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I can see if the woman was raped or if the mother’s life is at risk of death because of birth of the child. I do not agree with the aborting of a child just because the baby is an inconvenience. I did ask a question once, if the guy is required by law to pay for the raising of the child, should the man have a say in the aborting of a child, especial if the girl used trickery to get pregnant as a means to try and keep the guy. I did find it interesting that many of the women put the blame solely on the man for not wearing a condom or keeping his pants. However, unless it is rape the woman is partly responsible, she also can keep her pants on and take step to keep from getting pregnant. If both agree to participate and both should have a say. In some countries,women dont have that freedom of choice yet.....guy says no condom,woman has no choice,no say...its a few of the women who can actually say,no condom,no sex! |
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Yeah, I'm opening that can of worms. I just wanted to see what peoples opinions are. And keep it civil, no need for the mods to scold us like children, right? I think it is a woman's choice. Notwithstanding the argument you are killing some child, I still do not feel I can project my values on another. Some of you may wonder how I can be a Christian and say I'm pro-choice. I don't personally know what God has in store for the woman. This might be necessary for her to grow close to God again for all we know, from her sorrow when she realizes what she has done. You have to remember our earthly flesh is nothing, it is our souls that matter. Aborted fetuses souls go straight to heaven in my beliefs. I just bemoan the fact it could be a Madame Curie or Beethoven that is aborted. So what's your take? If you're against, explain please, you never can tell, you might change minds with eloquent words. I always think that,if you dont want to get pregnant,use protection(it protects you from more than an unwanted child) or birthcontrol-we have faaar too many street children for you to add another! And i always say,dont sleep with a man whose seed you might not want in your belly-bse,YES,accidents happen,even when you use protection or birthcontrol!! So,to avoid it all-keep your pants on!! A woman never,ever recovers from that wasted child-the thought IS always there-whether they admit it or not!! And some never get another chance at parenting-bse of that abortion!! When i look at women/couples who are struggling to have even one child after trying all sorts of remedies to conceive and to no avail.........?? We have a choice,but not murder and regret! Have the baby,give it away,then go live your life! MO |
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My point is people who scream that abortion is murder probably have not been faced with the reality of being responsible for an unwanted child or children and while they can make suggestions about "adoption" they don't really know what that involves. It is easy to have an opinion when you are not face to face with the problem. I don't see many anti-abortion proponents offering to adopt and raise these unwanted children. I would bet there are quite a few anti abortion folks who do actually adopt and raise unwanted children but that is beside the point,,,,not eveyone is able to take on children, yet I wouldnt think that should stop them from speaking up about children being abused or neglected similarly, I think its irrelevant to not supporting abortion,,,, why is that irrelevant? SOMEONE has to raise the kid, it doesn't just come able to raise itself! If someone can't handle it and no one else wants to, what good is that gonna do for anyone? The kid will lead a ****ed up life because of it, is that fair to it to be burdened with that because of the mistakes of the parent? If it can't be raised properly, it almost is better off not existing really from that perspective. I don't think abortion should be used as an easy out for not being responsible for yourself that said, but......I think the topic of what happens to these unwanted kids is VERY relevant, it will shape the rest of their lives. yes, society may have to pay to keep a child safe or alive,, oh the DREAD,,,,  it cant be raised properly DEAD, and we dont know how properly it will be raised until someone is RAISING It,,, and yes, what happesn to them is important to discuss, but my not being able to 'step up' to raise someones child, is irrelevant to me stepping in to protect that child if they are facing death or harm,,,, You missed my point! If no one is willing to raise the kid properly, is it fair to put the child through that suffering if it can be helped? That is what I was trying to say, nothing more. |
