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Well I shed my tears for the children.
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Well I shed my tears for the children. 
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Yet another tragic school massacre. I feel for the families of the victims.
I remember when severe gun ownership restrictions were placed upon Australians after the Port Arthur massacre. There was much protest and vehement opposition based on the infringement of rights, but the bottom line is, that it hasn't occurred since, and the likelihood is greatly diminished. Yet, this happens all too frequently in the US and other nations with restrictions on ownership don't have school massacres. I know the arguments on both sides, but that fact cannot be ignored. More children will die by gunshot at schools in the US. With each massacre comes the hope that it will be the last, but it isn't. |
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this country has to do something.can we turn schools into armed camps?
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Edited by
JustDukkyMkII
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Fri 12/14/12 03:10 PM
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A lot of nasty, psychopathic people stand to profit from the inevitable gun control debate that is already starting up (again) owing to this horrific massacre of innocents.
As much as this is a time for grieving, it is also a time for vigilance. We have to ask ourselves if it was the the right to keep and bear arms that killed those kids, or the creation of legislated "gun free zones" that prevented decent law-abiding folk from STOPPING the slaughter in what might be called "fish-in-a-barrel zones" for armed killers. If the staff had been armed and trained in the use of firearms, I seriously doubt that the death toll would have been so high; in fact I doubt the shooting would have even occurred if it had not been legislated as a "gun free zone." For their ignorance and lack of foresight, I'm inclined to hold the legislators responsible. After all. the stats should speak for themselves. Many of the mass killings of the last 15 years took place in "gun-free zones."...IMO it is those zones that should be outlawed. The legislation should be repealed. http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=92657 As sad as the reality is, and it is heart breaking , I wouldn't put it passed an element of some left wing faction influence to help push gun control laws. Whole wars have been staged and fought thru "false flag" operations, and using children as the victims makes it a shoe-in for legislation..... just wait and see! as stewart mentioned on his show the other day, w ith 30 gunrelated deaths in america every day there really is never a 'good' time for the discussion on common sense gun laws,, and its one worthy of having even if not today,,, So do we outlaw cars and recreation too? There are more deaths than that every day from those. 1st, I wouldnt support 'outlawing' guns, I only support regulations just like we have (already) for cars 2nd, cars have a purpose that isnt death or harm, as does recreation guns are manufactured for the purpose of death or harm, and therefore call for serious consideration and regulation,, Guns are also manufactured for PROTECTION from death & harm. How many innocent lives could have been saved if say, the decent citizens & staff in charge of the school had been properly trained in the use of guns and had them on hand at the time of the incident?...many I'm sure, if not all of them. http://www.thelonestarwatchdog.com/2012/12/14/nullifying-gun-free-zones-is-the-solution-to-stop-mass-shootings-not-gun-control/ |
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A lot of nasty, psychopathic people stand to profit from the inevitable gun control debate that is already starting up (again) owing to this horrific massacre of innocents. As much as this is a time for grieving, it is also a time for vigilance. We have to ask ourselves if it was the the right to keep and bear arms that killed those kids, or the creation of legislated "gun free zones" that prevented decent law-abiding folk from STOPPING the slaughter in what might be called "fish-in-a-barrel zones" for armed killers. If the staff had been armed and trained in the use of firearms, I seriously doubt that the death toll would have been so high; in fact I doubt the shooting would have even occurred if it had not been legislated as a "gun free zone." For their ignorance and lack of foresight, I'm inclined to hold the legislators responsible. After all. the stats should speak for themselves. Many of the mass killings of the last 15 years took place in "gun-free zones."