Uh huh

I think at this point in my life, I approach relationships and dating as a learning experience. Its about the enjoyment of getting to know the woman, and just let her be her damn self, whatever that may be, I expect the same. If we naturally fit together somehow with our personality differences and outlook on life, It can all be good. Who wants to fit in this Box. I don't. I think we are capable of different situations for different partners, or maybe Im just adaptable and like change somewhat. I can have ideals, but they are flexible. I wouldn't be afraid to marry, the conditions would be much different then when I was say 20.
I think this comment by the OP was written and targeted for a purpose. Its just one opinion, from a particular point of view.

A voice of reason among the chaos...i think you're right :-)

Yum,yum, yum.....

Wow, So this is what it feels like to be right...ha.

OK, I have been through my share of crap romance wise.

I do agree that there has been a hoard of Male-bashing and hetero-bashing going on over the last 30 years enough so I don't like watching TV any more.

Sex in the City is one of the most horrid pieces of crap I have ever seen. I actually watched about a season and a half at the insistence of a female friend of mine. Once I seen enough to get into the head of the writers I came to a realization that the show was one long empowerment session putting the shoes of promiscuity on the other foot and doing so without any grace. In fact there was a number of strong hard jabs at men throughout the show.

I would NEVER EVER date a woman stereotype from that show at all! Come to think of it I am scared of dating women into that show because I am afraid of having my heart torn our and slammed on the ground AGAIN by some vindictive "empowered" female who is just going to tell me to fucq off and screw one of my friends just to spite me all over some meaningless and stupid reason.

You see the fact is in all relationships there is a lot of self interest involved. This numerical evaluation is an opinion mostly but 8/10 women involved in a relationship with a man chose one they can control. PERIOD! Even in a "pimp daddy" setting where she may appear to have no control at all she will pretend she has control. And in her own way a woman in a position like that usually has ways of manipulating the man she is with knowing full well she risks a beating if caught. Some relationships are based on some screwed up dynamics. A lot of women who own horses feel they are in control of the animal while real HORSEWOMEN know they must work with their horse. A horse is much larger than a human and can harm a human if not in some cases kill a human. You do not control something larger than you that thinks for itself. A mare in heat becomes intractable especially around Stallions but a well trained horse in proper hands will deal with its hormonal needs so the animal can be handled. A properly trained Stallion can likewise exhibit control over himself smelling a filly in heat. But for some casual horse rider to assume they can over ride mother nature just because they bought the horse are sadly kidding themselves. I know far too many BAD horse owners who got kicked and bitten. I know people like myself who never ever have been bitten by or kicked by a horse.

Now how does the difference between Horse ownership and horsemanship come in to play?

People again go back to the control issue and a lot of relationships degenerate to an agreement on a piece of paper. The emotion dies. But the control issues never do. Marriages degenerate into a struggle for marital assets and personal finances. Kids if present are caught in the middle and used as leverage against one parent or the other.

Its like I have said before, my lack of a girlfriend is not me or for a lack of trying. I just am not controllable or manipulated easily. I am not about to open my wallet and pour money on anyone. The fat ugly ones are just as manipulative as any skinny pretty woman. That is part of the reason I have never been married. I know what it takes to make a marriage last. If I don't see that in a woman I cannot nor will not allow myself to just jump out of desperation.

In a personal observation dating here in Los Angeles SUCKS! I am not pretty or rich enough. I got a lot to bring to the table but so far all my loyalty has been rewarded poorly a lot over the years. But the guys getting all the pu$$y are the ones lying to you women because they figured out that you just want to see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe and when a woman says, "Hey, we are screwing things up now," and suddenly the Bra Burning Brigade is all up in arms and pissing on their own over an idiom and a option that may be factual!

Frankly shows like Sex in the City and Two and a Half Men are destroying the family dynamic and rendering humanity into one huge screwed up mess with no moral template. We will be degenerating into Sodom and Gomorrah without some moral template to go by. People need examples and here we have TV becoming one tool of the sick and twisted to pervert our minds.

I am for equality for Homosexual and Heterosexual. Gay marriage? Reaching for the golden ring too soon my friends! I am always for equality between men and women! ALWAYS!!! Man is not created Equal. Equality is held in spirit! But damn if equal say is not enough!

But where the family dynamic is concerned, even I feel my morality challenged more and more each day. Everything I have been taught is a lie. Women are lying to us men all the time. Worst is they lie to themselves. Some women want freedom but have no clue what to do with it so they go all out and wear themselves out before they are 30.

Its all about some stupid control game and I am sick of living a lie and living alone. If I get rich and suddenly I got women interested in me what the hell should I do? Risk heartbreak and a lot of lost money to monogamy?

This is as straight as I have ever been in my life and as concise as I can put it...

At this point the only woman I will marry is the one who knew me when I had nothing. In reality I have a modest life which is my own. I freely admit I am no financial firepower but I am putting everything I have into my new business. If I become successful I am supposed to believe I am loved for WHO I am and not THE FINANCIAL SECURITY I OFFER?

I am trapped between women's innate need for Control and Money! Funny how honesty is taken for weakness in our society!


