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So you think, but if you can't see........that's not my problem. You'll realize one day.......  The fact that msharmony disagrees with you doesn't mean that she "can't see". Let me explain thing in "Star Trek" terms. At times, the needs of the community outweigh the desire of the individual to have absolute freedom. When you live in a community, you bear some responsibility for maintaining what the community needs. Otherwise, if you receive benefits from the community without helping the community maintain its needs, then you are a free-loader. If you don't want to be a free-loader, and yet, you want to have absolute freedom, then you should live as a hermit. |
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Frederick Douglass learned that there Consequences to listening and not listening to the advice of others. In his Autobios, the Advice he often got from other Slaves was that Running Away wasn't a Good Thing because Only Master Could Provide; he rejected that advice, and we all give thanks that he did. He was told Not to Name Names in his First Autobio, he did and had to Flee to England to remain Free, from where his Freedom was bought and he was given the money to start his own Paper; against the advise of his Fellow Abolitionist. He was advised to "Trust the Better Educated Abolitionist", even that of the Black Abolitionist who Grew Up in the North and attended the Universities; he Turned Down that Advice and became one of the Most Powerful Advocates Against Slavery & Jim Crow. There were times he paid a steep and painful price for Not Listening to the Advice given by others, even lost some Dear Friends over it; But he Moved Mountains by Deciding for Himself how to Live His Own Life. One thing about Douglass, he made a lot of Abolitions upset with him because he would speak out against their "Now, Now Little Runaway, You Just Sit Back and Let Us Take Care of You" attitude; the same sort of attitude that's behind today's Welfare & Nanny State. Because Douglass was his own man, many Abolitionists Mock, Ridiculed, Belittled and made Fun of the him; as I look around, the only Douglass-Like Men I see Standing out in the Black Community are Herman Cain and Dr. Ben Carson along with a few others, and they're getting the same Treatment. It is amazing what one learns from Reading Books; Life & Times of Frederick Douglass, by Frederick Douglass is less than a $1 as a E-Book and well worth the read; if more Blacks would Read Douglass, and Booker T. Washington, the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world would be Ignored. People do read about frederick douglas and some people do 'ignore' jessie jackson and al sharpton however, others realize that even all three of these different men would have agreed on some things,, and choose to listen to what makes sense and discard the rest, regardless of who is speaking,,,, People only read Douglass' First Autobio (A Good Read) Narrative of the life of Frederick Douglass; he wrote two others, after he had a shift in his Political Beliefs and altered his argument; which made a lot of his Abolitionists Friends turn on him while he was becoming even more effective in fighting Slavery. People don't read "My Bondage My Freedom" or "Life and Times of Frederick Douglass" (Both Books are only $1 as an E-Book and well worth the Read) which he wrote After Declaring the U.S. Constitution is One of the "Greatest Anti-Slavery Document Ever Written" that he had Ever Read; I wonder why that isn't taught in Schools? You should have heard the Outrage when my son wrote a Book Report on Life & Times as his History Teacher was Spitting Mad that My Son wrote a Report on the Wrong Book by Douglass; but he wrote it about 10yrs before he died and it was his Final Autobio. If Frederick Douglass was alive today, and I'm basing this on his Autobios, he'd be calling the Welfare State Slavery; Jackson, Sharpton, and the NAACP would be giving him the same Treatment as Herman Cain & Ben Carson. Herman Cain and Ben carson are no frederick douglas,,, Would Frederick Douglass be welcomed by the persons of the Black Community as it is now is, or would he be called an Oreo, an Uncle Tom, a Sellout, and all the other names that are thrown around by the Political Left; just as Douglass was Ridiculed and Mocked in his own day when his views on the Constitution took a 180 because he took the time to read it, Madison's notes on the Convention, and the Federalists Papers? If some Sky Spirit sent Douglass back to live among us, The Jackson, Sharpton, & the NAACP would set out to Discredit Everything he Ever Did for Civil Rights & the Ending of Slavery. is there some reason that the 'black community' would all have to welcome douglas or any other person some would agree with him and some wouldnt, some would be civilized about it and some would behave ignorantly,,, and I dont know of anyone whom jackson, sharpton, or the naacp has tried to discredit 'everything' they have done ,,,,,people agree, people disagree,,,'the black community' is full of people like any other,,, Just look at what they do to Herman Cain, Ben Carson, the Members of the Black Chamber of Commerce and Other Blacks that don't tow their "Politically Correct" line for More Government Intrusion; just consider what they say and Treat Law Abiding Blacks who join the Tea Party or may Own Guns for Self-Protection and join groups like the NRA while at the same time stand up for some of the Worst Elements within the Black Community as a whole as they demand even More Chains to keep their Fellow Blacks dependent on their own Wisdom. When was the last time Sharpton, Jackson, the NAACP and others of the like held up a Black Man of Accomplishment, Principles, & Ethics over some Gang Banger in the News who was Accused of a Crime? Show me Your Heroes, I'll Show You what You Value. