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It was not my intention to offened any woman/women in this forum/thread. Only to present the fact/case that men's feelings are being ignored, when it is apparent that men are to suppress them when offened by women base upon the differences' of childhood learning/education. Men that express their feeling openly are generally critizied by both genders, this I don't think can be denied (GENERALLY SPEAKING). As for age differences, if I am correct women prefer older men because of maturity/life experiences. Women want a man who they understand to some degree, and are not going to demonstrate immature behaviour as frequent as younger men. This hasn't changed the divorce rate in present day society. Maybe to have a lower divorce rate a greater age difference is successful. This is not about sexuality this is about relationships and what works. Sexual harassment is only one issue, which is highly publized to develope awareness. The percentage numbers are based on how many people complain not how many people are harassed. Sexual harassment is more than (SEXUAL CONTENT)it also includes OSTRACIZISM in society where people know nothing about an individual they are ostracizing, but follow bad leadership (People complain about bad leadership in many parts of society, but don't provide critical thinking in this area). I could "BUT WILL NOT" tell you some amazing stories where women are part of sexual misbehaviour towards men. Society is to learn from these mistakes and learn how to prevent this issue and it include's relationships of age differences. Men fail to report these issue generally, because how society will respond to them. This is learned behaviour by both genders. I don't think anyone is trying to be a hypocrite, just trying to express their life experiences to others for a open discussion on how to improve our lives and create a successful society. And life experience does not have to be considered as one's immediate life, but also include's what they've learned in the community around them that they know as fact, "NOT ASSUMPTION". What feelings do you believe that men have that are being ignored? And why are you assuming that women go for older men? Older men can absolutely be immature, just as younger men can be mature. I don't prefer older men. I actually prefer men my age or a bit younger. First you need to understand men outside the circle you care for. As for feeling's it's what we as men agree with women about, but when a male objects to a woman/women opinion on a topic men feel their being attached for there opinion on how they see the facts of the issue. When I was younger I had relationships with older women, but no one insulted them for their interest in a man almost half their age. Yes older men can be immature also, that maybe the life style one choses to live. You chosing men younger than you may be caused by your sexual drive if your in your thirties. This also depends if your in a relationship and if you've lost interest in your partner. Both genders behave similar in many way's, but usually one gender is critizied more than the other; depending on the abundences' of relationships/networking one has. Personally I feel one should have respect for their partner and leave before starting another relationship. How do you feel I am not understanding men outside the circle of people I care for? Can you provide examples of these feelings you're talking about that you believe men are being attacked for? Women are put down all the time for having interest in much younger men and called things like cougars. Why do you think you understand why I choose men that I am interested in? Have I mentioned sexual drive or not having interest in a partner? You seem to make a lot of assumptions. You did in a recent posting yesterday STATE "...that you do not care to understand men that you do not care for...". That society is to blame for you not wanting to understand these other men. If you read the postings in this discussion and postings in other discussions we've had over the last two day's you would understand the issues men feel they are being attached for, because they do not neccessarily agree with what a woman has stated as being fact. I personally don't mind if a woman date's a younger man that is her decision, such as it is a man's decission to date a younger woman. Or one gender prefers to date's the other gender that is older. I wasn't ASSUMING you dated for sexual issues I stated that it maybe part of a persons physiology, only I did not use the PHYSIOLOGY. Ah. You are confusing me with a completely different person. I never said that. You did make assumptions as I pointed out. I am asking you why, as we're complete strangers and there's no way you'd know why I would chose to date someone. You seemed to be talking to me, not speaking generally about everyone. That's why I asked. You keep going on about feelings men are having that are being ignored, so I was giving you the chance to give examples of these feelings. If you choose not to, fine. Just trying to understand where you're coming from. |
