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Topic: Where was God?
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 04:01 PM
Cowboy, you are missing my point, truth or fact does not rest on anyones achknowledgment of truth or facts. It does not matter if they believed the world to be flat or not. The planets true circumfrence already was what it is. Them believing one thing did not hinder the fact. Fact is not fact because we believe it or not, truth and fact have there own place, does NOT believing in god negate your belief? Does an atheists disbelief negate your belief? I doubt it. No you missed my point. I agree just because someone accepts it as fact doesn't make it so. I was only using the world being flat as an example to show that this world doesn't truly know as much as they think they know. It is only seen as being "known" because it has been accepted by people. Because all in all, this world could very well be flat for all you know for sure. Because the only knowledge you have on anything comes from a third party that you have placed faith in as being true. You have placed your faith in science being true and I have placed my faith in God being true. The laws of mathematics (gods language) go totally bare witness to the firmaments of the circunfrence. My third party need not require faith, but mathematical logic. But consider this, what source does one get knowledge from ? Man, or ghost? Neither, all knowledge comes from God. Laws of mathematics is man made my friend. Man has flaws, we/they do not know everything. If we knew everything, there would be no longer any need for the use of "science". Faith defines your logic, now who is God and where did he come from? God is the one whom created everything, God is whom is in charge of us. God didn't "come" from anywhere. He has always existed and always will. He has no beginning nor any end, he is the beginning and the end. Because there was no before God and again nor any after God. "I am the Alpha and the Omega" the begining and the end. This clearly suggests that God has a beginning which would contradict your position and belief that he always was. The end also suggests that he has an end, as do all things. Does not contradict anything. He IS the beginning, there is no before God. Because again God has always been. He IS the beginning and he IS the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. Nonsence, illogical, irrational and ignorant. To suggest that god was always hear and always will be is contrary to common sence and logic. If this is fact, then proof of that fact can be presented. The Universe is all material, your god is a mystery, ghost and unseen. If he is a holy ghost, then he has no brain, if he has no brain he then has no mind, if he has no mind he has no consciousness, if he has none of the above then he has no power to create the material universe. Whomever created the universe was of flesh, not an unseen ghost. No God has not always been "here", because "here" has not always been. Yes the universe is all material, it hasn't always existed either. God made the Heaven, Earth, all the stars/planets, and everything else. How could whom ever created the universe be of flesh? Heck according to your science, this "flesh" hasn't even been here 5000 years.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 12/30/12 04:50 PM
Let me see if I got this right, first you say Habakkuk is not a book in the bible, now you say sciance of 5000 years. Science is eternal, that is for sure. Your god if not of flesh, then what does he consists of? Prove your god created all you claim. If you can not grasp the fact that the earth is 196,940, 000 square miles, the circumfrence is 24,000 miles, the diameter is 7,926 miles, the area of land is 57,225,000 square miles, yet claim to know that the immaterial can create the material. This does not add up. If you claim that noone actually know these things for certainty, then how can you know what god did or did not do. Considering your position in regards to gods makeup, I think logic and reasoned thinking would conclude that there is no proof that the immaterial has ever created material, at least not short of folklore.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 04:59 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 12/30/12 05:01 PM
Let me see if I got this right, first you say Habakkuk is not a book in the bible, now you say sciance of 5000 years. Science is eternal, that is for sure. Your god if not of flesh, then what does he consists of? Prove your god created all you claim. If you can not grasp the fact that the earth is 196,940, 000 square miles, the circumfrence is 24,000 miles, the diameter is 7,926 miles, the area of land is 57,225,000 square miles, yet claim to know that the immaterial can create the material. This does not add up. If you claim that noone actually know these things for certainty, then how can you know what god did or did not do. Considering your position in regards to gods makeup, I think logic and reasoned thinking would conclude that there is no proof that the