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A thread in the "Chit Chat" forum is titled "To the real women out there". The expression "real women" pertains to something that Suzanne Venker talks about. As the author of three books on the American family and its intersection with pop culture, I’ve spent thirteen years examining social agendas as they pertain to sex, parenting, and gender roles. During this time, I’ve spoken with hundreds, if not thousands, of men and women. And in doing so, I’ve accidentally stumbled upon a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same.
Women aren’t women anymore. I can understand this comment regarding women are not women anymore. Women want equality in a relationship so much so, employment becomes essential to them.When married they want to work, this may be necessary in the early years but not so as you become more established, even after kids have arrived.Yet women still want to work, even when a man would prefer they stopped work and concentrated on home and family, a job in itself in my opinion. Women want to work to maintain what they perceive as equal status, as contributors to the family income, when looking after family should be their focus of attention. Therefore, it is no surprise to me, that if for this reason alone men make the comment "women are not women anymore". However, I am not put off marriage, I just need to find someone who is as old fashioned as myself. |
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A thread in the "Chit Chat" forum is titled "To the real women out there". The expression "real women" pertains to something that Suzanne Venker talks about. As the author of three books on the American family and its intersection with pop culture, I’ve spent thirteen years examining social agendas as they pertain to sex, parenting, and gender roles. During this time, I’ve spoken with hundreds, if not thousands, of men and women. And in doing so, I’ve accidentally stumbled upon a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same.
Women aren’t women anymore. I can understand this comment regarding women are not women anymore. Women want equality in a relationship so much so, employment becomes essential to them.When married they want to work, this may be necessary in the early years but not so as you become more established, even after kids have arrived.Yet women still want to work, even when a man would prefer they stopped work and concentrated on home and family, a job in itself in my opinion. Women want to work to maintain what they perceive as equal status, as contributors to the family income, when looking after family should be their focus of attention. Therefore, it is no surprise to me, that if for this reason alone men make the comment "women are not women anymore". However, I am not put off marriage, I just need to find someone who is as old fashioned as myself. Both of these posts epitomize the root cause of the feminist movement...Feminism...165 years in finds men still defining women according to what works best for them....Women do not go to work as a way to ensure equality with men...There are many reasons women choose careers over homemaking and none of them have anything to do with maintaining an equal standing with men....Women work to support their families when their husbands can't or won't, they work for mental stimulation, social interaction with other adults, the desire for a better lifestyle.. They work for public recognition, self esteem, and self fulfillment...In other words gentlemen, women work for the same reasons you do... "The Stepford Wives" is a science fiction film, it's not real.... 
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A thread in the "Chit Chat" forum is titled "To the real women out there". The expression "real women" pertains to something that Suzanne Venker talks about. As the author of three books on the American family and its intersection with pop culture, I’ve spent thirteen years examining social agendas as they pertain to sex, parenting, and gender roles. During this time, I’ve spoken with hundreds, if not thousands, of men and women. And in doing so, I’ve accidentally stumbled upon a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same.
Women aren’t women anymore. I can understand this comment regarding women are not women anymore. Women want equality in a relationship so much so, employment becomes essential to them.When married they want to work, this may be necessary in the early years but not so as you become more established, even after kids have arrived.Yet women still want to work, even when a man would prefer they stopped work and concentrated on home and family, a job in itself in my opinion. Women want to work to maintain what they perceive as equal status, as contributors to the family income, when looking after family should be their focus of attention. Therefore, it is no surprise to me, that if for this reason alone men make the comment "women are not women anymore". However, I am not put off marriage, I just need to find someone who is as old fashioned as myself. Women aren't women anymore because they are choosing to work, rather than be a stay at home mother and wife? How does that make them not women anymore? That makes no sense. |
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Women want equality in a relationship so much so, employment becomes essential to them. I think you have this backward. Employment is essential to most women, so equality becomes essential. When married they want to work, this may be necessary in the early years but not so as you become more established,
Not in my world. Women want to work to maintain what they perceive as equal status, as contributors to the family income, when looking after family should be their focus of attention. Contributing to the family income is not looking after the family? I just need to find someone who is as old fashioned as myself.
