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Topic: (((((Shooting at Connecticut elementary school)))))
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 12/14/12 12:58 PM Edited by msharmony on Fri 12/14/12 12:58 PM
Folks, now is a time for grieving. How about leaving any talk about gun laws for another day. thats always gonna be debatable, and though I choose not to be hung up on the politics someones children die EVERYDAY in america from gun related deaths, this just got more national attention there is always someone to grieve over with t his issue, but the discussion shouldnt be silenced because of the grief,,,except on the national level,,,families should be permitted to grieve before being bombarded,,,,

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 12/14/12 12:59 PM
As sad as the reality is, and it is heart breaking , I wouldn't put it passed an element of some left wing faction influence to help push gun control laws. Whole wars have been staged and fought thru "false flag" operations, and using children as the victims makes it a shoe-in for legislation..... just wait and see! as stewart mentioned on his show the other day, w ith 30 gunrelated deaths in america every day there really is never a 'good' time for the discussion on common sense gun laws,, and its one worthy of having even if not today,,, So do we outlaw cars and recreation too? There are more deaths than that every day from those.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 12/14/12 01:01 PM
As sad as the reality is, and it is heart breaking , I wouldn't put it passed an element of some left wing faction influence to help push gun control laws. Whole wars have been staged and fought thru "false flag" operations, and using children as the victims makes it a shoe-in for legislation..... just wait and see! as stewart mentioned on his show the other day, w ith 30 gunrelated deaths in america every day there really is never a 'good' time for the discussion on common sense gun laws,, and its one worthy of having even if not today,,, So do we outlaw cars and recreation too? There are more deaths than that every day from those. 1st, I wouldnt support 'outlawing' guns, I only support regulations just like we have (already) for cars 2nd, cars have a purpose that isnt death or harm, as does recreation guns are manufactured for the purpose of death or harm, and therefore call for serious consideration and regulation,,

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Fri 12/14/12 01:03 PM
As sad as the reality is, and it is heart breaking , I wouldn't put it passed an element of some left wing faction influence to help push gun control laws. Whole wars have been staged and fought thru "false flag" operations, and using children as the victims makes it a shoe-in for legislation..... just wait and see! as stewart mentioned on his show the other day, w ith 30 gunrelated deaths in america every day there really is never a 'good' time for the discussion on common sense gun laws,, and its one worthy of having even if not today,,, So do we outlaw cars and recreation too? There are more deaths than that every day from those. 1st, I wouldnt support 'outlawing' guns, I only support regulations just like we have (already) for cars 2nd, cars have a purpose that isnt death or harm, as does recreation guns are manufactured for the purpose of death or harm, and therefore call for serious consideration and regulation,, You make a good point; however, drugs equal death so let's outlaw drugs and see how that works first...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 12/14/12 01:04 PM
As sad as the reality is, and it is heart breaking , I wouldn't put it passed an element of some left wing faction influence to help push gun control laws. Whole wars have been staged and fought thru "false flag" operations, and using children as the victims makes it a shoe-in for legislation..... just wait and see! as stewart mentioned on his show the other day, w ith 30 gunrelated deaths in america every day there really is never a 'good' time for the discussion on common sense gun laws,, and its one worthy of having even if not today,,, So do we outlaw cars and recreation too? There are more deaths than that every day from those. 1st, I wouldnt support 'outlawing' guns, I only support regulations just like we have (already) for cars 2nd, cars have a purpose that isnt death or harm, as does recreation guns are manufactured for the purpose of death or harm, and therefore call for serious consideration and regulation,, You make a good point; however, drugs equal death so let's outlaw drugs and see how that works first... thats funny cause I took alleve earlier and Im still breathing ,,,lol again, not quite the same thing,,,

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Fri 12/14/12 01:08 PM
Yeah, but you got my point. The 2nd amendment needs constant support because people try to infringe upon it. Just like the equal rights amendment (forgot the number). We shouldn't infringe on any amendment, but it is supposed to be against the law to have a gun if you are mentally unstable. Let's get psych evaluations with a polygraph on anyone wanting a weapon...do you think that will work?

kooky28 Joined Sat 12/08/12 Posts: 56	Fri 12/14/12 01:09 PM
I am not assuming that the guns were bought legally or even registered. They may not have been. I am saying that to make it harder for people buying guns legally or illegally would make a huge difference!... For the better. In england yes we have shootings and they are tragic wherever or however they occur but due to the laws in this land thankfully we do not have nearly so many senseless deaths from shootings

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 12/14/12 01:12 PM
Yeah, but you got my point. The 2nd amendment needs constant support because people try to infringe upon it. Just like the equal rights amendment (forgot the number). We shouldn't infringe on any amendment, but it is supposed to be against the law to have a gun if you are mentally unstable. Let's get psych evaluations with a polygraph on anyone wanting a weapon...do you think that will work? that would be a 'common sense' measure that I would support I think ownership should also be more like cars guns should have a registration expiration, before which time they should be renewed along with pertinent owner information anyone owning an unregistered gun, should have the same consequence of an unregistered car anyone operating a gun without a license, same consequence as operating a vehicle without one,,, they should also have a clear id number (like a cars plates) engraved in plain site,,,,

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Fri 12/14/12 01:14 PM
Yeah, but you got my point. The 2nd amendment needs constant support because people try to infringe upon it. Just like the equal rights amendment (forgot the number). We shouldn't infringe on any amendment, but it is supposed to be against the law to have a gun if you are mentally unstable. Let's get psych evaluations with a polygraph on anyone wanting a weapon...do you think that will work? that would be a 'common sense' measure that I would support I think ownership should also be more like cars guns should have a registration expiration, before which time they should be renewed along with pertinent owner information anyone owning an unregistered gun, should have the same consequence of an unregistered car anyone operating a gun without a license, same consequence as operating a vehicle without one,,, they should also have a clear id number (like a cars plates) engraved in plain site,,,, I think it should be a felony to have an illegal weapon, put some bite into it.