...IMO it is those zones that should be outlawed. The legislation should be repealed. http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=92657 As sad as the reality is, and it is heart breaking , I wouldn't put it passed an element of some left wing faction influence to help push gun control laws. Whole wars have been staged and fought thru "false flag" operations, and using children as the victims makes it a shoe-in for legislation..... just wait and see! as stewart mentioned on his show the other day, w ith 30 gunrelated deaths in america every day there really is never a 'good' time for the discussion on common sense gun laws,, and its one worthy of having even if not today,,, So do we outlaw cars and recreation too? There are more deaths than that every day from those. 1st, I wouldnt support 'outlawing' guns, I only support regulations just like we have (already) for cars 2nd, cars have a purpose that isnt death or harm, as does recreation guns are manufactured for the purpose of death or harm, and therefore call for serious consideration and regulation,, Guns are also manufactured for PROTECTION from death & harm. How many innocent lives could have been saved if say, the decent citizens & staff in charge of the school had been properly trained in the use of guns and had them on hand at the time of the incident?...many I'm sure, if not all of them. http://www.thelonestarwatchdog.com/2012/12/14/nullifying-gun-free-zones-is-the-solution-to-stop-mass-shootings-not-gun-control/ even in 'protecting' , with a gun, it means harming or killing there is no way around it thats a serious issue, no matter what pro or con label its given just like advocates swear that criminals will have guns even with laws (so whats the harm, I say) opponents can easily argue that even armed citizens can fail to protect quickly or accurately enough in such a short period of panic and chaos having a gun is no more/less a guarantee of stopping crimes than it is of stopping criminals but putting regulations on gun ownership makes it a bit easier to tell the criminals from the 'law abiding' citizens just like giving a doctor a license lets you tell the drug dealers from the 'authentic medical staff' or a gynecologist from just some perv,,,,etc,,, |
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I'm both disgusted and devastated for their families. This is sickening. What the hell is wrong with people? Especially when someone starts shooting CHILDREN. The damn ordasity of some.
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My heart breaks for all those innocent children that lost their lives and their families.
Yet, I have to say this, guns do not just up and kill people all by themselves. Neither do knives or cars. People with drug addictions, alcoholism or mental illnesses use those weapons to kill other people. When are we, as a humanity, going to stop shunning away from people with mental and chemical illness? These folks need help. Now we have a generation of children that will grow up with these horrid memories that should never be a part of childhood. It is beyond sad. |
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Edited by
JustDukkyMkII
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Fri 12/14/12 04:45 PM
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A lot of nasty, psychopathic people stand to profit from the inevitable gun control debate that is already starting up (again) owing to this horrific massacre of innocents. As much as this is a time for grieving, it is also a time for vigilance. We have to ask ourselves if it was the the right to keep and bear arms that killed those kids, or the creation of legislated "gun free zones" that prevented decent law-abiding folk from STOPPING the slaughter in what might be called "fish-in-a-barrel zones" for armed killers. If the staff had been armed and trained in the use of firearms, I seriously doubt that the death toll would have been so high; in fact I doubt the shooting would have even occurred if it had not been legislated as a "gun free zone." For their ignorance and lack of foresight, I'm inclined to hold the legislators responsible. After all. the stats should speak for themselves. Many of the mass killings of the last 15 years took place in "gun-free zones."...IMO it is those zones that should be outlawed. The legislation should be repealed. http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=92657 As sad as the reality is, and it is heart breaking , I wouldn't put it passed an element of some left wing faction influence to help push gun control laws. Whole wars have been staged and fought thru "false flag" operations, and using children as the victims makes it a shoe-in for legislation..... just wait and see! as stewart mentioned on his show the other day, w ith 30 gunrelated deaths in america every day there really is never a 'good' time for the discussion on common sense gun laws,, and its one worthy of having even if not today,,, So do we outlaw cars and recreation too? There are more deaths than that every day from those. 