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Again, what are you talking about? Show some evidence where God "controlled' Mary for those 9 months... show me where he forced her to do anything. She could have very well freaked out and killed the child either while in her or when it came out if she had wanted to. Please show me where there was any free will taken away. Prophecy is the proof that there is no "Free WIll" How so? A prophesy is purely knowledge of something that will happen in the future. Doesn't mean it forces it to happen. either a prophecy is forced to take place...or The Father is not omniscient ...take your pick What are you talking about Funches? A prophecy is PURELY knowledge of an even that will happen. That's it. It's not God made a prophecy so it will happen because he did. No, he gave the prophecy to give knowledge of something that will take place. Not because it has to, not because he forced it to happen, but because he already knew it would happen and shared that knowledge with us. Cowboy.... Virgins do not get pregnant unless someone or "something"(no pun intended) force it to happen Not if they welcomed it. It's only forced on someone/something that doesn't want it to happen. Show where it states anywhere close to Marry to being ok with it, show me where she was in objection to it. |
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And keeping it in context of what we're talking about here. God has explicitly told us not to do what that man did in that church, therefore it is completely against God's will.. didn't you claim that you took a personal walk with God...so how would you know the shooter didn't do the same and that's why he did what he did you guys keep trying to skip around the issue...if God didn't want it to take place...then why didn't God stop it from taking place where was God? Me walking with God and this has absolutely nothing to do with one another. Even though God not wanting it to happen, if he "intervened" it would have been taking someone's free will away. And even at that, if God stopped every "evil" thing to happen, what would there be to be judged on? We would all be little saints running around. |
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if you really believe I am a follower.. then I daresay your perceptions of me are wrong.. I am not a follower, I question, constantly.. if GOD told me to jump off a bridge.. I'd tell him NO.. because I know (logically) he would never ask that of me.. Zero-effect...you might want to read the story of Abraham and Isaac I have led quite a remarkable life so far.. and I'm not done yet either.. but I always look to him as a sounding board to better understand myself and others reactions to truth and life.. although at times.. I can't always comprehend the purpose.. I can change a) how I react to it.. and b) whether or not I take action.. wherein comes, I believe, the Free Will part I remember God putting Adam to sleep before stealing one of his ribs, don't you also believed that Adam had "Free Will"?.....which is why I'm unclear how you believe that you have the "Free Will" to stop a prophecy of God I remember God putting Adam to sleep before stealing one of his ribs, don't you also believed that Adam had "Free Will"?.....which is why I'm unclear how you believe that you have the "Free Will" to stop a prophecy of God Again, the two have nothing to do with one another eg., taking of Adam's rib and free will. It did not physically force Adam to do anything. That is all free will is, is YOUR ability to do any action you wish to physically do. God could have taken his arm, his leg, the hair off his head, matters none, point still remains it didn't force Adam to do an action nor did it restrict him from doing anything. Therefore no free was taken away. |
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Zero-effect...you might want to read the story of Abraham and Isaac I have read the bible from cover to cover.. I perceived it to be a novel, translated and written by man.. but that's another topic all together.. don't misunderstand though.. I have been tested and responded how I saw fit(by choice) and seemly chose correctly.. so I guess you could say I passed.. unless one perceives being alive as failure.. I remember God putting Adam to sleep before stealing one of his ribs, don't you also believed that Adam had "Free Will"?.....which is why I'm unclear how you believe that you have the "Free Will" to stop a prophecy of God I don't recall anything about 'stealing ribs'.. but maybe too, he just didn't have time to explain the 'birds 'n bees' while creating them..  and for the record.. aren't "prophecy's" just someones interpretations of how certain events will unfold? |
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Not if they welcomed it. It's only forced on someone/something that doesn't want it to happen. Show where it states anywhere close to Marry to being ok with it, show me where she was in objection to it. Cowboy stay focus Virgins do not get pregnant without sperm so explain how the prophecy that Mary a (supposedly) Virgin would have a child, can be full filled without God "intervening" |
