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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment people who feel those things should be sacrificed for the sake of being 'free' to do whatever they want,, call it voting against freedom |
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment Except you don't get any of that......you get slavery. As the saying goes those that sacrifice liberty for temporary safety get and deserve neither. And that's what is happening in America today, we vote stupidly, we get stupid in return. |
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment people who feel those things should be sacrificed for the sake of being 'free' to do whatever they want,, call it voting against freedom Ayn Rand |
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment Except you don't get any of that......you get slavery. As the saying goes those that sacrifice liberty for temporary safety get and deserve neither. And that's what is happening in America today, we vote stupidly, we get stupid in return. there are plenty of sayings that make no sense adults have to sometimes sacrifice and make difficult choices there isnt always the choice to have liberty and safety (when 'liberty' means 'i should be able to do whatever I wish') and of course, what is the point of a life where I can do whatever I want as long as I dont DIE and bombs are going off all around me,,,? no, I can sacrifice some things I may 'want'( notice , a want is something different than a need) so me and my family can be safe thats probably 'stupid' to some who are caught up in dreamy ideals and dont place priority on actual human life but it makes perfect sense to me |
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment people who feel those things should be sacrificed for the sake of being 'free' to do whatever they want,, call it voting against freedom Ayn Rand sacrifice is a part of life as is compromise, the man who tries to live without it wishes to live against the laws of survival, in a fantasy where the universe revolves only around himself,,,, msharmony |
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment people who feel those things should be sacrificed for the sake of being 'free' to do whatever they want,, call it voting against freedom Ayn Rand sacrifice is a part of life as is compromise, the man who tries to live without it wishes to live against the laws of survival, in a fantasy where the universe revolves only around himself,,,, msharmony Except those taking don't WANT compromise, they want total power, and they'll get it because of people like you who won't stand up against them and tell them no when they step too far. It's one thing to make sacrifices in a moment that will benefit you in that moment, done rationally. It's another to give up thing after thing after thing blindly, not asking why or questioning those asking for it. Guess which side you're on? |
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment Except you don't get any of that......you get slavery. As the saying goes those that sacrifice liberty for temporary safety get and deserve neither. And that's what is happening in America today, we vote stupidly, we get stupid in return. there are plenty of sayings that make no sense adults have to sometimes sacrifice and make difficult choices there isnt always the choice to have liberty and safety (when 'liberty' means 'i should be able to do whatever I wish') and of course, what is the point of a life where I can do whatever I want as long as I dont DIE and bombs are going off all around me,,,? no, I can sacrifice some things I may 'want'( notice , a want is something different than a need) so me and my family can be safe thats probably 'stupid' to some who are caught up in dreamy ideals and dont place priority on actual human life but it makes perfect sense to me Actually we DO place priority on human life, enough to know that an individuals rights need to matter......it's you people who don't care for it enough to protect them. It's you who are the true selfish people wanting to control everyone else based on your desires. |
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adults have to sometimes sacrifice and make difficult choices Tell me about it! there isnt always the choice to have liberty and safety (when 'liberty' means 'i should be able to do whatever I wish') I'm glad you parenthetically qualified your statement with the first part of natural law. Here's the rest of that sentence "…so long as I do no harm to an other." The only real choice regarding liberty and safety is having both, or neither. You might get by with only one of them for a little while, but it will always gravitate to one or the other of the only real choices. I can sacrifice some things I may 'want'( notice , a want is something different than a need) so me and my family can be safe Then make liberty a "need." I guarantee your descendants will thank you for it. thats probably 'stupid' to some who are caught up in dreamy ideals and dont place priority on actual human life Freedom has been a "dreamy ideal" since the dawn of time. Of all nations, yours came close a couple of hundred years ago. Such freedoms are sought BECAUSE we place the highest priority on human life AND the quality of it. |