1st, I wouldnt support 'outlawing' guns, I only support regulations just like we have (already) for cars 2nd, cars have a purpose that isnt death or harm, as does recreation guns are manufactured for the purpose of death or harm, and therefore call for serious consideration and regulation,, Guns are also manufactured for PROTECTION from death & harm. How many innocent lives could have been saved if say, the decent citizens & staff in charge of the school had been properly trained in the use of guns and had them on hand at the time of the incident?...many I'm sure, if not all of them. http://www.thelonestarwatchdog.com/2012/12/14/nullifying-gun-free-zones-is-the-solution-to-stop-mass-shootings-not-gun-control/ even in 'protecting' , with a gun, it means harming or killing there is no way around it thats a serious issue, no matter what pro or con label its given just like advocates swear that criminals will have guns even with laws (so whats the harm, I say) opponents can easily argue that even armed citizens can fail to protect quickly or accurately enough in such a short period of panic and chaos having a gun is no more/less a guarantee of stopping crimes than it is of stopping criminals but putting regulations on gun ownership makes it a bit easier to tell the criminals from the 'law abiding' citizens just like giving a doctor a license lets you tell the drug dealers from the 'authentic medical staff' or a gynecologist from just some perv,,,,etc,,, even in 'protecting' , with a gun, it means harming or killing there is no way around it Sure there is. In the many cases a warning shot, or even just pointing a gun has saved lives. Many times, just the threat of lethal force will be enough to stop a killer. advocates swear that criminals will have guns even with laws (so whats the harm, I say) The harm is what this story is all about; we can see the harm. The mass killing took place in a place made by law into a "gun free zone"…Too bad the killer didn't have more respect for the law. opponents can easily argue that even armed citizens can fail to protect quickly or accurately enough in such a short period of panic and chaos having a gun is no more/less a guarantee of stopping crimes than it is of stopping criminals True enough; there are no guarantees, but in such a situation, I think the protector stands a better chance armed with a gun than armed with only "good intentions." but putting regulations on gun ownership makes it a bit easier to tell the criminals from the 'law abiding' citizens Yes…and at the worst possible time too…He's armed and you aren't. just like giving a doctor a license lets you tell the drug dealers from the 'authentic medical staff' "Hidden carry" usually requires a licence or permit. I can't speak for anyone but me, but I'd feel much safer and more secure in an armed population than a disarmed one. |
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Edited by
JustDukkyMkII
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Fri 12/14/12 04:40 PM
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My heart breaks for all those innocent children that lost their lives and their families. Yet, I have to say this, guns do not just up and kill people all by themselves. Neither do knives or cars. People with drug addictions, alcoholism or mental illnesses use those weapons to kill other people. When are we, as a humanity, going to stop shunning away from people with mental and chemical illness? These folks need help. Now we have a generation of children that will grow up with these horrid memories that should never be a part of childhood. It is beyond sad. Even worse, "mental health professionals" are giving out tranquilizers (as though they were candy) that often cause suicidal/homicidal feelings, especially in young people. I have little doubt that this contributes to the problem. |
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The harm is what this story is all about; we can see the harm. The mass killing took place in a place made by law into a "gun free zone"…Too bad the killer didn't have more respect for the law.
missing the point how was that 'harmful' are non gun free zones any more immune? |
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FWIW, I erred in my first post on this thread. Based on an earlier news report that I read online, I said that the shooter had also killed his father. Well, that is not true.
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FWIW, I erred in my first post on this thread. Based on an earlier news report that I read online, I said that the shooter had also killed his father. Well, that is not true. who was the person found at his parents home? |
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I have sat here after watching the news for the last couple of hours about the shooting... It amazes me that most here have only argued on the gun control issues. But not once did anyone mention about the safety of our schools...