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It was not my intention to offened any woman/women in this forum/thread. Only to present the fact/case that men's feelings are being ignored, when it is apparent that men are to suppress them when offened by women base upon the differences' of childhood learning/education. Men that express their feeling openly are generally critizied by both genders, this I don't think can be denied (GENERALLY SPEAKING). As for age differences, if I am correct women prefer older men because of maturity/life experiences. Women want a man who they understand to some degree, and are not going to demonstrate immature behaviour as frequent as younger men. This hasn't changed the divorce rate in present day society. Maybe to have a lower divorce rate a greater age difference is successful. This is not about sexuality this is about relationships and what works. Sexual harassment is only one issue, which is highly publized to develope awareness. The percentage numbers are based on how many people complain not how many people are harassed. Sexual harassment is more than (SEXUAL CONTENT)it also includes OSTRACIZISM in society where people know nothing about an individual they are ostracizing, but follow bad leadership (People complain about bad leadership in many parts of society, but don't provide critical thinking in this area). I could "BUT WILL NOT" tell you some amazing stories where women are part of sexual misbehaviour towards men. Society is to learn from these mistakes and learn how to prevent this issue and it include's relationships of age differences. Men fail to report these issue generally, because how society will respond to them. This is learned behaviour by both genders. I don't think anyone is trying to be a hypocrite, just trying to express their life experiences to others for a open discussion on how to improve our lives and create a successful society. And life experience does not have to be considered as one's immediate life, but also include's what they've learned in the community around them that they know as fact, "NOT ASSUMPTION". What feelings do you believe that men have that are being ignored? And why are you assuming that women go for older men? Older men can absolutely be immature, just as younger men can be mature. I don't prefer older men. I actually prefer men my age or a bit younger. First you need to understand men outside the circle you care for. As for feeling's it's what we as men agree with women about, but when a male objects to a woman/women opinion on a topic men feel their being attached for there opinion on how they see the facts of the issue. When I was younger I had relationships with older women, but no one insulted them for their interest in a man almost half their age. Yes older men can be immature also, that maybe the life style one choses to live. You chosing men younger than you may be caused by your sexual drive if your in your thirties. This also depends if your in a relationship and if you've lost interest in your partner. Both genders behave similar in many way's, but usually one gender is critizied more than the other; depending on the abundences' of relationships/networking one has. Personally I feel one should have respect for their partner and leave before starting another relationship. How do you feel I am not understanding men outside the circle of people I care for? Can you provide examples of these feelings you're talking about that you believe men are being attacked for? Women are put down all the time for having interest in much younger men and called things like cougars. Why do you think you understand why I choose men that I am interested in? Have I mentioned sexual drive or not having interest in a partner? You seem to make a lot of assumptions. You did in a recent posting yesterday STATE "...that you do not care to understand men that you do not care for...". That society is to blame for you not wanting to understand these other men. If you read the postings in this discussion and postings in other discussions we've had over the last two day's you would understand the issues men feel they are being attached for, because they do not neccessarily agree with what a woman has stated as being fact. I personally don't mind if a woman date's a younger man that is her decision, such as it is a man's decission to date a younger woman. Or one gender prefers to date's the other gender that is older. I wasn't ASSUMING you dated for sexual issues I stated that it maybe part of a persons physiology, only I did not use the PHYSIOLOGY. Ah. You are confusing me with a completely different person. I never said that. You did make assumptions as I pointed out. I am asking you why, as we're complete strangers and there's no way you'd know why I would chose to date someone. You seemed to be talking to me, not speaking generally about everyone. That's why I asked. You keep going on about feelings men are having that are being ignored, so I was giving you the chance to give examples of these feelings. If you choose not to, fine. Just trying to understand where you're coming from. You did make that statement on page 11 of this thread. I was in the middle of replying to you; my last posting and unable to search for it at that time. I am replying to your statements, such as you've been replying to mine or others'. I failed to use the word "PHYSIOLOGY" in my second last posting instead I used the sexuality for simpler comprehension. I also stated in my last posting that women dating younger men was not an issue for me only interested in why you prefer younger men. As for feelings read some of the posting's not just in this thread but also other threads. I know we all like to reply to what we read just prior to our post. Therefor; you may have missed some of the postings and you may not have been involved in some of the other thread discussion. |
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By the way, this thread is in part a response to this other thread: http://mingle2.com/topic/show/340800 Way to go Dodo_David you create a serious discussion and then run for the animal shelter to feed on cats'. |
