on the subject at hand. No one is pressuring you to support same sex marriage...all they are asking is respect their lifestyle as they respect yours...its not too much to ask. I am not homosexual but I do respect their beliefs and I want people to respect my beliefs whether they agree with it or not. The world is not going to stop spinning because of same sex marriage. Our economy will not fall apart because of same sex marriage in fact if anything the states who legalize it may get a little boost in theirs because many people may choose to move to a state where their marriage will be recognized. We all have the consequences of every decision we make, this will be no different. Why do you care about what happens behind other people's closed doors anyway?? I don't believe anything I do in the bedroom affects anyone but me and my significant other the same goes with same sex couples...what they do behind closed doors is their own business not ours. I disagree, that is what the bible warns against our actions do not make 'who we are' because our actions are choices that can change in any given moment,, 'who we are' is much more complex than anyone choice or string of choices,, that is why I can judge ACTIONS , that is why I Can say I have loved ones who are wonderful PEOPLE but engaged in this deviant lifestyle,,, one is a judgement of the person (wonderful) the other is a judgment of their actions and behaviors,,, I dont care what happens behind closed doors, I do care what is endoctrinated into my childs values and standards by society... what the GOVERNMENT mandates to be endoctrinated into my childs values and standards and education is very much a concern of mine,,, |
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Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t get one. Don’t like guns? Don’t buy one. Don’t like your rights taken away? Then don’t take away anyone else’s. marriage is a right but it has a DEFINITION,,the changing of the definition is a cultural issue,,, a true right would have no restriction other than age,,,it would allow siblings to marry it would allow any number of marital combinations,, 1 man 1 woman, 1 men 4 women, 1 woman 5 men,,,etc,, the only RIGHT that marriage changes is the civil rights, beyond that all the unmarried couples have the same 'rights' as the married ones, to commit, to have sex, to have children,,etc,,,, civil union, would cover the 'rights' aspect of allowing all consenting adults to enter into contracts to blend their lives and assets, without condoning or validating any and all SEXUAL BEHAVIORS,,, |
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Now if only all other countries would un-ban gay marriage. The government and religious groups shouldn't have a say in whether gay marriage is right or not. You can't "cure" anyone of being gay, nor can you stop anyone from being so, just because the bible says otherwise. It is not an illness. I just wish more gays and lesbians would come on threads like this one, and just have a say in how they view it. Also, there are some that are bound by their parents rules, for life, too. I find that terrible :(
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 05/19/13 06:22 AM
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Now if only all other countries would un-ban gay marriage. The government and religious groups shouldn't have a say in whether gay marriage is right or not. You can't "cure" anyone of being gay, nor can you stop anyone from being so, just because the bible says otherwise. It is not an illness. I just wish more gays and lesbians would come on threads like this one, and just have a say in how they view it. Also, there are some that are bound by their parents rules, for life, too. I find that terrible :( the 'worldly' order to try to obliterate belief in God or the bible is well under way,, there are already probably 20 countries which recognize 'same sex marriage'...so no worries there for its proponents,,,, however there is no proof that that it is not an 'illness', up until the LGBT agenda went political in the seventies, in fact, it was. the history of aknowledging the illness is not just in the bible, the APA itself aknowledged it as well until it became a political organization,,,, now an illness, where APA Is concerned, requires one is caused 'subjective distress' (btw, pedophilia has since been removed as an illness too unless the previous condition is met) there is plenty of evidence that people go through 'stages' of sexual preference and are not just 'hard wired' to be one way or the other plenty of ill people dont realize or believe they are ill,,, I personally know a couple people who lived the homosexual lifestyle for a period of their life and then transitioned into a heterosexual lifestyle lifestyle is a choice, sex is a choice, a sexual lifestyle is also a choice,,,,people can choose to change or alter their lifestyle whenever they decide to,,,, doesnt mean it is an EASY thing to do, but there is no proof that it cant be done,,, |
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 Exactalactly! poor horse. |
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Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t get one. Don’t like guns? Don’t buy one. Don’t like your rights taken away? Then don’t take away anyone else’s. Exactly. |
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believe homosexual activity is ok,,?
than engage in it, but dont force that belief on my kids .... or me,,,by forcing us to accept it or shut up,,,, |
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believe homosexual activity is ok,,? than engage in it, but dont force that belief on my kids .... or me,,,by forcing us to accept it or shut up,,,, I don't engage in homosexual activity, as I am not gay. However, I do realize that others who do don't affect me. You don't have to engage in it or accept it. That doesn't mean you should be able to force others to live by your beliefs. Same sex marriage is now legal in 12 states and DC. It's going to become legal in more states. If you don't agree with it, don't have a same sex marriage or associate with those who do. |
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believe homosexual activity is ok,,? than engage in it, but dont force that belief on my kids .... or me,,,by forcing us to accept it or shut up,,,, I don't engage in homosexual activity, as I am not gay. However, I do realize that others who do don't affect me. You don't have to engage in it or accept it. That doesn't mean you should be able to force others to live by your beliefs. Same sex marriage is now legal in 12 states and DC. It's going to become legal in more states. If you don't agree with it, don't have a same sex marriage or associate with those who do. I Realize whats going to happen, I cant force others to do anything or not do anything SEXUALLY, that is a persons choice of behavior and activity that Im not condoing legislating however, when it comes to what we introduce into society as acceptable and sanctioned BEHAVIOR and ACTIVITY, I do have a vested interest in keeping certain standards,,, its not about forcing others to live by my beliefs, its about struggling not to be forced to live by and educate my children according to the desires of others,,,, |
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I find bigotry much less acceptable behavior than homosexuality.
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I find bigotry much less acceptable behavior than homosexuality. well, if bigotry is expanded to include any type of disagreement with any behavior or choice or words ID disagree,, I hope people have an inate 'bigotry' towards the things they know are not right, or healthy, or safe, or natural,,,etc,,,etc,,, |
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No matter how you try to explain it, I just don't find bigotry acceptable.
Definition of BIGOT : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance |
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Nope. This thread was about gay marriage. It is not about bestiality, incest, polygamy or pedophilia. You keep bringing up these things which have nothing to do with homosexuality. I asked you in the beginning to stay on topic and you've refused. I get that there is no way to get you to stay on topic, as you will continue to try to equate these things to homosexuality. Sorry, but normal people do not think these things are the same. and once 'normal' people didnt think sodomy was the same as heterosexual sex,,,,, the topic is same sex marriage and these are the issues that concern me about it,, topics often go in many tangents based upon where the replies take it,, and I am as much responding to the replies as to the original post,,,, Heterosexuals have anal sex. Again, these issues are not about homosexuality. Perhaps you should create a thread about them if you'd like to continue to discuss them. Then you'll be on topic. heterosexuals have anal sex, but we cant assume that heterosexualsare going to have it or that they will have it regularly I know heterosexuals who dont engage in the activity at all the only SEXUAL PENETRATION homosexual males can have is anal,,,big differnece,,,' I am on topic, because I want no government sanction that predicates peoples rights on whether they have CONSUMMATED an anal sexual experience,,,, You seem really obsessed with anal sex for some reason. |
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