Sure we have had many shootings that pertained within our schools so why have we not looked at the issues of the easy access to our schools? Do you realize that anyone can walk right into our schools but yet the Day Cares are harder to get into? My grandson's Day Care when you walk in there is someone at the desk the doors to the right and left can not be opened unless they buzz you in. But yet the elementary and up schools you can walk right in. Sure there is a sign that tells you must go to the office to sign in. But even the school my granddaughter did go to the office was as soon as you walked in, one still could have walked right past the office down the hall to the rooms.... Matter of fact I did at one time.. So why is it our schools do not have the same safety measures??? Schools after a certain time should be on lock down. I mean your fire exits you can go out of those doors but you can not enter them. So why after all this time are the doors in the schools not done with this same safety feature? My heart aches for all those innocent children and the parents having to deal with this... The worst to me would be the death of a child.... With all that said sure gun control should be strict but as many has said guns do not kill people...people kill people and those that wish to will get a gun regardless of gun control will and can... |
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FWIW, I erred in my first post on this thread. Based on an earlier news report that I read online, I said that the shooter had also killed his father. Well, that is not true. who was the person found at his parents home? He killed his mother at the home in question... His parents was divorced and his mother was a teacher at the school he went to... |
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FWIW, I erred in my first post on this thread. Based on an earlier news report that I read online, I said that the shooter had also killed his father. Well, that is not true. who was the person found at his parents home? The report was simply false, as well as a report that a girlfriend of the shooter was missing. It looks to me that reporters were not willing to wait until law officials had completed their investigations before blabbing to the public about the incident. It is true that law officers went to the father's home, but it was not a crime scene, as was previously reported. The mother's house was the second crime scene. |
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The harm is what this story is all about; we can see the harm. The mass killing took place in a place made by law into a "gun free zone"…Too bad the killer didn't have more respect for the law. missing the point how was that 'harmful' are non gun free zones any more immune? I don't think it missed the point at all. The legislation was harmful in setting up the people within the gun free zone to be innocent victims of a homicidal maniac. IMO, I'd say doing away with gun free zones would do a lot to prevent these slaughters from happening again. I did a quick search and came up with these. http://freestudents.blogspot.ca/2007/04/dozens-massacred-in-gun-free-zone-again.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315563,00.html http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/150208_massacre.htm I haven't got the stats, but I'd almost be willing to bet that most if not all of the mass killings of the last 15 years were in gun free zones. If guns are dangerous, shooting ranges (obviously not gun free zones) should be rife with homicide. How many massacres have there been at shooting ranges? Can firearms really protect people? Why not ask the residents of Kennesaw Georgia? http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/ |
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The harm is what this story is all about; we can see the harm. The mass killing took place in a place made by law into a "gun free zone"…Too bad the killer didn't have more respect for the law. missing the point how was that 'harmful' are non gun free zones any more immune? I don't think it missed the point at all. The legislation was harmful in setting up the people within the gun free zone to be innocent victims of a homicidal maniac. IMO, I'd say doing away with gun free zones would do a lot to prevent these slaughters from happening again. I did a quick search and came up with these. http://freestudents.blogspot.ca/2007/04/dozens-massacred-in-gun-free-zone-again.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315563,00.html http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/150208_massacre.htm I haven't got the stats, but I'd almost be willing to bet that most if not all of the mass killings of the last 15 years were in gun free zones. If guns are dangerous, shooting ranges (obviously not gun free zones) should be rife with homicide. How many massacres have there been at shooting ranges? Can firearms really protect people? Why not ask the residents of Kennesaw Georgia? http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/ id bet u were wrong id bet the shooters target non gun free and gun free zones and that the number of accidental and bystander deaths surpasses those occassions when a hero saved the day with their weapon |
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The harm is what this story is all about; we can see the harm. The mass killing took place in a place made by law into a "gun free zone"…Too bad the killer didn't have more respect for the law. missing the point how was that 'harmful' are non gun free zones any more immune? I don't think it missed the point at all. The legislation was harmful in setting up the people within the gun free zone to be innocent victims of a homicidal maniac. IMO, I'd say doing away with gun free zones would do a lot to prevent these slaughters from happening again. I did a quick search and came up with these. http://freestudents.blogspot.ca/2007/04/dozens-massacred-in-gun-free-zone-again.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315563,00.html http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/150208_massacre.htm I haven't got the stats, but I'd almost be willing to bet that most if not all of the mass killings of the last 15 years were in gun free zones. If guns are dangerous, shooting ranges (obviously not gun free zones) should be rife with homicide. How many massacres have there been at shooting ranges? Can firearms really protect people? Why not ask the residents of Kennesaw Georgia? http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/ id bet u were wrong id bet the shooters target non gun free and gun free zones and that the number of accidental and bystander deaths surpasses those occassions when a hero saved the day with their weapon Did you even look at the last link I posted? You also have to take into account the DETERRENCE value of an armed populace. A lot of crime doesn't even take place because the criminal doesn't know what to expect from his intended victim. In a gun free zone, he know's what to expect...defenceless targets for his aggression. Still, you are welcome to cough up some stats to support your bet. I'm a stats freak and would like to see & critique them. |
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Folks, let's get something straight. No law is going to stop insane or evil people from committing horrid crimes.
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