Topic: Where was God?
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Thu 12/27/12 07:37 AM

so if parents knew that one of their children had guns and in route to a school to kill other children...the parents wouldn't intervene or do anything to stop the impending massacre?, but instead would see fit to just step back and allow their child to live their life under the title of "Free Will"

this is insane



Another correct statement. That would be totally insane.

And that particular post is a bit off in left field lol, but nevertheless would be insane.

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Thu 12/27/12 08:13 AM


so if parents knew that one of their children had guns and in route to a school to kill other children...the parents wouldn't intervene or do anything to stop the impending massacre?, but instead would see fit to just step back and allow their child to live their life under the title of "Free Will"

this is insane



Another correct statement. That would be totally insane.

And that particular post is a bit off in left field lol, but nevertheless would be insane.



Why wouldn't the parent try to stop the child with the gun from leaving? What are you talking about Funches?

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Thu 12/27/12 08:59 AM

so if parents knew that one of their children had guns and in route to a school to kill other children...the parents wouldn't intervene or do anything to stop the impending massacre?, but instead would see fit to just step back and allow their child to live their life under the title of "Free Will"

this is insane



it was simply a metaphor.. intervening to prevent any type random act of madness is a moral responsibility to any human parent.. I agree.. but please don't read anything ambiguous in my statement

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Thu 12/27/12 10:45 AM



so if parents knew that one of their children had guns and in route to a school to kill other children...the parents wouldn't intervene or do anything to stop the impending massacre?, but instead would see fit to just step back and allow their child to live their life under the title of "Free Will"

this is insane



Another correct statement. That would be totally insane.

And that particular post is a bit off in left field lol, but nevertheless would be insane.



Why wouldn't the parent try to stop the child with the gun from leaving? What are you talking about Funches?


I believe he was referring to a collective quote I posted in... where I had metaphorically compared GOD to being a good parent..

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Thu 12/27/12 11:14 AM


so if parents knew that one of their children had guns and in route to a school to kill other children...the parents wouldn't intervene or do anything to stop the impending massacre?, but instead would see fit to just step back and allow their child to live their life under the title of "Free Will"

this is insane



it was simply a metaphor.. intervening to prevent any type random act of madness is a moral responsibility to any human parent.. I agree.. but please don't read anything ambiguous in my statement


That and ya'lls comparison on parent to child in comparison to God and us is a bit off here. We are to be as a child when coming to God, yes this is true. But we are grown adults, accountable for our actions. So of course God wouldn't swat our hands when we do something wrong, again we are grown adults.

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Thu 12/27/12 11:36 AM



so if parents knew that one of their children had guns and in route to a school to kill other children...the parents wouldn't intervene or do anything to stop the impending massacre?, but instead would see fit to just step back and allow their child to live their life under the title of "Free Will"

this is insane



Another correct statement. That would be totally insane.

And that particular post is a bit off in left field lol, but nevertheless would be insane.



Why wouldn't the parent try to stop the child with the gun from leaving? What are you talking about Funches?


perhaps you should ask "God The Father" aka "the parent" why he didn't stop the child

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Thu 12/27/12 11:37 AM
Edited by funches on Thu 12/27/12 11:41 AM


so if parents knew that one of their children had guns and in route to a school to kill other children...the parents wouldn't intervene or do anything to stop the impending massacre?, but instead would see fit to just step back and allow their child to live their life under the title of "Free Will"

this is insane



it was simply a metaphor.. intervening to prevent any type random act of madness is a moral responsibility to any human parent.. I agree.. but please don't read anything ambiguous in my statement


it wasn't a metaphor, it was a comparision .....also why do responsibility only applies to "human parents" but not to God the Father parent?...


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Thu 12/27/12 11:52 AM



so if parents knew that one of their children had guns and in route to a school to kill other children...the parents wouldn't intervene or do anything to stop the impending massacre?, but instead would see fit to just step back and allow their child to live their life under the title of "Free Will"

this is insane



it was simply a metaphor.. intervening to prevent any type random act of madness is a moral responsibility to any human parent.. I agree.. but please don't read anything ambiguous in my statement


That and ya'lls comparison on parent to child in comparison to God and us is a bit off here. We are to be as a child when coming to God, yes this is true. But we are grown adults, accountable for our actions. So of course God wouldn't swat our hands when we do something wrong, again we are grown adults.


that was kinda the point I was trying to make originally.. that GOD wouldn't swat us at this juncture beCAUSE we are grown adults.. similarly.. I do not interfere with my kids decisions as they are now adults and responsible for their own actions.. although I only offer them pearls of wisdom from years of life experience(as any good parent, in my opinion, should do).. howEVER.. I WOULD intervene if the situation was dire or immoral and warranted it.. as I had said.. any HUMAN parent.. leaving GOD out of that equation.. but understandably, this can happen when one's thoughts are misinterpreted from the original context they were given

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Thu 12/27/12 12:16 PM



so if parents knew that one of their children had guns and in route to a school to kill other children...the parents wouldn't intervene or do anything to stop the impending massacre?, but instead would see fit to just step back and allow their child to live their life under the title of "Free Will"

this is insane



it was simply a metaphor.. intervening to prevent any type random act of madness is a moral responsibility to any human parent.. I agree.. but please don't read anything ambiguous in my statement


it wasn't a metaphor, it was a comparision .....also why do responsibility only applies to "human parents" but not to God the Father parent?...




I really did mean it to be a metaphor.. but it could also be perceived as a comparison.. so I'll give you that..

as to responsibility only applying to HUMAN parents? it doesn't(in my opinion).. I speak to GOD regularly and I always get the guidance and answers I need to live life honestly and justly.. he never tells me what to do.. but he sure shows me(sometimes in obscurity) what CAN be done to make things as they should be OR better.. so if one really listens and looks for the answers to their questions.. they WILL find them through faith..