immaterial has ever created material, at least not short of folklore. The age of the earth was merely for example purposes. I know they claim it to be millions of years old for example the dinosaurs and what not. What does it matter the size of the Earth? What's that got to do with anything? And why can't none materialistic create materialistic? How many tests have they done on that in science? None, they couldn't possibly even test that to find out, for the one doing the testing and or any instruments used to do the testing would be materialistic. So where did our "life" come from? Or any life for that matter. Why only this planet? Why hasn't many other planets gained life in the same way this planet did by accident? Because if there was truly any "aliens" they would have long before wiped us out. Heck there was "alien" sightings long before we would have had the technology to go up against something that had the technology to go to another planet, and survive the atmosphere at that. So again, if there is no God, why has only this planet gained life forms? Any other planet has just as much chance/opportunity to do it in the same way science believes this one did. Let me see if I got this right, first you say Habakkuk is not a book in the bible Please do give the information on what "Holy Bible" contains Habakkuk

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 12/30/12 05:55 PM Edited by Ras427 on Sun 12/30/12 06:00 PM
If your bibles old testament does not contain the book of Habakkuk, one should ask oneself as to why? Why does the bible I have have it and yours does not? The answer is simple: they are all corrupted. This corrupt state of present scripture is at the essence of mankinds state of mental death, as well as why you have so many unanswered questions. You as a believer of your faith should not have questions, but answeres. A student of any source of learning must answer these questions before one propagates the beliefs of that learning. Has not god told you? Iv never claimed that there is no god. If one truly understand whats left of scripture, one will realize that god never claims to be other then what he is. A supreme being. Not a supreme ghost. If scripture is indeed prophetic, then that means that much is yet to come to past. Mary is symbolic of the much needed impregnation of a people in need of divine guidence. A dispised people, a poor people, a down trodden people. Jesus of 2000 years a go is a prefigured jesus. The historical jesus is but the prefigured prophetic jesus who is to reserrect the mentaly dead of the world. The holy ghost is another symbolic prophecy of that resserection, holy means the TRUTH, ghost is symbolic of the unseen arrival of that truth, that came as a thief in the night. The trinity has nothing to do with a ghost of a god, the true trinity is the father, consciousness, the son, the messenger, and the holy ghost, the unseen barer of the truth.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 12/30/12 06:16 PM Edited by Ras427 on Sun 12/30/12 06:17 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 06:18 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 12/30/12 06:22 PM
If your bibles old testament does not contain the book of Habakkuk, one should ask oneself as to why? Why does the bible I have have it and yours does not? The answer is simple: they are all corrupted. This corrupt state of present scripture is at the essence of mankinds state of mental death, as well as why you have so many unanswered questions. You as a believer of your faith should not have questions, but answeres. A student of any source of learning must answer these questions before one propagates the beliefs of that learning. Has not god told you? Iv never claimed that there is no god. If one truly understand whats left of scripture, one will realize that god never claims to be other then what he is. A supreme being. Not a supreme ghost. If scripture is indeed prophetic, then that means that much is yet to come to past. Mary is symbolic of the much needed impregnation of a people in need of divine guidence. A dispised people, a poor people, a down trodden people. Jesus of 2000 years a go is a prefigured jesus. The historical jesus is but the prefigured prophetic jesus who is to reserrect the mentaly dead of the world. The holy ghost is another symbolic prophecy of that resserection, holy means the TRUTH, ghost is symbolic of the unseen arrival of that truth, that came as a thief in the night. The trinity has nothing to do with a ghost of a god, the true trinity is the father, consciousness, the son, the messenger, and the holy ghost, the unseen barer of the truth. The bibles may not contain the book of Habakkuk, cause as you claimed it is old testament. There are many upon many books and scriptures that are not included in the average bible. Because it is not possible for one book to contain all the knowledge/scriptures we possess on/of God. And unanswered questions? I have NOOOOOOOOO idea what you are talking about there lol. I have none whatsoever of any unanswered questions. Secondly, no these