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 12/14/12 01:15 PM
Guns may be used for death and killing, believe me when I say our leaders can attest to that definition, however, most are used for food, sport, recreation and in some cases defense. The death and killing is a byline, a deterent, not the reason for owning them. Regulation or prohibition only makes the criminal element better funded and armed than the average civilian they prey upon!

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 12/14/12 01:16 PM Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 12/14/12 01:18 PM
Yeah, but you got my point. The 2nd amendment needs constant support because people try to infringe upon it. Just like the equal rights amendment (forgot the number). We shouldn't infringe on any amendment, but it is supposed to be against the law to have a gun if you are mentally unstable. Let's get psych evaluations with a polygraph on anyone wanting a weapon...do you think that will work? that would be a 'common sense' measure that I would support I think ownership should also be more like cars guns should have a registration expiration, before which time they should be renewed along with pertinent owner information anyone owning an unregistered gun, should have the same consequence of an unregistered car anyone operating a gun without a license, same consequence as operating a vehicle without one,,, they should also have a clear id number (like a cars plates) engraved in plain site,,,, I think it should be a felony to have an illegal weapon, put some bite into it. In many cases it is a felony to own an unregistered gun.... it's unconstitutional and wrong, but when has that ever stopped gov't regulators?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 12/14/12 01:20 PM
Guns may be used for death and killing, believe me when I say our leaders can attest to that definition, however, most are used for food, sport, recreation and in some cases defense. The death and killing is a byline, a deterent, not the reason for owning them. Regulation or prohibition only makes the criminal element better funded and armed than the average civilian they prey upon! food,, involves killing sport, involves killing recreation, in volves killing whatever name is given to it,, the introduction and purpose of the gun is to kill or harm,,,

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 12/14/12 01:20 PM
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, NOT GUNS!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 12/14/12 01:21 PM
Yeah, but you got my point. The 2nd amendment needs constant support because people try to infringe upon it. Just like the equal rights amendment (forgot the number). We shouldn't infringe on any amendment, but it is supposed to be against the law to have a gun if you are mentally unstable. Let's get psych evaluations with a polygraph on anyone wanting a weapon...do you think that will work? that would be a 'common sense' measure that I would support I think ownership should also be more like cars guns should have a registration expiration, before which time they should be renewed along with pertinent owner information anyone owning an unregistered gun, should have the same consequence of an unregistered car anyone operating a gun without a license, same consequence as operating a vehicle without one,,, they should also have a clear id number (like a cars plates) engraved in plain site,,,, I think it should be a felony to have an illegal weapon, put some bite into it. In many cases it is a felony to own an unregistered gun.... it's unconstitutional and wrong, but when has that ever stopped gov't regulators? the constitution mentions nothing about age either, so does that make laws requiring age limits also constitutionsl? the constitution was not etched in stone, for a reason, it is written to grow and be applied to the times at hand,,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 12/14/12 01:23 PM Edited by msharmony on Fri 12/14/12 01:24 PM
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, NOT GUNS! and drivers kill people, not their car the car is just the potentially dangerous TOOL that is used in those killings and so we ensure that people know how to SAFELY drive a car before issuing them a license even though that car cant kill anyone, .......just the person driving it likewise, guns are a dangerous 'tool', and users should be able to 'safely' and sanely use them if they have them,,,,

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 12/14/12 01:32 PM
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, NOT GUNS! and drivers kill people, not their car the car is just the potentially dangerous TOOL that is used in those killings and so we ensure that people know how to SAFELY drive a car before issuing them a license even though that car cant kill anyone, .......just the person driving it likewise, guns are a dangerous 'tool', and users should be able to 'safely' and sanely use them if they have them,,,, That is my point, but how do you regulate the people without infringing on their rights? The states have powers to enact and enforce laws, as does the gov't, but the 2nd amendment supercedes both.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48926	Fri 12/14/12 01:38 PM
the constitution was not etched in stone, for a reason, it is written to grow and be applied to the times at hand,,,, The U.S. Constitution can be amended if enough people want it to be amended.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 12/14/12 01:40 PM
the constitution was not etched in stone, for a reason, it is written to grow and be applied to the times at hand,,,, The U.S. Constitution can be amended if enough people want it to be amended. absolutely perhaps one day it will be amended to reflect more of its english counterpart (Without the religious reference) That the Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law.[13 'suitable to their conditions and allowed by Law'

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48926	Fri 12/14/12 01:45 PM
No matter what you might do to regulate hand guns, criminals will find a way to get them.

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Fri 12/14/12 01:53 PM
a teacher took first-graders into the restroom after bullets came through the window. and she's over paid? bless her she deserves a medal of honor. When we get to the point where teachers need evasive tactics it's time for home schooling...