I'm amazed at how easy my relationship with him is.. how all my questions are answered.. but like any good child that still has much to learn.. I look to him for guidance.. which in my case, all boils down to just having simple conversations with GOD

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Thu 12/27/12 12:24 PM

that was kinda the point I was trying to make originally.. that GOD wouldn't swat us at this juncture beCAUSE we are grown adults.. similarly.. I do not interfere with my kids decisions as they are now adults and responsible for their own actions.. although I only offer them pearls of wisdom from years of life experience(as any good parent, in my opinion, should do).. howEVER.. I WOULD intervene if the situation was dire or immoral and warranted it.. as I had said.. any HUMAN parent.. leaving GOD out of that equation.. but understandably, this can happen when one's thoughts are misinterpreted from the original context they were given


so now we know that as a human parent you would intervene if your grown adult child plotted a massacre,..what would that reveal about a parent that wouldn't intervene....but alas, the thread ask why would God not intervene under the same circumstances

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Thu 12/27/12 12:36 PM
I believe he does.. but people have to make the effort to listen, if they really want to hear what he has to say..

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Thu 12/27/12 12:41 PM


that was kinda the point I was trying to make originally.. that GOD wouldn't swat us at this juncture beCAUSE we are grown adults.. similarly.. I do not interfere with my kids decisions as they are now adults and responsible for their own actions.. although I only offer them pearls of wisdom from years of life experience(as any good parent, in my opinion, should do).. howEVER.. I WOULD intervene if the situation was dire or immoral and warranted it.. as I had said.. any HUMAN parent.. leaving GOD out of that equation.. but understandably, this can happen when one's thoughts are misinterpreted from the original context they were given


so now we know that as a human parent you would intervene if your grown adult child plotted a massacre,..what would that reveal about a parent that wouldn't intervene....but alas, the thread ask why would God not intervene under the same circumstances



the thread ask why would God not intervene under the same circumstances


Because God doesn't "intervene". If he did, that would be taking our free will away. There would be no need for it, if he would simply "intervene".

God instructs, then rewards us for our obedience or disobedience. The reward received in accordance to what we're being rewarded for eg., the only reward for sin is death.

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Fri 12/28/12 06:04 AM

I believe he does.. but people have to make the effort to listen, if they really want to hear what he has to say..


those that mass murder others generally makes claim that they were listening to God


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Fri 12/28/12 06:30 AM

Because God doesn't "intervene". If he did, that would be taking our free will away. There would be no need for it, if he would simply "intervene".


right...God doesn't simply "intervene" and cause miracles..Satan does


God instructs, then rewards us for our obedience or disobedience. The reward received in accordance to what we're being rewarded for eg., the only reward for sin is death.


so those in the massacre were getting a reward


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Fri 12/28/12 01:35 PM


I believe he does.. but people have to make the effort to listen, if they really want to hear what he has to say..


those that mass murder others generally makes claim that they were listening to God




this is true.. but obviously there was a lot left to personal interpretation.. I wasn't, of course, speaking of fanaticism.. common sense does have to play some role in the equation though.. wouldn't you think? mind you.. there are always exceptions to every rule..

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Fri 12/28/12 07:58 PM

Fox News is beyond anything.

Aside from that, religion shouldn't have a public discourse on national news...The problem isn't God, the problem is all of us.


well and that God does not have a "where" (as in location)

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Sat 12/29/12 05:58 AM


Because God doesn't "intervene". If he did, that would be taking our free will away. There would be no need for it, if he would simply "intervene".


right...God doesn't simply "intervene" and cause miracles..Satan does


God instructs, then rewards us for our obedience or disobedience. The reward received in accordance to what we're being rewarded for eg., the only reward for sin is death.


so those in the massacre were getting a reward





right...God doesn't simply "intervene" and cause miracles..Satan does


Miracles are not "intervening".

Intervening would be God taking someone's free will away and controlling them for that time being.


so those in the massacre were getting a reward


What massacre?

The flood? We know not if those people are dead or not. We know not what judgement each and every one of those people received.

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Sat 12/29/12 06:40 AM



I believe he does.. but people have to make the effort to listen, if they really want to hear what he has to say..


those that mass murder others generally makes claim that they were listening to God




this is true.. but obviously there was a lot left to personal interpretation.. I wasn't, of course, speaking of fanaticism.. common sense does have to play some role in the equation though.. wouldn't you think? mind you.. there are always exceptions to every rule..


isn't fanaticism what this thread is addressing ...

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Sat 12/29/12 06:56 AM

Miracles are not "intervening".

Intervening would be God taking someone's free will away and controlling them for that time being.


yep Cowboy, that's what a Miracle is...it controlled Mary for 9 months


What massacre?


jeez Cowboy...go back to the first page of this thread and click on the link on the first post and watch the video ....

you must learn to stay focus my young Jedi padawan

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Sat 12/29/12 07:56 AM


Miracles are not "intervening".

Intervening would be God taking someone's free will away and controlling them for that time being.


yep Cowboy, that's what a Miracle is...it controlled Mary for 9 months


What massacre?


jeez Cowboy...go back to the first page of this thread and click on the link on the first post and watch the video ....

you must learn to stay focus my young Jedi padawan



yep Cowboy, that's what a Miracle is...it controlled Mary for 9 months


Again, what are you talking about? Show some evidence where God "controlled' Mary for those 9 months... show me where he forced her to do anything. She could have very well freaked out and killed the child either while in her or when it came out if she had wanted to. Please show me where there was any free will taken away.


jeez Cowboy...go back to the first page of this thread and click on the link on the first post and watch the video


Already did. But God has caused nor instigated, nor anything along those lines with any massacre. So didn't know what you were talking about.