things are not "symbolic". Mary for instance, how does that in any way symbolize the need for pregnancy's? That took me way by surprise you saying that. Jesus was a real breathing man. I will give you some third party none religious associated sources for Jesus' existence if you wish. God has everything to do with a "ghost". A ghost is a none embodied spirit. God does not live in flesh, he is a spirit, he is a none embodied spirit. Only in the society of the world do we look at a ghost as someone that has died. And no Jesus' resurrection is not symbolic of anything. He literally died, was in hell for 3 days, defeated death, and rose to return to his glory in Heaven. You really think thousands of years ago, they had the concept of the world being mentally dead? Come on now, the only "world" they knew was right there on their continent.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 06:21 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many. Please do enlighten us with this "unseen barer of the truth" scripture.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 12/30/12 06:33 PM Edited by Ras427 on Sun 12/30/12 06:38 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many. Please do enlighten us with this "unseen barer of the truth" scripture. The son of man, unseen or ghost refers to his undetected arrival. Your doctrines should have taught you that. Holy refers to the truth not known by the mislead. Satans favorate day is Sunday, he rejoices in the knowing that the masses are but blind sheep. Noone rises from physical death. And children can not be born without a man and woman laying down together. If you cant or dont know the circumfrence of your home world, I highly doubt you can present proof that jesus was in hell 3 days, then rose from death. Utter nonsence.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 06:41 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many. Please do enlighten us with this "unseen barer of the truth" scripture. The son of man, unseen or ghost refers to his undetected arrival. Your doctrines should have taught you that. Holy refers to the truth not known by the mislead. Satans favorate day is Sunday, he rejoices in the knowing that the masses are but blind sheep. Noone rises from physical death. And children can not be born without a man and woman laying down together. If you cant or dont know the circumfrence of your home world, I highly doubt you can present proof that jesus was in hell 3 days, then rose from death. Utter nonsence. ??? What in the world are you getting at? So you come talking like you know what you're talking about, about the unknown? How does that even work? If it is "unknown" why do you know? If you do not know, what is your point in posting?

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 12/30/12 06:49 PM
Cowboy, the entire bible is symbolic. Woman can not bare children without a man. The dead physically never rise again. If jesus was in hell 3 days and rose, I doubt you nor anyone be able to prove that no more then I can prove short of a shuttle that the planet has a circumfrence of 24,896 miles.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 06:53 PM
Cowboy, the entire bible is symbolic. Woman can not bare children without a man. The dead physically never rise again. If jesus was in hell 3 days and rose, I doubt you nor anyone be able to prove that no more then I can prove short of a shuttle that the planet has a circumfrence of 24,896 miles. The entire bible is not symbolic, where did you get that? Woman can if that is God's will, anything and everything can be done at God's will. And you can't disprove the bible anymore then I can prove it and no one's here to prove anything. NOTHING can be "proven" when spiritually speaking. It can't be proven God is real, nor can it be proven God isn't real. But again, no one's here discussing that, that is not the topic at hand. Please stay on topic of the discussion and not come to causes disruptions in the forum.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 12/30/12 06:54 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many. Please do enlighten us with this "unseen barer of the truth" scripture. The son of man, unseen or ghost refers to his undetected arrival. Your doctrines should have taught you that. Holy refers to the truth not known by the mislead. Satans favorate day is Sunday, he rejoices in the knowing that the masses are but blind sheep. Noone rises from physical death. And children can not be born without a man and woman laying down together. If you cant or dont know the circumfrence of your home world, I highly doubt you can present proof that jesus was in hell 3 days, then rose from death. Utter nonsence. ??? What in the world are you getting at? So you come talking like you know what you're talking about, about the unknown? How does that even work? If it is "unknown" why do you know? If you do not know, what is your point in posting? Have you actually read the bible? You mean to tell me you have not read the scripture where jesus describes the arrival of he who will follow him? You just finished posting about god and what he does and how he came to be however absurd it is, and now you ask such a question? Have you not heard of a messiah being the son of man? Sorry dyde, you are obviousely not ready for this, you are confused.