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My point is people who scream that abortion is murder probably have not been faced with the reality of being responsible for an unwanted child or children and while they can make suggestions about "adoption" they don't really know what that involves. It is easy to have an opinion when you are not face to face with the problem. I don't see many anti-abortion proponents offering to adopt and raise these unwanted children. I would bet there are quite a few anti abortion folks who do actually adopt and raise unwanted children but that is beside the point,,,,not eveyone is able to take on children, yet I wouldnt think that should stop them from speaking up about children being abused or neglected similarly, I think its irrelevant to not supporting abortion,,,, why is that irrelevant? SOMEONE has to raise the kid, it doesn't just come able to raise itself! If someone can't handle it and no one else wants to, what good is that gonna do for anyone? The kid will lead a ****ed up life because of it, is that fair to it to be burdened with that because of the mistakes of the parent? If it can't be raised properly, it almost is better off not existing really from that perspective. I don't think abortion should be used as an easy out for not being responsible for yourself that said, but......I think the topic of what happens to these unwanted kids is VERY relevant, it will shape the rest of their lives. yes, society may have to pay to keep a child safe or alive,, oh the DREAD,,,, it cant be raised properly DEAD, and we dont know how properly it will be raised until someone is RAISING It,,, and yes, what happesn to them is important to discuss, but my not being able to 'step up' to raise someones child, is irrelevant to me stepping in to protect that child if they are facing death or harm,,,, You missed my point! If no one is willing to raise the kid properly, is it fair to put the child through that suffering if it can be helped? That is what I was trying to say, nothing more. we dont know if no one is willing to raise the child 'properly' until the child is here ,,,,,,,, suffering is a part of life, at different levels, but that doesnt make death the better alternative,,, imho |
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My point is people who scream that abortion is murder probably have not been faced with the reality of being responsible for an unwanted child or children and while they can make suggestions about "adoption" they don't really know what that involves. It is easy to have an opinion when you are not face to face with the problem. I don't see many anti-abortion proponents offering to adopt and raise these unwanted children. I would bet there are quite a few anti abortion folks who do actually adopt and raise unwanted children but that is beside the point,,,,not eveyone is able to take on children, yet I wouldnt think that should stop them from speaking up about children being abused or neglected similarly, I think its irrelevant to not supporting abortion,,,, why is that irrelevant? SOMEONE has to raise the kid, it doesn't just come able to raise itself! If someone can't handle it and no one else wants to, what good is that gonna do for anyone? The kid will lead a ****ed up life because of it, is that fair to it to be burdened with that because of the mistakes of the parent? If it can't be raised properly, it almost is better off not existing really from that perspective. I don't think abortion should be used as an easy out for not being responsible for yourself that said, but......I think the topic of what happens to these unwanted kids is VERY relevant, it will shape the rest of their lives. yes, society may have to pay to keep a child safe or alive,, oh the DREAD,,,, it cant be raised properly DEAD, and we dont know how properly it will be raised until someone is RAISING It,,, and yes, what happesn to them is important to discuss, but my not being able to 'step up' to raise someones child, is irrelevant to me stepping in to protect that child if they are facing death or harm,,,, You missed my point! If no one is willing to raise the kid properly, is it fair to put the child through that suffering if it can be helped? That is what I was trying to say, nothing more. we dont know if no one is willing to raise the child 'properly' until the child is here ,,,,,,,, I'd say at times you know........but that's just me. |
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I hate the idea of abortion but sadly there is a good chance i could end up having one.
Im epileptic and my anti seizure meds are a necessity. but if i were to try and have kids i would have to quit takeing my meds for the full 9 months but if i started haveing seizures i would have to get an abortion also if i were to find out i was pregnant while taking meds i would likely have to get an abortion because my meds can cause serious problems like Cleft palate Hypoplastic right heart ( a condition that results in an underdeveloped right side of the heart) Hand malformations Dysplastic (abnormally developed) ribs Hypospadia (a condition in male babies that causes the opening of the urethra to occur in the wrong place) Spina Bifida (a condition that results in the spinal column failing to completely enclose the spinal cord. or miscarriage |
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I hate the idea of abortion but sadly there is a good chance i could end up having one.