This goes for both sides, MEN AND WOMEN:

IF YOU GIVE A MOUSE A COOKIE IT WILL WANT A GLASS OF MILK. IF YOU GIVE IT A GLASS OF MILK IT WILL WANT ANOTHER COOKIE!



Yeah, call me names now!

Purrrrhaps :-)

Oooh aahhh...giddy-up!!

All that you wrote wasn't lost on me btw, and i suspect a few other ladies as well. I have no response to that except to say i'm sorry for the way women have made you feel. I hope it gets better for you

Venker writes, "But after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s men’s fault."

For the sake of argument, what if some American women have been browbeating the American male?

As I pointed out earlier, in another thread, a woman said that a smart man is an oxymoron. If a man were to say that a smart woman is an oxymoron, then the man would be criticized for having a negative attitude toward women. So, why should a woman be given a pass for saying that a smart man is an oxymoron?

On this site, new male members keep starting threads in which the OPs are complaints about nice guys being rejected by women. Now, what would make those men think that women were rejecting nice guys? Could it be that the men have encountered negative attitudes on the part of women?

Although I started this thread primarily for the purpose of entertainment, I also started this thread in response to the anti-male sexual prejudice that I saw displayed in a thread titled "Defending" ( http://mingle2.com/topic/show/340092 ). As I saw it, that sexual prejudice was being given a pass.

Do I agree with everything that Suzanne Venker says in her commentary? No, of course not. In my opinion, plenty of what she says is rubbish.

However, I have reason to believe what she says about men feeling browbeaten by women, because there are men in America who feel browbeaten by women.

In that thread titled "Defending", a woman wrote, "How someone feels is definitely a fact to them." Either that claim applies to everybody or it applies to nobody.

I agree in fact this is so upsetting to me that I feel the need to call in absent to work and seek shoe therapy (shoe shopping) tata..........

Funny thing to me is that a woman saying this to me is just a Fu**ing Bytch to me! And I would say that to her elitist face. These are the same women who jump out of their skin at the sight of a mouse.

I am a man here who does agree I am done with being brow beaten to death by the available women. if she wants the fast car and the fast lifestyle pay for it herself like REAL women do!


I gotta say this too...

Fake ******* are the WORST!!! I could care less if they appear small. That don't make a woman. And besides what goes through the top side is part of the equation I am a leg and tail man myself. If you got a backside that is all that, well...

This male pig likes!

And it is hard to fake a real nice butt!



I know...






Sorry!




Now back on topic. I am sure in other states I am a real catch but this is my home for as messed up as it is. I gotta have a beach to be happy!

This world is too rife with prejudice and it shows in a lot of ways. And men have been getting treated badly lately more so than ever. It is a cyclic oppressed becoming oppressor.

What I would give for a relationship where the woman compliments me (not in the sense of verbally but in the sense of compatibility) in a way that I understand and likewise I compliment her life as well. Negativity sucks and I am surrounded by so much of it I react to it negatively! But that is just me.

It sucks knowing others say I am a catch and yet here I am dateless in a way I cannot describe. What the hell happened? Did someone flip a switch that lit up a sign somewhere saying "HATE ME" over my head?

I know I am not supposed to complain but so far all I get hit up by is scammers. I have made some friends here. But locally...

SUCKFEST!


















But do I feel sorry for myself?

Naw!

Sympathy is for wimps!!!!

I guess there's no point in asking the OP direct questions in this thread, as he keeps skipping them.

And now for a Frank Zappa song to Cheer me up! Hopefully it cheers you up too!

http://youtu.be/SAZ1BSmAubU

Hey, you know what you are???

Wait a minute. I thought that I had answered your questions.

In my last post, I clarified what I meant in my first post.

By the way, I do know a woman who used to teach her daughters that all men are jerks. I heard it with my own Melmacian ears.

Nah, you didn't answer them all. But, thanks for finally clarifying and answering something.

One woman teaching her children that men are jerks does not mean all women feel the same. Why generalize about all women?

Thank you, Leigh...

I goofed when writing my OP. That is why I clarified. Sorry.

And yet, you're still not answering questions. You seem to generalize about all women, hence this thread. Why?

What are you talking about?

A short time ago, I said the following:



Me generalize about all women? Of course not. In my opinion, some women are so fruit loop that Toucan Sam nests in their hair. However, I don't think that of all women. To me, some women are grrreat!

I totally agree with this. Back a few years ago, maybe quite a few years ago now, I began to notice how often I could hear or see this kind of thing from women. It was exactly the kind of generalization that women were complaining about from men. I seldom see it addressed.

Let's face it, a lot of people of both sexes take the easy way out and just run their mouths. I'm convinced that the majority of these people have pretty good relationships with the opposite sex in their own lives. But casting things in black and white is easy and attention-getting and can make you feel good for a moment. It makes you a hypocrite one way or another, but maintaining integrity all the time is hard.

A lot of time I think this is done with the idea, "Just between you and me, don't you agree that men are XXXX? (Of course we don't REALLY mean it, but it's been a bad day." You know, just ordinary complaining/venting. I'm not sure there's so much harm in that. The harm comes when everyone starts trumpeting it, writing books about it, having season after season of it on TV, as if it were actually true.

Am I rambling?