Good luck with that. Look, aside from the patronizing and discrimination of this attitude toward women, it isn't doing men or children any favors either. Haven't you heard of the people who are now adults who complain that they never felt close to their fathers because they were always working to support the family, and exhausted when they did come home? Sharing the financial burden means that the father has more time to devote to building real relationships with his children. It gives them a better father and gives him a more rounded life. |
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Both of these posts epitomize the root cause of the feminist movement...Feminism...165 years in finds men still defining women according to what works best for them....Women do not go to work as a way to ensure equality with men...There are many reasons women choose careers over homemaking and none of them have anything to do with maintaining an equal standing with men....Women work to support their families when their husbands can't or won't, they work for mental stimulation, social interaction with other adults, the desire for a better lifestyle.. They work for public recognition, self esteem, and self fulfillment...In other words gentlemen, women work for the same reasons you do... "The Stepford Wives" is a science fiction film, it's not real....
Exactly right, women work for the same reasons men do. If women choose career over marriage and family they have that choice, their decision, but if they choose marriage they should accept the role of wife and future mother, and put that foremost, it is women who bear the children and should provide the nurture. There are times when a woman must work out of necessity, not choice, for reasons you have given, but this should not be something she chooses to do above looking after the family. I in no way infer that a woman's role is less important than that of a man's in marriage, in any team we all have different parts to play, this is what makes up family life. Your comment regarding what men want is what works best for them is nonsense, women bear children and must nurture them that is natures role not a man's decision. I am sorry if I do not agree with those who choose marriage and their own careers, because the task and pride of bringing up a family isn't enough for them, but as I said I am old fashioned. |
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Women aren't women anymore because they are choosing to work, rather than be a stay at home mother and wife? How does that make them not women anymore? That makes no sense. They want marriage, but don't want the woman's role in a marriage they want both roles man and woman, and that does not work for everyone. |
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Leigh2154
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Mon 11/26/12 11:06 AM
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Both of these posts epitomize the root cause of the feminist movement...Feminism...165 years in finds men still defining women according to what works best for them....Women do not go to work as a way to ensure equality with men...There are many reasons women choose careers over homemaking and none of them have anything to do with maintaining an equal standing with men....Women work to support their families when their husbands can't or won't, they work for mental stimulation, social interaction with other adults, the desire for a better lifestyle.. They work for public recognition, self esteem, and self fulfillment...In other words gentlemen, women work for the same reasons you do... "The Stepford Wives" is a science fiction film, it's not real....
Exactly right, women work for the same reasons men do. If women choose career over marriage and family they have that choice, their decision, but if they choose marriage they should accept the role of wife and future mother, and put that foremost, it is women who bear the children and should provide the nurture. There are times when a woman must work out of necessity, not choice, for reasons you have given, but this should not be something she chooses to do above looking after the family. I in no way infer that a woman's role is less important than that of a man's in marriage, in any team we all have different parts to play, this is what makes up family life. Your comment regarding what men want is what works best for them is nonsense, women bear children and must nurture them that is natures role not a man's decision. I am sorry if I do not agree with those who choose marriage and their own careers, because the task and pride of bringing up a family isn't enough for them, but as I said I am old fashioned. Marriage is not "role" playing, marriage is reality...Jump in, the water is fine...You keep saying you are old fashioned, maybe it's time to update your software.... |
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Look, aside from the patronizing and discrimination of this attitude toward women, it isn't doing men or children any favors either. Haven't you heard of the people who are now adults who complain that they never felt close to their fathers because they were always working to support the family, and exhausted when they did come home? Sharing the financial burden means that the father has more time to devote to building real relationships with his children. It gives them a better father and gives him a more rounded life. I am sorry but I fail to understand how I have patronised and discriminated against women, this was certainly not my intention. |
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It appears to me that this thread is nothing more than an excuse to bad-mouth male-female relationships.