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Again, the two have nothing to do with one another eg., taking of Adam's rib and free will. It did not physically force Adam to do anything. That is all free will is, is YOUR ability to do any action you wish to physically do. God could have taken his arm, his leg, the hair off his head, matters none, point still remains it didn't force Adam to do an action nor did it restrict him from doing anything. Therefore no free was taken away. Cowboy.. I understand his response to be that he took the rib without asking Adam thus didn't give Adam the right to choose.. GOD simply took matters into his own hands thus removing the free will of Adam to make the choice.. or did I get that wrong Funches? however.. I agree with Cowboy.. there was neither a conscious decision or CHOICE to make.. as Adam would not have understood the options, he would have just left the judgement/decision up to GOD regardless.. mind you.. there WAS a reason for taking the rib as opposed to other areas of the body.. in my readings, I understood it to be a reason of "equality".. not from the head to be 'smarter' or from the feet to become a 'servant' but from his side (rib) where both could begin life on equal footing.. |
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And even at that, if God stopped every "evil" thing to happen, what would there be to be judged on? so God allow evil things to take place so he can have something to judge?...er.... Cowboy..you do know that this sounds ...er....delusional and makes God a sociopath |
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Again, the two have nothing to do with one another eg., taking of Adam's rib and free will. It did not physically force Adam to do anything. That is all free will is, is YOUR ability to do any action you wish to physically do. God could have taken his arm, his leg, the hair off his head, matters none, point still remains it didn't force Adam to do an action nor did it restrict him from doing anything. Therefore no free was taken away. right...if you need an organ just put someone to sleep and take them...it has nothing to do with their "Free Will" Cowboy...you guys are getting scary |
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Zero-effect...you might want to read the story of Abraham and Isaac I have read the bible from cover to cover.. I perceived it to be a novel, translated and written by man.. but that's another topic all together.. don't misunderstand though.. I have been tested and responded how I saw fit(by choice) and seemly chose correctly.. so I guess you could say I passed.. unless one perceives being alive as failure.. I remember God putting Adam to sleep before stealing one of his ribs, don't you also believed that Adam had "Free Will"?.....which is why I'm unclear how you believe that you have the "Free Will" to stop a prophecy of God I don't recall anything about 'stealing ribs'.. Zero-effect...taking body parts from people "still alive" without their permission is called "Stealing".. but maybe too, he just didn't have time to explain the 'birds 'n bees' while creating them.. is that how you explain the birds and the bees to your children...that babies come from a man's rib? and for the record.. aren't "prophecy's" just someones interpretations of how certain events will unfold? for the record the prophecy was from God...but either way you have yet to explain how you can use your free will to stop it from being fullfilled FOR EXAMPLE: ok...let's say that God told you that you have been re-virginized" and will have a child without sperm ......explain how you going to use your "Free Will" to stop this prophecy from unfolding |
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FOR EXAMPLE: ok...let's say that God told you that you have been re-virginized" and will have a child without sperm ......explain how you going to use your "Free Will" to stop this prophecy from unfolding RE-virginized?  I'm not familiar with that reference, sorry but to answer the question simply..? abortion 
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FOR EXAMPLE: ok...let's say that God told you that you have been re-virginized" and will have a child without sperm ......explain how you going to use your "Free Will" to stop this prophecy from unfolding RE-virginized? I'm not familiar with that reference, sorryif a female Spider can be re-virginized...couldn't God do the same with a female human but to answer the question simply..? abortion God places you in a coma for 9 months |
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Edited by
Zero_Effected
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Sat 12/29/12 02:06 PM
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okay.. I concede.. you keep changing the rules
 firstly.. he could have.. but he didn't.. if GOD wanted human females to have the ability to be re-virginized.. he'd have created us with it originally secondly.. if you're suggesting a WHAT IF scenario.. that's different.. but that's not what happened to Mary.. she didn't go to sleep for 9 months so that moots your "coma" theory.. however.. it could prove a good topic for a Disney movie 
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okay.. I concede.. you keep changing the rules you accuse me of generalization, changing rules,..perhaps you're hallucinating firstly.. he could have.. but he didn't.. if GOD wanted human females to have the ability to be re-virginized.. he'd have created us with it originally he did...it's called celibacy secondly.. if you're suggesting a WHAT IF scenario.. that's different.. but that's not what happened to Mary.. she didn't go to sleep for 9 months so that moots your "coma" theory.. Mary also didn't attempt to have an abortion?...so what's your point? if God prophesied that you are going to have a baby...it's not a biblical thing you can do about it...which is why a Prophecy from God automatically takes away "Free Will" |