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It was not my intention to offened any woman/women in this forum/thread. Only to present the fact/case that men's feelings are being ignored, when it is apparent that men are to suppress them when offened by women base upon the differences' of childhood learning/education. Men that express their feeling openly are generally critizied by both genders, this I don't think can be denied (GENERALLY SPEAKING). As for age differences, if I am correct women prefer older men because of maturity/life experiences. Women want a man who they understand to some degree, and are not going to demonstrate immature behaviour as frequent as younger men. This hasn't changed the divorce rate in present day society. Maybe to have a lower divorce rate a greater age difference is successful. This is not about sexuality this is about relationships and what works. Sexual harassment is only one issue, which is highly publized to develope awareness. The percentage numbers are based on how many people complain not how many people are harassed. Sexual harassment is more than (SEXUAL CONTENT)it also includes OSTRACIZISM in society where people know nothing about an individual they are ostracizing, but follow bad leadership (People complain about bad leadership in many parts of society, but don't provide critical thinking in this area). I could "BUT WILL NOT" tell you some amazing stories where women are part of sexual misbehaviour towards men. Society is to learn from these mistakes and learn how to prevent this issue and it include's relationships of age differences. Men fail to report these issue generally, because how society will respond to them. This is learned behaviour by both genders. I don't think anyone is trying to be a hypocrite, just trying to express their life experiences to others for a open discussion on how to improve our lives and create a successful society. And life experience does not have to be considered as one's immediate life, but also include's what they've learned in the community around them that they know as fact, "NOT ASSUMPTION". What feelings do you believe that men have that are being ignored? And why are you assuming that women go for older men? Older men can absolutely be immature, just as younger men can be mature. I don't prefer older men. I actually prefer men my age or a bit younger. First you need to understand men outside the circle you care for. As for feeling's it's what we as men agree with women about, but when a male objects to a woman/women opinion on a topic men feel their being attached for there opinion on how they see the facts of the issue. When I was younger I had relationships with older women, but no one insulted them for their interest in a man almost half their age. Yes older men can be immature also, that maybe the life style one choses to live. You chosing men younger than you may be caused by your sexual drive if your in your thirties. This also depends if your in a relationship and if you've lost interest in your partner. Both genders behave similar in many way's, but usually one gender is critizied more than the other; depending on the abundences' of relationships/networking one has. Personally I feel one should have respect for their partner and leave before starting another relationship. How do you feel I am not understanding men outside the circle of people I care for? Can you provide examples of these feelings you're talking about that you believe men are being attacked for? Women are put down all the time for having interest in much younger men and called things like cougars. Why do you think you understand why I choose men that I am interested in? Have I mentioned sexual drive or not having interest in a partner? You seem to make a lot of assumptions. You did in a recent posting yesterday STATE "...that you do not care to understand men that you do not care for...". That society is to blame for you not wanting to understand these other men. If you read the postings in this discussion and postings in other discussions we've had over the last two day's you would understand the issues men feel they are being attached for, because they do not neccessarily agree with what a woman has stated as being fact. I personally don't mind if a woman date's a younger man that is her decision, such as it is a man's decission to date a younger woman. Or one gender prefers to date's the other gender that is older. I wasn't ASSUMING you dated for sexual issues I stated that it maybe part of a persons physiology, only I did not use the PHYSIOLOGY. Ah. You are confusing me with a completely different person. I never said that. You did make assumptions as I pointed out. I am asking you why, as we're complete strangers and there's no way you'd know why I would chose to date someone. You seemed to be talking to me, not speaking generally about everyone. That's why I asked. You keep going on about feelings men are having that are being ignored, so I was giving you the chance to give examples of these feelings. If you choose not to, fine. Just trying to understand where you're coming from. You did make that statement on page 11 of this thread. I was in the middle of replying to you; my last posting and unable to search for it at that time. I am replying to your statements, such as you've been replying to mine or others'. I failed to use the word "PHYSIOLOGY" in my second last posting instead I used the sexuality for simpler comprehension. I also stated in my last posting that women dating younger men was not an issue for me only interested in why you prefer younger men. As for feelings read some of the posting's not just in this thread but also other threads. I know we all like to reply to what we read just prior to our post. Therefor; you may have missed some of the postings and you may not have been involved in some of the other thread discussion. Again, you're confusing me with a completely different person. I did not make that statement. Sweetestgirl made that statement. We are two different people. You started off by saying if you were correct, women prefer older men. I responded saying that was not correct for everyone and you went on about sexual issues and not being happy with a partner. I had been responding specifically about me, since I can only speak for myself. You did not say at the time you were speaking others, which is what caused the confusion. Since I had responded about myself, it seemed to me that you had been assuming why I dated men my age or a bit younger. Now I know that you were speaking about other people who choose to date younger men due to sexual issues, I guess. |