Im epileptic and my anti seizure meds are a necessity. but if i were to try and have kids i would have to quit takeing my meds for the full 9 months but if i started haveing seizures i would have to get an abortion also if i were to find out i was pregnant while taking meds i would likely have to get an abortion because my meds can cause serious problems like Cleft palate Hypoplastic right heart ( a condition that results in an underdeveloped right side of the heart) Hand malformations Dysplastic (abnormally developed) ribs Hypospadia (a condition in male babies that causes the opening of the urethra to occur in the wrong place) Spina Bifida (a condition that results in the spinal column failing to completely enclose the spinal cord. or miscarriage |
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If I remember correctly, if you murder a pregnant mother you are charged with two homicides. So why is abortion not considered murder? Well murder is an unlawful plan killing and abortion is legal by USA law, therefore it is not murder. Still it is weird that we want to keep murderers and rapist alive and support them for the rest of their life in jail and yet an innocent life like a fetus is kill because of the choose the mother made. Keep in mind I only support abortion if the woman was raped or if her life is in jeopardy. I don’t by the “I was raped because I choose to get drunk at a party” line. Although I wonder how much of the pregnancies are the result of the government paying for the abortion or aid for childcare. I have seen some women have kids just to get a government check. And one nurse told me that she had a girl that wanted to get the abortion so she can go parting. Also in the next room was a couple trying for the third time to have a child without having a miscarriage. She also told me that many of the nurses had to rotate with helping the doctor with the abortion that they had difficulty with helping in the death of an unborn child. Most touching write up in this thread! 
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I think abortion needs to be legal and easy to obtain. I have paid for two abortions in the past and would be more than happy to throw down my card for a third time if it was needed. I think we'd have a lot fewer people living on welfare if they'd gotten abortions. Children are an expense many simple cannot afford during these tough economic times.
If a woman I was seeing became pregnant, I'd do whatever it took to get her to have an abortion. I'd tell her if she has the child, I'd leave her. I wouldn't be there to help raise or care for it and I'd only do what was legally demanded of me. But, she and the child would NEVER see me again. |
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I think abortion needs to be legal and easy to obtain. I have paid for two abortions in the past and would be more than happy to throw down my card for a third time if it was needed. I think we'd have a lot fewer people living on welfare if they'd gotten abortions. Children are an expense many simple cannot afford during these tough economic times. If a woman I was seeing became pregnant, I'd do whatever it took to get her to have an abortion. I'd tell her if she has the child, I'd leave her. I wouldn't be there to help raise or care for it and I'd only do what was legally demanded of me. But, she and the child would NEVER see me again. wow |
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I think abortion needs to be legal and easy to obtain. I have paid for two abortions in the past and would be more than happy to throw down my card for a third time if it was needed. I think we'd have a lot fewer people living on welfare if they'd gotten abortions. Children are an expense many simple cannot afford during these tough economic times. If a woman I was seeing became pregnant, I'd do whatever it took to get her to have an abortion. I'd tell her if she has the child, I'd leave her. I wouldn't be there to help raise or care for it and I'd only do what was legally demanded of me. But, she and the child would NEVER see me again. wow at least he's being honest. 
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I think abortion needs to be legal and easy to obtain. I have paid for two abortions in the past and would be more than happy to throw down my card for a third time if it was needed. I think we'd have a lot fewer people living on welfare if they'd gotten abortions. Children are an expense many simple cannot afford during these tough economic times. If a woman I was seeing became pregnant, I'd do whatever it took to get her to have an abortion. I'd tell her if she has the child, I'd leave her. I wouldn't be there to help raise or care for it and I'd only do what was legally demanded of me. But, she and the child would NEVER see me again. wow at least he's being honest. I Get that, someone else here was honest about not wanting (which translated into not being ABLE TO) be around children,,, that still didnt make what they had done any less distasteful to most though,,, |
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So what's your take? If you're against, explain please, you never can tell, you might change minds with eloquent words. Because there are valid arguments pro and con, the question will always be debated...I am pro choice with a major qualifier...First trimester abortions only unless it is discovered later that the mother's life is in danger if the pregnancy is not terminated...I agree with those who say "life" begins only when the fetus can exist independently...Also, the ultimate decision to abort belongs to the woman... |
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Yeah, I'm opening that can of worms. I just wanted to see what peoples opinions are. And keep it civil, no need for the mods to scold us like children, right? I think it is a woman's choice. Notwithstanding the argument you are killing some child, I still do not feel I can project my values on another. Some of you may wonder how I can be a Christian and say I'm pro-choice. I don't personally know what God has in store for the woman. This might be necessary for her to grow close to God again for all we know, from her sorrow when she realizes what she has done. You have to remember our earthly flesh is nothing, it is our souls that matter. Aborted fetuses souls go straight to heaven in my beliefs. I just bemoan the fact it could be a Madame Curie or Beethoven that is aborted. So what's your take? If you're against, explain please, you never can tell, you might change minds with eloquent words. Just like aborted fetuses; every soul go straight to heaven/hell in my belief. If abortion isn't a murder, then nothing other shall also be termed as murder. |
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Abortion is murder; plain and simple. Can you show me the law that states abortion is murder? |
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Does anyone remember who Jane Roe was? The Roe in Roe v Wade?