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Frederick Douglass learned that there Consequences to listening and not listening to the advice of others. In his Autobios, the Advice he often got from other Slaves was that Running Away wasn't a Good Thing because Only Master Could Provide; he rejected that advice, and we all give thanks that he did. He was told Not to Name Names in his First Autobio, he did and had to Flee to England to remain Free, from where his Freedom was bought and he was given the money to start his own Paper; against the advise of his Fellow Abolitionist. He was advised to "Trust the Better Educated Abolitionist", even that of the Black Abolitionist who Grew Up in the North and attended the Universities; he Turned Down that Advice and became one of the Most Powerful Advocates Against Slavery & Jim Crow. There were times he paid a steep and painful price for Not Listening to the Advice given by others, even lost some Dear Friends over it; But he Moved Mountains by Deciding for Himself how to Live His Own Life. One thing about Douglass, he made a lot of Abolitions upset with him because he would speak out against their "Now, Now Little Runaway, You Just Sit Back and Let Us Take Care of You" attitude; the same sort of attitude that's behind today's Welfare & Nanny State. Because Douglass was his own man, many Abolitionists Mock, Ridiculed, Belittled and made Fun of the him; as I look around, the only Douglass-Like Men I see Standing out in the Black Community are Herman Cain and Dr. Ben Carson along with a few others, and they're getting the same Treatment. It is amazing what one learns from Reading Books; Life & Times of Frederick Douglass, by Frederick Douglass is less than a $1 as a E-Book and well worth the read; if more Blacks would Read Douglass, and Booker T. Washington, the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world would be Ignored. People do read about frederick douglas and some people do 'ignore' jessie jackson and al sharpton however, others realize that even all three of these different men would have agreed on some things,, and choose to listen to what makes sense and discard the rest, regardless of who is speaking,,,, People only read Douglass' First Autobio (A Good Read) Narrative of the life of Frederick Douglass; he wrote two others, after he had a shift in his Political Beliefs and altered his argument; which made a lot of his Abolitionists Friends turn on him while he was becoming even more effective in fighting Slavery. People don't read "My Bondage My Freedom" or "Life and Times of Frederick Douglass" (Both Books are only $1 as an E-Book and well worth the Read) which he wrote After Declaring the U.S. Constitution is One of the "Greatest Anti-Slavery Document Ever Written" that he had Ever Read; I wonder why that isn't taught in Schools? You should have heard the Outrage when my son wrote a Book Report on Life & Times as his History Teacher was Spitting Mad that My Son wrote a Report on the Wrong Book by Douglass; but he wrote it about 10yrs before he died and it was his Final Autobio. If Frederick Douglass was alive today, and I'm basing this on his Autobios, he'd be calling the Welfare State Slavery; Jackson, Sharpton, and the NAACP would be giving him the same Treatment as Herman Cain & Ben Carson. |
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Dreams of my Pappy will clue you in on Barry's objective.
Idiots still believe he is lookin' out fo dey interest.  He's out for his interest, his pappy's, his handlers and all the folks who send in the bribes and kickbacks. |
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment people who feel those things should be sacrificed for the sake of being 'free' to do whatever they want,, call it voting against freedom Ayn Rand sacrifice is a part of life as is compromise, the man who tries to live without it wishes to live against the laws of survival, in a fantasy where the universe revolves only around himself,,,, msharmony Except those taking don't WANT compromise, they want total power, and they'll get it because of people like you who won't stand up against them and tell them no when they step too far. It's one thing to make sacrifices in a moment that will benefit you in that moment, done rationally. It's another to give up thing after thing after thing blindly, not asking why or questioning those asking for it. Guess which side you're on? assume and generalize much? who are the 'they' I dont stand up against? and what is it Im supposed to be 'against'? when I compromise or sacrifice, I know exactly why, its not done blindly at all... |