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Frederick Douglass learned that there Consequences to listening and not listening to the advice of others. In his Autobios, the Advice he often got from other Slaves was that Running Away wasn't a Good Thing because Only Master Could Provide; he rejected that advice, and we all give thanks that he did. He was told Not to Name Names in his First Autobio, he did and had to Flee to England to remain Free, from where his Freedom was bought and he was given the money to start his own Paper; against the advise of his Fellow Abolitionist. He was advised to "Trust the Better Educated Abolitionist", even that of the Black Abolitionist who Grew Up in the North and attended the Universities; he Turned Down that Advice and became one of the Most Powerful Advocates Against Slavery & Jim Crow. There were times he paid a steep and painful price for Not Listening to the Advice given by others, even lost some Dear Friends over it; But he Moved Mountains by Deciding for Himself how to Live His Own Life. One thing about Douglass, he made a lot of Abolitions upset with him because he would speak out against their "Now, Now Little Runaway, You Just Sit Back and Let Us Take Care of You" attitude; the same sort of attitude that's behind today's Welfare & Nanny State. Because Douglass was his own man, many Abolitionists Mock, Ridiculed, Belittled and made Fun of the him; as I look around, the only Douglass-Like Men I see Standing out in the Black Community are Herman Cain and Dr. Ben Carson along with a few others, and they're getting the same Treatment. It is amazing what one learns from Reading Books; Life & Times of Frederick Douglass, by Frederick Douglass is less than a $1 as a E-Book and well worth the read; if more Blacks would Read Douglass, and Booker T. Washington, the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world would be Ignored. People do read about frederick douglas and some people do 'ignore' jessie jackson and al sharpton however, others realize that even all three of these different men would have agreed on some things,, and choose to listen to what makes sense and discard the rest, regardless of who is speaking,,,, People only read Douglass' First Autobio (A Good Read) Narrative of the life of Frederick Douglass; he wrote two others, after he had a shift in his Political Beliefs and altered his argument; which made a lot of his Abolitionists Friends turn on him while he was becoming even more effective in fighting Slavery. People don't read "My Bondage My Freedom" or "Life and Times of Frederick Douglass" (Both Books are only $1 as an E-Book and well worth the Read) which he wrote After Declaring the U.S. Constitution is One of the "Greatest Anti-Slavery Document Ever Written" that he had Ever Read; I wonder why that isn't taught in Schools? You should have heard the Outrage when my son wrote a Book Report on Life & Times as his History Teacher was Spitting Mad that My Son wrote a Report on the Wrong Book by Douglass; but he wrote it about 10yrs before he died and it was his Final Autobio. If Frederick Douglass was alive today, and I'm basing this on his Autobios, he'd be calling the Welfare State Slavery; Jackson, Sharpton, and the NAACP would be giving him the same Treatment as Herman Cain & Ben Carson. Herman Cain and Ben carson are no frederick douglas,,, Would Frederick Douglass be welcomed by the persons of the Black Community as it is now is, or would he be called an Oreo, an Uncle Tom, a Sellout, and all the other names that are thrown around by the Political Left; just as Douglass was Ridiculed and Mocked in his own day when his views on the Constitution took a 180 because he took the time to read it, Madison's notes on the Convention, and the Federalists Papers? If some Sky Spirit sent Douglass back to live among us, The Jackson, Sharpton, & the NAACP would set out to Discredit Everything he Ever Did for Civil Rights & the Ending of Slavery. is there some reason that the 'black community' would all have to welcome douglas or any other person some would agree with him and some wouldnt, some would be civilized about it and some would behave ignorantly,,, and I dont know of anyone whom jackson, sharpton, or the naacp has tried to discredit 'everything' they have done ,,,,,people agree, people disagree,,,'the black community' is full of people like any other,,, Just look at what they do to Herman Cain, Ben Carson, the Members of the Black Chamber of Commerce and Other Blacks that don't tow their "Politically Correct" line for More Government Intrusion; just consider what they say and Treat Law Abiding Blacks who join the Tea Party or may Own Guns for Self-Protection and join groups like the NRA while at the same time stand up for some of the Worst Elements within the Black Community as a whole as they demand even More Chains to keep their Fellow Blacks dependent on their own Wisdom. When was the last time Sharpton, Jackson, the NAACP and others of the like held up a Black Man of Accomplishment, Principles, & Ethics over some Gang Banger in the News who was Accused of a Crime? Show me Your Heroes, I'll Show You what You Value. I dont have 'heroes' , no man yet has been perfect but JESUS I have people who have done things I admire and done th things that disgust me,, and sometimes they can both exist in the same person not sure what race you are, but as a BLACK person myself constantly in the company of related and non related black folks, Im not sure of the 'they' that keeps being referred to although I am POSITIVE there are people from all races who support and dont support just about any issue we discuss,,,, and to answer the question about the naacp, sharpton, or jackson, Im not sure how an individual 'holds up' some other individual but as an organization , naacp regularly honors high achieving african americans,,, via awards and scholarships |
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no man yet has been perfect but JESUS Elvis was perfect too...At least in 2000 years they'll be saying he was. |
