Prophecy is the proof that there is no "Free WIll"

the shooter attended church and was influenced by the word of God

How so?

A prophesy is purely knowledge of something that will happen in the future. Doesn't mean it forces it to happen.

Was not influenced by God, what he did was totally against God's laws and will. Regardless if that is what he claimed or not in an attempt to justify his actions.

not that I read.. the original questions was.. Are we beyond needing GOD.

that is a valid question in these dire times.. I believe in GOD but that doesn't make me a fanatic.. I still know in my heart right from wrong, moral and immoral.. the OP was simply asking if we were beyond needing to believe in GOD.. at least that was my interpretation..

sorry..

I don't agree.. there is ALWAYS free will.. however if one allows their naivete to out-way logic.. then they deserve whatever 'fate' they allow to happen.. but I believe that even if one says it's a PROPHECY.. one still has the right to stand up and fight.. even though the prophecy may dictate they lay down and die (so to speak)

just because he proclaims such.. doesn't make it so..

I believe it's easier for this kind of criminal to choose the 'insanity' route as a defense as there's no other justifiable way to explain their insidious acts otherwise.. saying GOD told me to.. and to be sent off to a cushy asylum so they can keep ranting like a lunatic sounds easier than having to worry about a harsh prison life.. just sayin.. there COULD be a method to their madness....

either a prophecy is forced to take place...or The Father is not omniscient ...take your pick

if he heard the word of God then that is justification, if God didn't want him to do it...he would have stopped him

What are you talking about Funches?

A prophecy is PURELY knowledge of an even that will happen. That's it.

It's not God made a prophecy so it will happen because he did. No, he gave the prophecy to give knowledge of something that will take place. Not because it has to, not because he forced it to happen, but because he already knew it would happen and shared that knowledge with us.

Zero-effect...clearly as a follower you can't believe that you have any "Free Will" to stop a prophecy of God

so someone that goes to church and does what they believe is the Will of God is suffering from Madness?

What are you going on about Funches?

Yes one would have the ability to stop a prophecy in that context. But no one would stop it, because God would never have given that prophecy in the first place if it was going to be stopped, cause it wouldn't be a prophecy if that happened.

God doesn't cause the prophecies to happen Funches, he doesn't force them to, he just knows what will happen before hand, thus he gives that little bit of knowledge to us of things that will happen, and we refer to those as prophecies.

??? What are you talking about Funches?


We all know the will of God, there is no "if one believes". God has already explicitly told us what his will is. If one wants to believe that or not is another story. But as in for the will itself, God has already told us what it is.

And keeping it in context of what we're talking about here. God has explicitly told us not to do what that man did in that church, therefore it is completely against God's will..

Cowboy.... Virgins do not get pregnant unless someone or "something"(no pun intended) force it to happen

didn't you claim that you took a personal walk with God...so how would you know the shooter didn't do the same and that's why he did what he did

you guys keep trying to skip around the issue...if God didn't want it to take place...then why didn't God stop it from taking place

where was God?

if you really believe I am a follower.. then I daresay your perceptions of me are wrong.. I am not a follower, I question, constantly.. if GOD told me to jump off a bridge.. I'd tell him NO.. because I know (logically) he would never ask that of me.. I have led quite a remarkable life so far.. and I'm not done yet either.. but I always look to him as a sounding board to better understand myself and others reactions to truth and life.. although at times.. I can't always comprehend the purpose.. I can change a) how I react to it.. and b) whether or not I take action.. wherein comes, I believe, the Free Will part

please don't add generalization to a specific point.. I was speaking solely to the pretext of an insanity plea..

simply put.. where they pretend to be MAD (or insanely fanatical in this case)to achieve a somewhat easier sentence to life in an asylum as opposed to a life in a maximum security prison.. thus.. a "method" to their "madness"

in answer to your above query? again simply put.. no!

Zero-effect...you might want to read the story of Abraham and Isaac



I remember God putting Adam to sleep before stealing one of his ribs, don't you also believed that Adam had "Free Will"?.....which is why I'm unclear how you believe that you have the "Free Will" to stop a prophecy of God