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment Except you don't get any of that......you get slavery. As the saying goes those that sacrifice liberty for temporary safety get and deserve neither. And that's what is happening in America today, we vote stupidly, we get stupid in return. there are plenty of sayings that make no sense adults have to sometimes sacrifice and make difficult choices there isnt always the choice to have liberty and safety (when 'liberty' means 'i should be able to do whatever I wish') and of course, what is the point of a life where I can do whatever I want as long as I dont DIE and bombs are going off all around me,,,? no, I can sacrifice some things I may 'want'( notice , a want is something different than a need) so me and my family can be safe thats probably 'stupid' to some who are caught up in dreamy ideals and dont place priority on actual human life but it makes perfect sense to me Actually we DO place priority on human life, enough to know that an individuals rights need to matter......it's you people who don't care for it enough to protect them. It's you who are the true selfish people wanting to control everyone else based on your desires. 'individual rights' are nice in regards to anything that ONLY Will affect the individual and when people live 'in the moment' they cant see beyond that but those who look at the bigger picture, the LONG TERM ,,,etc,, know that very few things we do or dont do ONLY Affect us,,,, |
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adults have to sometimes sacrifice and make difficult choices Tell me about it! there isnt always the choice to have liberty and safety (when 'liberty' means 'i should be able to do whatever I wish') I'm glad you parenthetically qualified your statement with the first part of natural law. Here's the rest of that sentence "…so long as I do no harm to an other." The only real choice regarding liberty and safety is having both, or neither. You might get by with only one of them for a little while, but it will always gravitate to one or the other of the only real choices. I can sacrifice some things I may 'want'( notice , a want is something different than a need) so me and my family can be safe Then make liberty a "need." I guarantee your descendants will thank you for it. thats probably 'stupid' to some who are caught up in dreamy ideals and dont place priority on actual human life Freedom has been a "dreamy ideal" since the dawn of time. Of all nations, yours came close a couple of hundred years ago. Such freedoms are sought BECAUSE we place the highest priority on human life AND the quality of it. which is 'my nation' and how were we close to freedom during a time with opprsseive sexism and slavery? freedoms are sought because we want to do whatever WE WANT TO DO in the moment civilization is sought becuase we care about the collective affects on the future,,,,, civilization can exist with freedoms, but not with ABSOLUTE individual freedom,,, |
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adults have to sometimes sacrifice and make difficult choices Tell me about it! there isnt always the choice to have liberty and safety (when 'liberty' means 'i should be able to do whatever I wish') I'm glad you parenthetically qualified your statement with the first part of natural law. Here's the rest of that sentence "…so long as I do no harm to an other." The only real choice regarding liberty and safety is having both, or neither. You might get by with only one of them for a little while, but it will always gravitate to one or the other of the only real choices. I can sacrifice some things I may 'want'( notice , a want is something different than a need) so me and my family can be safe Then make liberty a "need." I guarantee your descendants will thank you for it. thats probably 'stupid' to some who are caught up in dreamy ideals and dont place priority on actual human life Freedom has been a "dreamy ideal" since the dawn of time. Of all nations, yours came close a couple of hundred years ago. Such freedoms are sought BECAUSE we place the highest priority on human life AND the quality of it. which is 'my nation' and how were we close to freedom during a time with opprsseive sexism and slavery? freedoms are sought because we want to do whatever WE WANT TO DO in the moment civilization is sought becuase we care about the collective affects on the future,,,,, civilization can exist with freedoms, but not with ABSOLUTE individual freedom,,, |
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Frederick Douglass learned that there Consequences to listening and not listening to the advice of others. In his Autobios, the Advice he often got from other Slaves was that Running Away wasn't a Good Thing because Only Master Could Provide; he rejected that advice, and we all give thanks that he did. He was told Not to Name Names in his First Autobio, he did and had to Flee to England to remain Free, from where his Freedom was bought and he was given the money to start his own Paper; against the advise of his Fellow Abolitionist. He was advised to "Trust the Better Educated Abolitionist", even that of the Black Abolitionist who Grew Up in the North and attended the Universities; he Turned Down that Advice and became one of the Most Powerful Advocates Against Slavery & Jim Crow. There were times he paid a steep and painful price for Not Listening to the Advice given by others, even lost some Dear Friends over it; But he Moved Mountains by Deciding for Himself how to Live His Own Life. One thing about Douglass, he made a lot of Abolitions upset with him because he would speak out against their "Now, Now Little Runaway, You Just Sit Back and Let Us Take Care of You" attitude; the same sort of attitude that's behind today's Welfare & Nanny State. Because Douglass was his own man, many Abolitionists Mock, Ridiculed, Belittled and made Fun of the him; as I look around, the only Douglass-Like Men I see Standing out in the Black Community