HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

None of this is stated in the OP. If it were stated in the OP, then my response to the OP would have been different.

Some men like to give gifts on all occasions and do not expect anything in return. They just like the lady and want to give her something nice. I guess, I have always met men like that. Thank goodness.

WRONG AGAIN.lol
I wasn't gearing my question to just one guy that bought fishing stuff. Geez-um-crow you are really difficult.
If you were a football right now... thwack!
proper gifts... everyone knows boxes of chocolates, flowers, particularly roses, and dinner out for Valentines... yes.. just not you. lol Seriously...I can't waste anymore time teaching you life, have at it.

Women's LIB

I understand that men may feel under pressure about Valentine's Day so I never push anyone to meet at the time if we are newly communicating. What I do expect is a simple "Happy Valentine's Day" greeting.

I have decided to call today "Wipe the slant clean Day". If you don't want to bother to acknowledge or take advantage of the fact that today is Valentine's Day and send me a simple hello with a greeting then you are deleted. I will be doing a lot of deleting :(

So, you are ranting about men in general not catering to your personal Valentine's Day preferences.

Well, your personal preferences are not universal mandates.

i always have fun on Valintines Day, i like the movie,dinner,date thing :)

Darn right!!!!

Women's lib means women paying for their own meals, right?

You forgot breakfast in bed, at the very least! I always did that; not any trouble , just a little something to start the day off nicely even though, we'd have to rush a bit to get to work on time.
It always gave me a nice feeling to watch her and think about how much she meant to me. Later on came a nice quiet dinner out for us to celebrate having each other and for a while all the problems and worries that we had were forgotten. They could return the next day, this was our day for each other and so it should be for all; we all have too many things that take our thoughts away from us so take the little time and be thankful for each other while you both can.

Absolutely. Even when I date; I insist on going Dutch as that way I don't owe the man anything.

Well, that would be because i had to break down the meaning of my OP with tons of additional posts to get you here. Point was i have my money, now where is his. I said why do men mess up this day and dont tey to do the traditional things. Because i mentioned him buying dinner youve gone off about that since. I didnt think i needed to get specific. Just as long as its a fair trade both ways. We both give, we both get. Im tired of paying for everything because the guy is broke. Hes cheap if he can spend all the money he wants on himself, but Valentines day comes and woop! Hes short on money... if i want dinner out? I have to pay for us both... or stay home. Thats jyst lame.

I hear ya. Ive done that a lot too. Sometimes, a guy will insist. I respect that... but only if he still wants to buy dinner after i tell him he wont get any

Hmmm.


We didn't give gifts as a sign of love in my family. We did things for each other. So my natural tendency would have been to do something for you and not buy you gifts. And in the end, as you seemed to be accustomed to being given a gift as a sign of love, my attempt to show my appreciation of you would have been missed. In turn i would have been lost on why you rejected my attempt at showing love.


Each person shows love differently. All I suggest is you attempt to find out how the person you are with shows love before you assume he doesn't care.

Here is a good place to start. One counselors way to express the differences in how we show or expect to be shown love.


http://www.ehow.com/facts_5533438_love-languages.html

I never expect a man to buy me expensive stuff. Usually, I do date well-educated, rich men, but mainly because I know they have a good diploma, or some other qualification. Life goals impress me. I like ambitious men. Their money doesn't matter to me. A cheap gift will do me, with a cheap card. I do tend to think it's over-commercialized, though. Like christmas and easter.

Sounds to me like you have a gripe about how one particular man treated you. Although I'm not sure, because it also seemed like you said you didn't have a man right now. Maybe that was someone else and I'm misremembering. Either way, I think it's ridiculous to try to dictate what every man should do for every woman.

The very best Valentine's Day gift I ever got was a tiny handmade heart-shaped card that just said "Happy Valentine's Day" on the inside. It came by mail and was totally unexpected. The relationship didn't go anywhere, but I still cherish it and still have it.

Holy smokes KIDS!

Any time you get to enjoy the love thing "get all over it". How romantic to have a day set aside for it, and just as romantic is the thought that we should have it every day. How in the world can people get up tight about "love day"? Enjoy it, and if your not with someone, be happy for those who do have a partner. Oh, and if you don't want another, love yourself double.

Spend a dime, spend a grand, who cares. Invest in love with what ever you have or what ever you don't have. Doesn't matter, love is free and we should be enjoying it not getting so up in a pantie twist over it.

You know why a lot of folks are alone? They have forgotten or forsaken their love vibe. That's right, they have lost the meaning of love, and that it starts with loving yourself through finding happiness in who you are and what you do. Why live forcing yourself through life when you can be set free by the pure joy of joy for joys sake?

Love is like the simplest thing to do and many spend much of their life letting days slip by without this beautiful "free" gift.

"why don't I have it?" people say

Well heck, why don't you? Do you think love is something you have to do with someone else? Is it something only set aside for folks with money? Are you sitting in the drivers seat in the truck of pity carrying a full load?

Wake up my lovely friends, love is absolutely free and there is not a single person on earth that does not only deserve it but it's all around them for the taking. Let me say again it's not tide to money, looks, health or any of the worldly things we tie it to. Love is the one thing that you can give without any cost to you but with many returns. Those of you who feel unlovable, do you have any idea how many times you pass up the opportunity for love? No, you don't. Why? Because your so busy looking at you that you don't see this incredible blessing sitting every where waiting to bite you with happiness.

Some of you have a chemical imbalance, I understand. Forums are full of folks like you and some folks actually have the courage to do something about it. But let me say this. Most who don't have love are associating love with things that have nothing to do with love itself. Their lives don't know how to run off of positive meters and so they tie love to something besides what love is. Love is not a thing. Love is something you do. And the simplest form or expression of love can lead to something bigger than you can imagine. It's easy to forget what love is and no one is passing blame on you as a person, but wouldn't it be far better to be happy than sad?

If your negative list is longer than your positive one, the chances of you not feeling love is in direct correlation. Ever think about that? I saw the OP as saying something positive, how many though wanted to get in line and turn it into a negative? Love is built on positives and the possibilities of breeding positives. It's totally cool to say the negatives but to dwell in them and spend your time promoting them will only lead you to certain self centered loneliness. Worse of all that one looking for you will never find you cause they are never going to see you smiling at them. What's even worse than this is you will grow to the point of not even recognizing love for lack of understanding that it is every where and it my friends is very, extremely, and affordable free for the giving and taking.

Hiiiiii

I agree with you, HikerJohn