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 06:57 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many. Please do enlighten us with this "unseen barer of the truth" scripture. The son of man, unseen or ghost refers to his undetected arrival. Your doctrines should have taught you that. Holy refers to the truth not known by the mislead. Satans favorate day is Sunday, he rejoices in the knowing that the masses are but blind sheep. Noone rises from physical death. And children can not be born without a man and woman laying down together. If you cant or dont know the circumfrence of your home world, I highly doubt you can present proof that jesus was in hell 3 days, then rose from death. Utter nonsence. ??? What in the world are you getting at? So you come talking like you know what you're talking about, about the unknown? How does that even work? If it is "unknown" why do you know? If you do not know, what is your point in posting? Have you actually read the bible? You mean to tell me you have not read the scripture where jesus describes the arrival of he who will follow him? You just finished posting about god and what he does and how he came to be however absurd it is, and now you ask such a question? Have you not heard of a messiah being the son of man? Sorry dyde, you are obviousely not ready for this, you are confused. Wow, lol you always just ramble on? Yes Jesus did refer to someone after him. And Jesus IS the messiah, he is the son of man. What does any of this have anything to do with the topic at hand? And if you're going to discuss, please try to have some structure and purpose to your posting other then trying to belittle and make the other look'a fool.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 06:57 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many. Please do enlighten us with this "unseen barer of the truth" scripture. The son of man, unseen or ghost refers to his undetected arrival. Your doctrines should have taught you that. Holy refers to the truth not known by the mislead. Satans favorate day is Sunday, he rejoices in the knowing that the masses are but blind sheep. Noone rises from physical death. And children can not be born without a man and woman laying down together. If you cant or dont know the circumfrence of your home world, I highly doubt you can present proof that jesus was in hell 3 days, then rose from death. Utter nonsence. ??? What in the world are you getting at? So you come talking like you know what you're talking about, about the unknown? How does that even work? If it is "unknown" why do you know? If you do not know, what is your point in posting? Have you actually read the bible? You mean to tell me you have not read the scripture where jesus describes the arrival of he who will follow him? You just finished posting about god and what he does and how he came to be however absurd it is, and now you ask such a question? Have you not heard of a messiah being the son of man? Sorry dyde, you are obviousely not ready for this, you are confused. Wow, lol you always just ramble on? Yes Jesus did refer to someone after him. And Jesus IS the messiah, he is the son of man. What does any of this have anything to do with the topic at hand? And if you're going to discuss, please try to have some structure and purpose to your posting other then trying to belittle and make the other look'a fool.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 12/30/12 07:01 PM
Cowboy, the entire bible is symbolic. Woman can not bare children without a man. The dead physically never rise again. If jesus was in hell 3 days and rose, I doubt you nor anyone be able to prove that no more then I can prove short of a shuttle that the planet has a circumfrence of 24,896 miles. The entire bible is not symbolic, where did you get that? Woman can if that is God's will, anything and everything can be done at God's will. And you can't disprove the bible anymore then I can prove it and no one's here to prove anything. NOTHING can be "proven" when spiritually speaking. It can't be proven God is real, nor can it be proven God isn't real. But again, no one's here discussing that, that is not the topic at hand. Please stay on topic of the discussion and not come to causes disruptions in the forum. I have enough common sence and logic to understand that no woman will ever, nor has ever been impregnated without a man. Now its a disruption? Why not when you profess to know what happened a long time ago. My point in this discusion is and has been that there is no ghost or spirit that can create a material universe. You can believe that jesus was in hell 3 days and rose from physical death all you want. It wpnt make it fact nor truth. Finally the mind is the spirit of the body. Now all of a sudden im disrupting the topic, because I dont by the nonsence.?