are Herman Cain and Dr. Ben Carson along with a few others, and they're getting the same Treatment. It is amazing what one learns from Reading Books; Life & Times of Frederick Douglass, by Frederick Douglass is less than a $1 as a E-Book and well worth the read; if more Blacks would Read Douglass, and Booker T. Washington, the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world would be Ignored. People do read about frederick douglas and some people do 'ignore' jessie jackson and al sharpton however, others realize that even all three of these different men would have agreed on some things,, and choose to listen to what makes sense and discard the rest, regardless of who is speaking,,,, People only read Douglass' First Autobio (A Good Read) Narrative of the life of Frederick Douglass; he wrote two others, after he had a shift in his Political Beliefs and altered his argument; which made a lot of his Abolitionists Friends turn on him while he was becoming even more effective in fighting Slavery. People don't read "My Bondage My Freedom" or "Life and Times of Frederick Douglass" (Both Books are only $1 as an E-Book and well worth the Read) which he wrote After Declaring the U.S. Constitution is One of the "Greatest Anti-Slavery Document Ever Written" that he had Ever Read; I wonder why that isn't taught in Schools? You should have heard the Outrage when my son wrote a Book Report on Life & Times as his History Teacher was Spitting Mad that My Son wrote a Report on the Wrong Book by Douglass; but he wrote it about 10yrs before he died and it was his Final Autobio. If Frederick Douglass was alive today, and I'm basing this on his Autobios, he'd be calling the Welfare State Slavery; Jackson, Sharpton, and the NAACP would be giving him the same Treatment as Herman Cain & Ben Carson. Herman Cain and Ben carson are no frederick douglas,,, |
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Frederick Douglass learned that there Consequences to listening and not listening to the advice of others. In his Autobios, the Advice he often got from other Slaves was that Running Away wasn't a Good Thing because Only Master Could Provide; he rejected that advice, and we all give thanks that he did. He was told Not to Name Names in his First Autobio, he did and had to Flee to England to remain Free, from where his Freedom was bought and he was given the money to start his own Paper; against the advise of his Fellow Abolitionist. He was advised to "Trust the Better Educated Abolitionist", even that of the Black Abolitionist who Grew Up in the North and attended the Universities; he Turned Down that Advice and became one of the Most Powerful Advocates Against Slavery & Jim Crow. There were times he paid a steep and painful price for Not Listening to the Advice given by others, even lost some Dear Friends over it; But he Moved Mountains by Deciding for Himself how to Live His Own Life. One thing about Douglass, he made a lot of Abolitions upset with him because he would speak out against their "Now, Now Little Runaway, You Just Sit Back and Let Us Take Care of You" attitude; the same sort of attitude that's behind today's Welfare & Nanny State. Because Douglass was his own man, many Abolitionists Mock, Ridiculed, Belittled and made Fun of the him; as I look around, the only Douglass-Like Men I see Standing out in the Black Community are Herman Cain and Dr. Ben Carson along with a few others, and they're getting the same Treatment. It is amazing what one learns from Reading Books; Life & Times of Frederick Douglass, by Frederick Douglass is less than a $1 as a E-Book and well worth the read; if more Blacks would Read Douglass, and Booker T. Washington, the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world would be Ignored. People do read about frederick douglas and some people do 'ignore' jessie jackson and al sharpton however, others realize that even all three of these different men would have agreed on some things,, and choose to listen to what makes sense and discard the rest, regardless of who is speaking,,,, People only read Douglass' First Autobio (A Good Read) Narrative of the life of Frederick Douglass; he wrote two others, after he had a shift in his Political Beliefs and altered his argument; which made a lot of his Abolitionists Friends turn on him while he was becoming even more effective in fighting Slavery. People don't read "My Bondage My Freedom" or "Life and Times of Frederick Douglass" (Both Books are only $1 as an E-Book and well worth the Read) which he wrote After Declaring the U.S. Constitution is One of the "Greatest Anti-Slavery Document Ever Written" that he had Ever Read; I wonder why that isn't taught in Schools? You should have heard the Outrage when my son wrote a Book Report on Life & Times as his History Teacher was Spitting Mad that My Son wrote a Report on the Wrong Book by Douglass; but he wrote it about 10yrs before he died and it was his Final Autobio. If Frederick Douglass was alive today, and I'm basing this on his Autobios, he'd be calling the Welfare State Slavery; Jackson, Sharpton, and the NAACP would be giving him the same Treatment as Herman Cain & Ben Carson. Welfare hos will always defend they drug. They dependent and can't survive without it. I am Willing2 and I approve this here post. 
