What is up with men that don't want to or know how to buy the proper gifts and dinner for their woman on Valentines?
A card is 5 bucks, a dozen roses at the major grocery stores is 20 bucks, and dinner for two at the local pub/restaurant can be as little as 25 with tip. This day for sweethearts comes every year, with a whole year to plan it. No excuses that it creeps up on you when you're broke.
So what gives? What is it really that causes so many men to mess this up???

Hummm could be cause some women expect way too much out of this day! And I would like to know why some think it is all one sided... Men deserve just as much attention as women do....

Honestly I feel that I would rather have a man/woman that shows their love every day not just one day out of the year.

And yes I'm one that remembers these days and made sure my kids did as well...

Are you kidding me, mountainwatergirl? This is exactly why I created a thread about misogyny and why I hate my own gender.

well, sorry... lol but this is NOT why I hate my gender. lol

Of course people should show their love all year.
But who does??? Most people need a day to remind them of the special people in their lives.
What is "way too much" for expectations?
Maybe the laxed out stance on V-day has something to do with why some men think it's ok to pass up the opportunity to do something extra special. What's wrong with that? Don't you buy tons of presents every year for Christmas? Don't you plan that out financially to make sure it happens? What's the difference? Both are religious holidays...one not recognized for a day off from work...but, it's still a religious holiday. lol So much for religion ...lol... even if you remove the religious aspect like everyone does Christmas, it would still be a nice day to celebrate love.

I didn't say it was only a day for women to get stuff. It can be for men too if they'd just want it! lol I would have TONS planned if I had a man this year. I've been known to wrap myself up in a giant red bow, holding a jar of body chocolate in a fancy hotel room for my man before. Why not? I love celebrations....and for love?? What an awesome reason. Men love sex... don't they realize if they want some that is extra special ;-) they have to also do something extra special? See?? This is why I hate my gender. A lot of women out there training boys all wrong for their wives later in life. Just sayin

Humm guess cause I have never had a issue with Valentines Day when I was with someone... They have always done something to make that day special... Maybe cause I never felt like they should spend a arm and a leg to make it special...


Myself I don't need one day out of the year to show those dear to me I love them....

But yes I do buy my kids and my grand babies Valentine gifts as well as the one I'm with on that day if I happen to have a partner... And have always received something as well...

Sometimes men get tired of the attitude they are faced with on Valentines Day from some women... it is as if they owe them a big fancy gift ....

Not sure about the men some have ran across but the men I know have never failed to make that day special to the one they are with...

See, funny thing is...this day wasn't set aside for grand kids and such. lol It's intended purpose was for "romantic" love. Anyway you want to celebrate it is great of course...but in my book, you have it backwards. It should be a day you honor the love in your life... romantically... but you do this for children instead.

No one needs to spend an arm or their legs for this day. lol
Like I said in my original post... 50 bucks could wrap it up good enough for me.
So if a woman never gave a man an attitude about it...but he didn't do anything but slap a 5.00 card on the table, what does that tell you about that man?

Actually; in the years I have dated; I have never had a man do anything for me on Valentine's day but it never bothered me as I never gave it a second thought. I do agree though Mountainwatergirl that if a man was to make the day special; it doesn't have to cost him much or anything. However; I feel the same way about Christmas as I don't accept Christmas gifts but instead will accept a donation to the food bank on my behalf.

But yet if kids are not taught at a early age that Valentines Day is a day to show love how does one expect them to show it as they grow up.

I can guarantee you it is a day my son has always remembered to make that day special when he is with the one he loves.. As well as my daughter shows it to her husband...Humm all because I made sure they were showed it was a special day growing up as kids... So guess my way does in fact teach them while they are little...

Valentine's Day began to be popularly celebrated around the 17th century. By the middle of the 18th, it was common for friends and lovers of all social classes to exchange small tokens of affection or handwritten notes.

So, do you accept Christmas gifts? You seem to attack what women want for Valentine's day; yet men and women both are guilty of greed at Christmas. Does that mean you also hate men that want expensive gifts for Christmas, Father's day, or even their birthdays? You need to take a look at the whole picture rather than attacking women over one day of the year. I would also add that if a man feels pressured by Valentine's day; then he needs to man up and talk to his woman about it. If she loves him; she will understand, if not then he would be better off without her.

$50? That is a lot of money. What makes you think you deserve to have that spent on you? Stop being entitled. And $5 for a card is a lot. I get my cards at the dollar store!!! In fact, I tell my friends that if they want to get me a present for my birthday to just go to Dollarama. And as for giving sex in return for gifts - well, that's just a form of prostitution. Why should people plan financially to buy you gifts in the future??? It's the thought that counts, not the amount of money spent on someone for any occasion. And I hate all holidays except for Hallowe'en; which is not considered an official holiday.

My friends set up a "time out" if you will on Valentine's and make it their special day. They are so caught up with work and raising children that sometimes they take each other for granted without meaning to. So, they take one day a year to remind the other that even if they don't say it often enough that they appreciate and love each other. It doesn't cost a lot of money as they don't have much but they just give each other a little extra attention. This why there are other events like Father's day, Mother's day, Veteran's day. We call get caught up with our busy lives and sometimes we just need that extra little day to say "I appreciate you for you or what you have done".

Well, I don't believe in it. If I was in a relationship, I would show my partner that I care all year-round. I would not celebrate Valentine's Day. I WOULD NOT want any gifts. Anyone who wouild not understand this and who would to celebrate with me would not longer be my partner.

Good point.... thank you.

One person's 5 bucks is another person's 50... sue me. I make decent money, and plan to share what I can afford, by PLANNING it ahead of time. Most of the men I have known, make decent money too... unfortunately, they decide weeks beforehand, that they want to spend extra money on themselves, then tell me they are short later on for this day. That selfish contrast is what my problem is. If it's the thought that counts...THINK about saving for a special day.

Nobody I've ever dated/been in a relationship with...has ever given a rat's azz about holidays, let alone, Valentine's Day. And if I ever wanted some heart-shaped candy, CVS is right around the corner.

Well well... I like your high horse you're riding there.
Takes guts to speak your mind, and I'll always appreciate that.
BUT! (lol)
I'd bet $100.00 (or just $1.00 just so you can play too), that you have some list of expectations somewhere. You are being too literal with your own needs. Some women buy fancy cards, some don't. Our interests can't always be the same. Some buy brand new cars..some settle for used. You can't say one way is right, and one is wrong. You have to do what is right for you. That's great. What is right for me just so happens to be different than yours. Most women like the special days set aside for gift giving. Poverty is no excuse for anything. Everyone in this country has the same opportunities to make money and spend a little on special people, for special days.

You must have missed the point.

Love it.