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It appears to me that this thread is nothing more than an excuse to bad-mouth male-female relationships. 
I couldn't agree more. 
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Suzanne Venker writes,
But after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them.
Female Mingle2 member writes, More like a war on behavior.
It appears to me that the latter quote confirms the former quote. 
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It appears to me that this thread is nothing more than an excuse to bad-mouth male-female relationships.
I couldn't agree more.
He is merely trying to get back at me for something I said on another thread. |
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Women angry and defensive? You bet you're sweet pa-tootie they are. I can't count the number of times a woman has gotten defensive because I used the word "girls" or "chicks" instead of "women." But, they don't start out that way. Young women are a lot more light hearted. IMHO many women reach a point around their late 30s when they realize the men are being paid a higher wage for doing the "same job" they are. However, according to the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics, women simply don't work as hard as men do at their jobs. Women take off from work more often and work fewer hours of overtime. This is largely due to dealing with their children. They go on to say that women that remain childless actually have higher incomes than their male counterparts in many industries. Or they simply choose power paying jobs than men. But, women would rather blame men than themselves or their own children for holding them down. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/business/economy/motherhood-still-a-cause-of-pay-inequality.html?_r=0 It's this bitterness that stops me from trying to date women in my age group. You can say this but my opinion/guess is you can't get a woman your age to buy your theroys or behavior. You can get a younger woman with Daddy issues or desire to experiment to bed you short term as a novelty to probably piss some one else off or a party for the night but soon about all that you have to look forward too are the pro's. If you aren't there already. Protest if you like but most are laughing at you. |
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If both mom and dad remain busy at work, who is gonna accompany the kid? Or are you guys trying to outsource that too?
At least one of the parents must slowdown for sometime! (i hear, "have you seen single mums raise their kids?" well, i didn't say impossible! Just not fair to the kids ) |
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It appears to me that this thread is nothing more than an excuse to bad-mouth male-female relationships.
I couldn't agree more.
He is merely trying to get back at me for something I said on another thread. I know. That's why it's funny. And, it's true. |
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If both mom and dad remain busy at work, who is gonna accompany the kid? Or are you guys trying to outsource that too?
Deep!!! This reminds me Tell Vijay to credit my cell phone account will ya? He promised! 
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If both mom and dad remain busy at work, who is gonna accompany the kid? Or are you guys trying to outsource that too?
Deep!!! This reminds me Tell Vijay to credit my cell phone account will ya? He promised!
went right over my head! Who is this Vijay and what did I miss? |
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Outsourced call centers... Sorry I thought you knew him
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If both mom and dad remain busy at work, who is gonna accompany the kid? Or are you guys trying to outsource that too?
Deep!!! This reminds me Tell Vijay to credit my cell phone account will ya? He promised!
went right over my head! Who is this Vijay and what did I miss? He is referring to jobs being outsourced to India. |
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Exactly right, women work for the same reasons men do. If women choose career over marriage and family they have that choice, their decision, but if they choose marriage they should accept the role of wife and future mother, and put that foremost, it is women who bear the children and should provide the nurture. There are times when a woman must work out of necessity, not choice, for reasons you have given, but this should not be something she chooses to do above looking after the family. I in no way infer that a woman's role is less important than that of a man's in marriage, in any team we all have different parts to play, this is what makes up family life. Your comment regarding what men want is what works best for them is nonsense, women bear children and must nurture them that is natures role not a man's decision. I am sorry if I do not agree with those who choose marriage and their own careers, because the task and pride of bringing up a family isn't enough for them, but as I said I am old fashioned. This is a very old fashioned way of life. It is no longer only the husband's job to go to work and the woman's job to stay home. In many families, both parents work and both parents take care of the house and children. That's how I grew up as did many of my friends. I would never marry a man who didn't want to have anything to do with raising children if we were to have them. Nor would I marry someone who expected me to give up my job once we got married. We are not in the 50s anymore. |
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