This was the name given to a drug addicted prostitute that had gotten pregnant several times and given them all up for adoption. She was not a nice person. But, she's a perfect example of why abortions need to be legal. Who wants to adopt a drug addicted baby from a prostitute? People only want to adopt cute little white babies with blue eyes. A large number of the others become wards of the state. |
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Does anyone remember who Jane Roe was? The Roe in Roe v Wade? This was the name given to a drug addicted prostitute that had gotten pregnant several times and given them all up for adoption. She was not a nice person. But, she's a perfect example of why abortions need to be legal. Who wants to adopt a drug addicted baby from a prostitute? People only want to adopt cute little white babies with blue eyes. A large number of the others become wards of the state. and what if we dont catch them inside the womb, what if the mother becomes drug addicted later on and gets them addicted, should it be legal to euthanize those babies too? all the 'what ifs' are endless, but none diminish the harsh and rarely acceptable choice to take a human life,,, |
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Does anyone remember who Jane Roe was? The Roe in Roe v Wade? This was the name given to a drug addicted prostitute that had gotten pregnant several times and given them all up for adoption. She was not a nice person. But, she's a perfect example of why abortions need to be legal. Who wants to adopt a drug addicted baby from a prostitute? People only want to adopt cute little white babies with blue eyes. A large number of the others become wards of the state. Also, statistics show that very few women who give birth choose to give up their babies...Less than 3% of white unmarried women and less than 2% of black unmarried women. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 03/24/13 11:10 AM
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Msharmony said: we are not born with children inside, they are not 'our body' they are only developing initially inside our body so , as said before, it is about 'life' whether we call it a 'fetus' , 'unborn child'...or whatever a woman owns her body, just like she owns her home (if she bought it, but does that mean there is NO LIMIT to what she does or is permitted to do to the life that may be inside of it? thats the debate,,, once the law didnt support it being exclusively about the woman, after roe v wade, the law changed and it could change again,,,,as happens when cultures develop / progress,,,etc,,, "does that mean there is NO LIMIT to what she does or is permitted to do to the life that may be inside of it?" For now, it means that she can choose to give birth or abort. That's the law. If I were into passing laws I would make it against the law for teens to get pregnant. Especially teens on drugs. They would be put on probation, their child would be taken away and put in a loving home who wants it. People who want to have children would have to have permission and would have to have the means to raise a child, just like adoptive parents. But I am not into government telling people how to live at all, and I am not in favor of any government telling women they can't get an abortion and that they must give birth. I am on the side of free choice and freedom. |
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Does anyone remember who Jane Roe was? The Roe in Roe v Wade? This was the name given to a drug addicted prostitute that had gotten pregnant several times and given them all up for adoption. She was not a nice person. But, she's a perfect example of why abortions need to be legal. Who wants to adopt a drug addicted baby from a prostitute? People only want to adopt cute little white babies with blue eyes. A large number of the others become wards of the state. and what if we dont catch them inside the womb, what if the mother becomes drug addicted later on and gets them addicted, should it be legal to euthanize those babies too? all the 'what ifs' are endless, but none diminish the harsh and rarely acceptable choice to take a human life,,, But, abortion IS acceptable. And legal under our constitution. Murder is a legal term and abortion outside the legal definition. |
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