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 12/30/12 07:06 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many. Please do enlighten us with this "unseen barer of the truth" scripture. The son of man, unseen or ghost refers to his undetected arrival. Your doctrines should have taught you that. Holy refers to the truth not known by the mislead. Satans favorate day is Sunday, he rejoices in the knowing that the masses are but blind sheep. Noone rises from physical death. And children can not be born without a man and woman laying down together. If you cant or dont know the circumfrence of your home world, I highly doubt you can present proof that jesus was in hell 3 days, then rose from death. Utter nonsence. ??? What in the world are you getting at? So you come talking like you know what you're talking about, about the unknown? How does that even work? If it is "unknown" why do you know? If you do not know, what is your point in posting? Have you actually read the bible? You mean to tell me you have not read the scripture where jesus describes the arrival of he who will follow him? You just finished posting about god and what he does and how he came to be however absurd it is, and now you ask such a question? Have you not heard of a messiah being the son of man? Sorry dyde, you are obviousely not ready for this, you are confused. Wow, lol you always just ramble on? Yes Jesus did refer to someone after him. And Jesus IS the messiah, he is the son of man. What does any of this have anything to do with the topic at hand? And if you're going to discuss, please try to have some structure and purpose to your posting other then trying to belittle and make the other look'a fool. If jesus is the messiah, then who is coming after him? If he is the son of man, wouldnt that make man god? Afterall, if he is the son of a man, who is that man? The son of man is the coming messiah, which is according to your bible the ghost. Again who is coming after him?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 07:08 PM
Cowboy, the entire bible is symbolic. Woman can not bare children without a man. The dead physically never rise again. If jesus was in hell 3 days and rose, I doubt you nor anyone be able to prove that no more then I can prove short of a shuttle that the planet has a circumfrence of 24,896 miles. The entire bible is not symbolic, where did you get that? Woman can if that is God's will, anything and everything can be done at God's will. And you can't disprove the bible anymore then I can prove it and no one's here to prove anything. NOTHING can be "proven" when spiritually speaking. It can't be proven God is real, nor can it be proven God isn't real. But again, no one's here discussing that, that is not the topic at hand. Please stay on topic of the discussion and not come to causes disruptions in the forum. I have enough common sence and logic to understand that no woman will ever, nor has ever been impregnated without a man. Now its a disruption? Why not when you profess to know what happened a long time ago. My point in this discusion is and has been that there is no ghost or spirit that can create a material universe. You can believe that jesus was in hell 3 days and rose from physical death all you want. It wpnt make it fact nor truth. Finally the mind is the spirit of the body. Now all of a sudden im disrupting the topic, because I dont by the nonsence.? No, that's not why. You only come to downgrade and belittle. You have you did not come to "discuss" the topic nor discuss at all. None of what you mentioned about you not believing in even applies to the discussion, fine you don't believe, why do you come and discus in a place about things you don't believe in? What's the point in that? And no it doesn't make it fact or true, nor does your denying what is said make that fact or true. We're merely expressing our spiritual beliefs of the topic at hand. You have said you do not believe, so you have no belief there, why in the world would you come into a place to discuss something you do not believe in? Do you see us going into say the Science forum belittling those beliefs? No, we come to where we are suppose to discuss our beliefs. You wish to talk science facts, they also have a forum for that. No need to bring disruption to a forum about things you don't believe in, again just as us that do believe in some form of religion don't go to the science forum belittling their thoughts and ideas. It's called respect Ras.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 07:11 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many. Please do enlighten us with this "unseen barer of the truth" scripture. The son of man, unseen or ghost refers to his undetected arrival. Your doctrines should have taught you that. Holy refers to the truth not known by the mislead. Satans favorate day is Sunday, he rejoices in the knowing that the masses are but blind sheep. Noone rises from physical death. And children can not be born without a man and woman laying down together. If you cant or dont know the circumfrence of your home world, I highly doubt you can present proof that jesus was in hell 3 days, then rose from death. Utter nonsence. ??? What in the world are you getting at? So you come talking like you know what you're talking about, about the unknown? How does that even work? If it is "unknown" why do you know? If you do not know, what is your point in posting? Have you actually read the bible? You mean to tell me you have not read the scripture where jesus describes the arrival of he who will follow him? You just finished posting about god and what he does and how he came to be however absurd it is, and now you ask such a question? Have you not heard of a messiah being the son of man? Sorry dyde, you are obviousely not ready for this, you are confused. Wow, lol you always just ramble on? Yes Jesus did refer to someone after him. And Jesus IS the messiah, he is the son of man. What does any of this have anything to do with the topic at hand? And if you're going to discuss, please try to have some structure and purpose to your posting other then trying to belittle and make the other look'a fool. If jesus is the messiah, then who is coming after him? If he is the son of man, wouldnt that make man god? Afterall, if he is the son of a man, who is that man? The son of man is the coming messiah, which is according to your bible the ghost. Again who is coming after him? I do not know, we are not explicitly informed on just who it is that was to come after Jesus came. And what does that have any connection to him being the messiah or not?