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Not if they welcomed it. It's only forced on someone/something that doesn't want it to happen. Show where it states anywhere close to Marry to being ok with it, show me where she was in objection to it. Cowboy stay focus Virgins do not get pregnant without sperm so explain how the prophecy that Mary a (supposedly) Virgin would have a child, can be full filled without God "intervening" Again "intervening" means forced upon, forced without the someone not being ok with it. Show where Marry had an objection to it. She was filled with the Holy Spirit, show where she refused to carry the child in any way shape or form. I again can show where she was ok with it. It would ONLY be considered intervening if she was not ok with it. |
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Again, the two have nothing to do with one another eg., taking of Adam's rib and free will. It did not physically force Adam to do anything. That is all free will is, is YOUR ability to do any action you wish to physically do. God could have taken his arm, his leg, the hair off his head, matters none, point still remains it didn't force Adam to do an action nor did it restrict him from doing anything. Therefore no free was taken away. right...if you need an organ just put someone to sleep and take them...it has nothing to do with their "Free Will" Cowboy...you guys are getting scary Explain how it took his free will away. What did it force him to do without his consent or force him not to do something. Adam was lonely, so God made him a spouse. The how's matters none. It did not force Adam to do anything he did not want to do nor did it restrict him from doing anything. Again, after again, after again, that is the ONLY thing free will pertains to, one's actions. |
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okay.. I concede.. you keep changing the rules you accuse me of generalization, changing rules,..perhaps you're hallucinating firstly.. he could have.. but he didn't.. if GOD wanted human females to have the ability to be re-virginized.. he'd have created us with it originally he did...it's called celibacy secondly.. if you're suggesting a WHAT IF scenario.. that's different.. but that's not what happened to Mary.. she didn't go to sleep for 9 months so that moots your "coma" theory.. Mary also didn't attempt to have an abortion?...so what's your point? if God prophesied that you are going to have a baby...it's not a biblical thing you can do about it...which is why a Prophecy from God automatically takes away "Free Will" if God prophesied that you are going to have a baby...it's not a biblical thing you can do about it...which is why a Prophecy from God automatically takes away "Free Will" No Funches lol. That's not how that works. God gives us prophecies of what IS going to happen. Not going to happen because he forced it to happen through prophecy or any other method. It's just foreknowledge of an action that is already going to take place through someone's free will. |
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seriously??  I'm done.. see ya.. |
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Not if they welcomed it. It's only forced on someone/something that doesn't want it to happen. Show where it states anywhere close to Marry to being ok with it, show me where she was in objection to it. Cowboy stay focus Virgins do not get pregnant without sperm so explain how the prophecy that Mary a (supposedly) Virgin would have a child, can be full filled without God "intervening" Again "intervening" means forced upon, forced without the someone not being ok with it. Show where Marry had an objection to it. She was filled with the Holy Spirit, show where she refused to carry the child in any way shape or form. I again can show where she was ok with it. It would ONLY be considered intervening if she was not ok with it. doesn't matter if she was ok or not....if God tell her she is having a baby...it's not a "damn"(no pun intended) thing she can do about, I'm still waiting on your to explain how she could have stopped a pregnancy from God .... |
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Again, the two have nothing to do with one another eg., taking of Adam's rib and free will. It did not physically force Adam to do anything. That is all free will is, is YOUR ability to do any action you wish to physically do. God could have taken his arm, his leg, the hair off his head, matters none, point still remains it didn't force Adam to do an action nor did it restrict him from doing anything. Therefore no free was taken away. right...if you need an organ just put someone to sleep and take them...it has nothing to do with their "Free Will" Cowboy...you guys are getting scary Explain how it took his free will away. What did it force him to do without his consent or force him not to do something. Adam was lonely, so God made him a spouse. The how's matters none. It did not force Adam to do anything he did not want to do nor did it restrict him from doing anything. Again, after again, after again, that is the ONLY thing free will pertains to, one's actions. Cowboy.....putting people to sleep to steal their organs without their permission is sociopathic behavior ....those that believe it doesn't violate "Free WIll" has a sociopathic mentality |
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If god is indeed a spirit, then he is irrelivent in a material universe. If he or she or it is a spirit, then he or she or it has no brain, if he, she or it has no brain, then he, she or it has no consciousness or thought. If he , she or it has none of those attributes, he, she or it has no say nor power to prevent, create or cause anything, so to blame nothingness for something is totally idiotic.
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