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Edited by
Kleisto
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment people who feel those things should be sacrificed for the sake of being 'free' to do whatever they want,, call it voting against freedom Ayn Rand sacrifice is a part of life as is compromise, the man who tries to live without it wishes to live against the laws of survival, in a fantasy where the universe revolves only around himself,,,, msharmony Except those taking don't WANT compromise, they want total power, and they'll get it because of people like you who won't stand up against them and tell them no when they step too far. It's one thing to make sacrifices in a moment that will benefit you in that moment, done rationally. It's another to give up thing after thing after thing blindly, not asking why or questioning those asking for it. Guess which side you're on? assume and generalize much? who are the 'they' I dont stand up against? and what is it Im supposed to be 'against'? when I compromise or sacrifice, I know exactly why, its not done blindly at all... So you think, but if you can't see........that's not my problem. You'll realize one day....... and if you don't know who the "they" is or what you should be against......I'm not gonna waste my breath trying to explain, not worth it. You figure it out. |
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment Except you don't get any of that......you get slavery. As the saying goes those that sacrifice liberty for temporary safety get and deserve neither. And that's what is happening in America today, we vote stupidly, we get stupid in return. there are plenty of sayings that make no sense adults have to sometimes sacrifice and make difficult choices there isnt always the choice to have liberty and safety (when 'liberty' means 'i should be able to do whatever I wish') and of course, what is the point of a life where I can do whatever I want as long as I dont DIE and bombs are going off all around me,,,? no, I can sacrifice some things I may 'want'( notice , a want is something different than a need) so me and my family can be safe thats probably 'stupid' to some who are caught up in dreamy ideals and dont place priority on actual human life but it makes perfect sense to me Actually we DO place priority on human life, enough to know that an individuals rights need to matter......it's you people who don't care for it enough to protect them. It's you who are the true selfish people wanting to control everyone else based on your desires. 'individual rights' are nice in regards to anything that ONLY Will affect the individual and when people live 'in the moment' they cant see beyond that but those who look at the bigger picture, the LONG TERM ,,,etc,, know that very few things we do or dont do ONLY Affect us,,,, And those who look at the bigger picture ALSO know that everything happening now is going to effect us long term as well......it's really YOU that is not looking at the long term effects, not us. You care so much about "safety" that you fail to look beyond the present moment to understand how that is being used against you. It is that attitude that will be the ultimate downfall of America.....and you will only have yourself to blame because you allowed it. |
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Frederick Douglass learned that there Consequences to listening and not listening to the advice of others. In his Autobios, the Advice he often got from other Slaves was that Running Away wasn't a Good Thing because Only Master Could Provide; he rejected that advice, and we all give thanks that he did. He was told Not to Name Names in his First Autobio, he did and had to Flee to England to remain Free, from where his Freedom was bought and he was given the money to start his own Paper; against the advise of his Fellow Abolitionist. He was advised to "Trust the Better Educated Abolitionist", even that of the Black Abolitionist who Grew Up in the North and attended the Universities; he Turned Down that Advice and became one of the Most Powerful Advocates Against Slavery & Jim Crow. There were times he paid a steep and painful price for Not Listening to the Advice given by others, even lost some Dear Friends over it; But he Moved Mountains by Deciding for Himself how to Live His Own Life. One thing about Douglass, he made a lot of Abolitions upset with him because he would speak out against their "Now, Now Little Runaway, You Just Sit Back and Let Us Take Care of You" attitude; the same sort of attitude that's behind today's Welfare & Nanny State. Because Douglass was his own man, many Abolitionists