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 12/30/12 07:20 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many. Please do enlighten us with this "unseen barer of the truth" scripture. The son of man, unseen or ghost refers to his undetected arrival. Your doctrines should have taught you that. Holy refers to the truth not known by the mislead. Satans favorate day is Sunday, he rejoices in the knowing that the masses are but blind sheep. Noone rises from physical death. And children can not be born without a man and woman laying down together. If you cant or dont know the circumfrence of your home world, I highly doubt you can present proof that jesus was in hell 3 days, then rose from death. Utter nonsence. ??? What in the world are you getting at? So you come talking like you know what you're talking about, about the unknown? How does that even work? If it is " unknown" why do you know? If you do not know, what is your point in posting? Have you actually read the bible? You mean to tell me you have not read the scripture where jesus describes the arrival of he who will follow him? You just finished posting about god and what he does and how he came to be however absurd it is, and now you ask such a question? Have you not heard of a messiah being the son of man? Sorry dyde, you are obviousely not ready for this, you are confused. Wow, lol you always just ramble on? Yes Jesus did refer to someone after him. And Jesus IS the messiah, he is the son of man. What does any of this have anything to do with the topic at hand? And if you're going to discuss, please try to have some structure and purpose to your posting other then trying to belittle and make the other look'a fool. If jesus is the messiah, then who is coming after him? If he is the son of man, wouldnt that make man god? Afterall, if he is the son of a man, who is that man? The son of man is the coming messiah, which is according to your bible the ghost. Again who is coming after him? I do not know, we are not explicitly informed on just who it is that was to come after Jesus came. And what does that have any connection to him being the messiah or not? My question was if jesus is the son of man, who is this man? And if jesus is the messiah, what is he that comes after represent?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/30/12 07:31 PM
That unseen barer of the truth is what scripture refers to as the son of man, which means that a man will bare the truth and come unseen, untected as a thief in the night. Many will comprehend him not. You are one of that many. Please do enlighten us with this "unseen barer of the truth" scripture. The son of man, unseen or ghost refers to his undetected arrival. Your doctrines should have taught you that. Holy refers to the truth not known by the mislead. Satans favorate day is Sunday, he rejoices in the knowing that the masses are but blind sheep. Noone rises from physical death. And children can not be born without a man and woman laying down together. If you cant or dont know the circumfrence of your home world, I highly doubt you can present proof that jesus was in hell 3 days, then rose from death. Utter nonsence. ??? What in the world are you getting at? So you come talking like you know what you're talking about, about the unknown? How does that even work? If it is " unknown" why do you know? If you do not know, what is your point in posting? Have you actually read the bible? You mean to tell me you have not read the scripture where jesus describes the arrival of he who will follow him? You just finished posting about god and what he does and how he came to be however absurd it is, and now you ask such a question? Have you not heard of a messiah being the son of man? Sorry dyde, you are obviousely not ready for this, you are confused. Wow, lol you always just ramble on? Yes Jesus did refer to someone after him. And Jesus IS the messiah, he is the son of man. What does any of this have anything to do with the topic at hand? And if you're going to discuss, please try to have some structure and purpose to your posting other then trying to belittle and make the other look'a fool. If jesus is the messiah, then who is coming after him? If he is the son of man, wouldnt that make man god? Afterall, if he is the son of a man, who is that man? The son of man is the coming messiah, which is according to your bible the ghost. Again who is coming after him? I do not know, we are not explicitly informed on just who it is that was to come after Jesus came. And what does that have any connection to him being the messiah or not? My question was if jesus is the son of man, who is this man? And if jesus is the messiah, what is he that comes after represent? Man is us. He is son of man because he took on the form of the flesh and chose to come to the Earth in the fashion of how everyone does eg., being born. He is also the son of God for God is his father after taking on his form in the flesh. You will not find one verse referring to son of man or son of God before Jesus took on the form of a servant. And the one after Jesus doesn't 'represent' anything. He said someone will come after him, period. Don't know exactly what he ment by that or what exactly he was referring to. But it's not a 'representation' it's actually someone coming after him of importance.