News flash, a virgin can not bare children without a mans sperm. If Mary did give birth, its after having sex, artificial insemination was not invented yet.

If it would have been against her will, she would never have had to do it. She was a God loving woman, and she even specifically told him let your will be done.

Luke 1

38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

She even specifically said for it to happen. The angel came to her and told her, she said ok, let it happen. I do not entertain what if's, fact is she was ok with it, THEN she was conceived with Jesus. If she would not have been ok with it, it would never have happened. But again, she said let it be done.

There is no "facts" here. A woman cant, nor will she ever bare a child without a mans sperm. Anything short of this fact is mere religious beliefs.

it's require for followers to do the Will of their God whether they want to or not..it's called Faith

remember, you even said that you would allow God to impregnant you if he asked...

so again, I'm still waiting on your to explain how you or Mary could have use your "Free Will" to stop a prophecy pregnancy by God ....

It's only "religious belief" because you do not accept it and that is by all means your choice.

Things are only "fact" after one accepts it to be. For example, what exact proof do you have that the world is round? I can show you pictures of it being square if you want.

*please don't lead this off topic into any scientific discussion, I merely used that as an example of reason things are considered facts*

See you're still stuck on that Funches. Just because God gave the prophecy of it, doesn't mean that's the reason it happened. The prophecies are foreknowledge of something that God knows will take place.

Again as I showed, Mary was totally and completely ok with it, she said let it be done. If she wouldn't have been ok with it, there would never have even been a prophecy of it with her in the first place.

all the evidence points to the The Holy Spirit as being the sperm filled penis of God

no one worship the holy spirit but yet it's "supposedly" God ...
they claim that the holy spirit is not a "being" ..then what the hell(no pun intended) is it?
everytime a post-menopausal women or a virgin gets pregnant in the bible, it's due to the holy spirit being placed inside them

they were "filled" with the holy spirit or the holy spirit "came upon" them ... clear references to sperm being deposit

when someone ask if you have received The Holy Spirit...it means have you been flocked by God

a Father asking his daughter to have his child is imbreeding, abuse and creepy ...a daughter that agrees to have her Father's child clearly have mental issues

so again can you explain how mary can use her "Free Will" to stop a prophecy pregnancy from God her Father

just admit that she can't

The Holy Spirit is just that, God's Holy Spirit. And of course we worship the Holy Spirit, what are you talking about? Ever heard of the Trinity? The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost/spirit depending on the translation.

What are you talking about now Funches? Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. We all are creations of God, we are children of God through figuratively speaking cause of the lack of a better term. We are child of God by choice, when we give our lives over to him and are "born again". But nevertheless that is spiritually speaking.

And again, no she couldn't have stopped it. If she would have stopped it, there would never have been a prophecy of it happening. She was ok with it, willing to carry the child/Jesus. Thus why we even had the prophecy in the first place of it happening.

Cowboy...you were the one that said that The Holy Spirit was not a "Being" ...you also said that you didn't believe in The Trinty...

it's so much fun watching you leap from one belief to the next

but anyway...if the holy spirit is not a "being"...then what is it

Spirit..is another name for "sperm" ....

so you finally admit that Mary couldn't have stopped a pregnancy from God, no more than Adam could have stopped his rib from being stolen...and this is why there is no "Free Will"

Fact is the manifestation of truth, neither one needs your confirmation nor exceptence for truth or fact to be, facts are facts weither achknowledged or not. You can not show a fact anyother way then what it is unless one distorts it. You can not show the world to be anything outside of it mathamatical reality. A circumfrance can not be square. Its religious belief as long as it stands on irrational and illogical foundations. Everyone has a belief, THINGS THAT ARE FACTS REMAIN FACTS WEITHER YOU ACCEPT THEM OR NOT. BIBLICAL beliefs are beliefs as all others.

No I don't believe in the Trinity in the exact fashion it's believed int. And no the Holy Spirit is not a being on it's it own, again it's is God's Holy Spirit.

Not jumping from anything to anything, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

More in depth on exactly what the Holy Spirit is, The Holy Spirit is what comes in and resides in the one's that have been born again. That's where the expression of say "full of the Holy Spirit" comes from.

Again after again after again Funches lol, I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Mary becoming pregnant nor Adam's rib has ANYTHING to do with free will, it did not cause them to do something they weren't willing to do nor did it restrict them from doing something they wanted to. And again, Mary was totally ok with it, she gave God permission so to speak when she said "let your will be done".

Not true, you only accept them as facts. If things science claim are facts, why do we not still believe the world is flat? And many more changes in science facts through out time. It's only a fact because it is accepted as such.

And again, you can not absolutely prove the world is round. I don't care what you say, unless you can physically show me the world is round, then there's absolutely no direct proof of it. The ONLY way you would be able to do this, is if I personally got in a shuttle going into space and seen it with my own eyes the world was in fact round. That is the ONLY way it EVER could be a total fact without just believing on it by faith. So little question for you, have you ever been into space on a space shuttle and personally seen the world was round? If not, then any thing you think to be fact about that is purely taken on faith.

you stated that the holy spirit is what "comes in" and "resides in"?........see you even make the Holy Spirit sound like sperm from a penis

Cowboy...it only means that you approve of Father's getting their daughter's pregnant ...which is abuse

and you approve of people putting others to sleep to take their organs without their permission which is stealing

it displays how you hide behind religion to justify a lack of morality

Facts are a manifestation of truth. If I choose to believe a lie, does truth not still exist? Man does not nor ever will live on faith alone. The circumfrance of earth was confirmed before any shuttle flight because of a blueprint that all things have. To know if a house is structurly sound one does not need to enter the house, one simply needs the mathematical blueprint to confirm truth. Truth nor facts need our acceptance. Truth and facts remain while all things wither away. Example, when most Europeans believed the world was flat, it had its circumfrence eons before they even thaught of the question.

But you do not know what is fact or not fact Ras. You do not personally know, going with the example, they even did truly think the world was flat. That is just what you have been told, you and everyone else accepts it as fact. That people truly did believe the world was flat. But again, you have absolutely no way of absolutely proving that without a doubt, thus it is taken on faith.