Mock, Ridiculed, Belittled and made Fun of the him; as I look around, the only Douglass-Like Men I see Standing out in the Black Community are Herman Cain and Dr. Ben Carson along with a few others, and they're getting the same Treatment. It is amazing what one learns from Reading Books; Life & Times of Frederick Douglass, by Frederick Douglass is less than a $1 as a E-Book and well worth the read; if more Blacks would Read Douglass, and Booker T. Washington, the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world would be Ignored. People do read about frederick douglas and some people do 'ignore' jessie jackson and al sharpton however, others realize that even all three of these different men would have agreed on some things,, and choose to listen to what makes sense and discard the rest, regardless of who is speaking,,,, People only read Douglass' First Autobio (A Good Read) Narrative of the life of Frederick Douglass; he wrote two others, after he had a shift in his Political Beliefs and altered his argument; which made a lot of his Abolitionists Friends turn on him while he was becoming even more effective in fighting Slavery. People don't read "My Bondage My Freedom" or "Life and Times of Frederick Douglass" (Both Books are only $1 as an E-Book and well worth the Read) which he wrote After Declaring the U.S. Constitution is One of the "Greatest Anti-Slavery Document Ever Written" that he had Ever Read; I wonder why that isn't taught in Schools? You should have heard the Outrage when my son wrote a Book Report on Life & Times as his History Teacher was Spitting Mad that My Son wrote a Report on the Wrong Book by Douglass; but he wrote it about 10yrs before he died and it was his Final Autobio. If Frederick Douglass was alive today, and I'm basing this on his Autobios, he'd be calling the Welfare State Slavery; Jackson, Sharpton, and the NAACP would be giving him the same Treatment as Herman Cain & Ben Carson. Welfare hos will always defend they drug. They dependent and can't survive without it. I am Willing2 and I approve this here post. and bigots will always use offensive language to avoid making a logical argument,,, |
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People vote against freedom because they prefer being told what to do by people they don't like and don't respect either because they think there's something in it for them, because they never grew up enough to parent themselves, or because slavery is all they've ever known and they fear the vast and unknown expanse called liberty. people vote for a civil, safe, and equal environment Except you don't get any of that......you get slavery. As the saying goes those that sacrifice liberty for temporary safety get and deserve neither. And that's what is happening in America today, we vote stupidly, we get stupid in return. there are plenty of sayings that make no sense adults have to sometimes sacrifice and make difficult choices there isnt always the choice to have liberty and safety (when 'liberty' means 'i should be able to do whatever I wish') and of course, what is the point of a life where I can do whatever I want as long as I dont DIE and bombs are going off all around me,,,? no, I can sacrifice some things I may 'want'( notice , a want is something different than a need) so me and my family can be safe thats probably 'stupid' to some who are caught up in dreamy ideals and dont place priority on actual human life but it makes perfect sense to me Actually we DO place priority on human life, enough to know that an individuals rights need to matter......it's you people who don't care for it enough to protect them. It's you who are the true selfish people wanting to control everyone else based on your desires. 'individual rights' are nice in regards to anything that ONLY Will affect the individual and when people live 'in the moment' they cant see beyond that but those who look at the bigger picture, the LONG TERM ,,,etc,, know that very few things we do or dont do ONLY Affect us,,,, And those who look at the bigger picture ALSO know that everything happening now is going to effect us long term as well......it's really YOU that is not looking at the long term effects, not us. You care so much about "safety" that you fail to look beyond the present moment to understand how that is being used against you. It is that attitude that will be the ultimate downfall of America.....and you will only have yourself to blame because you allowed it. yes, because EVERY 'freedom' we have gained has been used in a way that made things better none of those 'freedoms' cost us anything precious,,,, 
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