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God has not given 'rights' True, rights have been either won through protest, public disorder, and revolution, or awarded by the state owing to pressure from various groups. |
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Edited by
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no man yet has been perfect but JESUS Elvis was perfect too...At least in 2000 years they'll be saying he was. I wonder if the story of his death will change. 'He ascended into Sun Records with Johnny Cash by his side', instead of being found face down on a carpet with his pants around his ankles.  Will people be standing up for their 'Elvis-given rights'? "It is written in the book of Col. Tom Parker!" |
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So you think, but if you can't see........that's not my problem. You'll realize one day....... The fact that msharmony disagrees with you doesn't mean that she "can't see". Let me explain thing in "Star Trek" terms. At times, the needs of the community outweigh the desire of the individual to have absolute freedom. When you live in a community, you bear some responsibility for maintaining what the community needs. Otherwise, if you receive benefits from the community without helping the community maintain its needs, then you are a free-loader. If you don't want to be a free-loader, and yet, you want to have absolute freedom, then you should live as a hermit. star trek is a military directive state |
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God has not given 'rights' True, rights have been either won through protest, public disorder, and revolution, or awarded by the state owing to pressure from various groups. Inherent in the Individual,not granted by Government,or some Despots! To protect those Rights,Constitutions were written,but are now slowly turned against those they were established to protect! http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/individual_rights.html http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/constitution.html Constitution ¶ Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals—that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government—that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens’ protection against the government. That Gal can say it much better than I! 
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So you think, but if you can't see........that's not my problem. You'll realize one day....... The fact that msharmony disagrees with you doesn't mean that she "can't see". Let me explain thing in "Star Trek" terms. At times, the needs of the community outweigh the desire of the individual to have absolute freedom. When you live in a community, you bear some responsibility for maintaining what the community needs. Otherwise, if you receive benefits from the community without helping the community maintain its needs, then you are a free-loader. If you don't want to be a free-loader, and yet, you want to have absolute freedom, then you should live as a hermit. star trek is a military directive state
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God has not given 'rights' True, rights have been either won through protest, public disorder, and revolution, or awarded by the state owing to pressure from various groups. actually,Rights are the property of Individuals! Inherent in the Individual,not granted by Government,or some Despots! To protect those Rights,Constitutions were written,but are now slowly turned against those they were established to protect! I know that is the ideal, but history denotes otherwise. The emancipation of slaves; property rights for women; voting rights for women; abolition of segregation and apartheid; workers' rights arising from the union movement etc., all prove that rights were hard won. You can see it in the Magna Carta and even Roman History, where the Plebeians gained a voice in government and various property rights under the tribunates of the Graachi. |
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So you think, but if you can't see........that's not my problem. You'll realize one day....... The fact that msharmony disagrees with you doesn't mean that she "can't see". Let me explain thing in "Star Trek" terms. At times, the needs of the community outweigh the desire of the individual to have absolute freedom. When you live in a community, you bear some responsibility for maintaining what the community needs. Otherwise, if you receive benefits from the community without helping the community maintain its needs, then you are a free-loader. If you don't want to be a free-loader, and yet, you want to have absolute freedom, then you should live as a hermit. star trek is a military directive state I met Gene Roddenberry. He was at the Hollywood Hilton when JPL put on a celebration of Voyager circling Uranus. |
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God has not given 'rights' True, rights have been either won through protest, public disorder, and revolution, or awarded by the state owing to pressure from various groups. actually,Rights are the property of Individuals! Inherent in the Individual,not granted by Government,or some Despots! To protect those Rights,Constitutions were written,but are now slowly turned against those they were established to protect! I know that is the ideal, but history denotes otherwise. The emancipation of slaves; property rights for women; voting rights for women; abolition of segregation and apartheid; workers' rights arising from the union movement etc., all prove that rights were hard won. You can see it in the Magna Carta and even Roman History, where the Plebeians gained a voice in government and various property rights under the tribunates of the Graachi. Just because the Rulers don't recognize those Rights until they have to,doesn't mean those Rights do not exist! |
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