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By the way, this thread is in part a response to this other thread: http://mingle2.com/topic/show/340800 Way to go Dodo_David you create a serious discussion and then run for the animal shelter to feed on cats'. Well, everyone has to take a break to eat every now and then. |
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It was not my intention to offened any woman/women in this forum/thread. Only to present the fact/case that men's feelings are being ignored, when it is apparent that men are to suppress them when offened by women base upon the differences' of childhood learning/education. Men that express their feeling openly are generally critizied by both genders, this I don't think can be denied (GENERALLY SPEAKING). As for age differences, if I am correct women prefer older men because of maturity/life experiences. Women want a man who they understand to some degree, and are not going to demonstrate immature behaviour as frequent as younger men. This hasn't changed the divorce rate in present day society. Maybe to have a lower divorce rate a greater age difference is successful. This is not about sexuality this is about relationships and what works. Sexual harassment is only one issue, which is highly publized to develope awareness. The percentage numbers are based on how many people complain not how many people are harassed. Sexual harassment is more than (SEXUAL CONTENT)it also includes OSTRACIZISM in society where people know nothing about an individual they are ostracizing, but follow bad leadership (People complain about bad leadership in many parts of society, but don't provide critical thinking in this area). I could "BUT WILL NOT" tell you some amazing stories where women are part of sexual misbehaviour towards men. Society is to learn from these mistakes and learn how to prevent this issue and it include's relationships of age differences. Men fail to report these issue generally, because how society will respond to them. This is learned behaviour by both genders. I don't think anyone is trying to be a hypocrite, just trying to express their life experiences to others for a open discussion on how to improve our lives and create a successful society. And life experience does not have to be considered as one's immediate life, but also include's what they've learned in the community around them that they know as fact, "NOT ASSUMPTION". What feelings do you believe that men have that are being ignored? And why are you assuming that women go for older men? Older men can absolutely be immature, just as younger men can be mature. I don't prefer older men. I actually prefer men my age or a bit younger. First you need to understand men outside the circle you care for. As for feeling's it's what we as men agree with women about, but when a male objects to a woman/women opinion on a topic men feel their being attached for there opinion on how they see the facts of the issue. When I was younger I had relationships with older women, but no one insulted them for their interest in a man almost half their age. Yes older men can be immature also, that maybe the life style one choses to live. You chosing men younger than you may be caused by your sexual drive if your in your thirties. This also depends if your in a relationship and if you've lost interest in your partner. Both genders behave similar in many way's, but usually one gender is critizied more than the other; depending on the abundences' of relationships/networking one has. Personally I feel one should have respect for their partner and leave before starting another relationship. How do you feel I am not understanding men outside the circle of people I care for? Can you provide examples of these feelings you're talking about that you believe men are being attacked for? Women are put down all the time for having interest in much younger men and called things like cougars. Why do you think you understand why I choose men that I am interested in? Have I mentioned sexual drive or not having interest in a partner? You seem to make a lot of assumptions. You did in a recent posting yesterday STATE "...that you do not care to understand men that you do not care for...". That society is to blame for you not wanting to understand these other men. If you read the postings in this discussion and postings in other discussions we've had over the last two day's you would understand the issues men feel they are being attached for, because they do not neccessarily agree with what a woman has stated as being fact. I personally don't mind if a woman date's a younger man that is her decision, such as it is a man's decission to date a younger woman. Or one gender prefers to date's the other gender that is older. I wasn't ASSUMING you dated for sexual issues I stated that it maybe part of a persons physiology, only I did not use the PHYSIOLOGY. Ah. You are confusing me with a completely different person. I never said that. You did make assumptions as I pointed out. I am asking you why, as we're complete strangers and there's no way you'd know why I would chose to date someone. You seemed to be talking to me, not speaking generally about everyone. That's why I asked. You keep going on about feelings men are having that are being ignored, so I was giving you the chance to give examples of these feelings. If you choose not to, fine. Just trying to understand where you're coming from. You did make that statement on page 11 of this thread. I was in the middle of replying to you; my last posting and unable to search for it at that time. I am replying to your statements, such as you've been replying to mine or others'. I failed to use the word "PHYSIOLOGY" in my second last posting instead I used the sexuality for simpler comprehension. I also stated in my last posting that women dating younger men was not an issue for me only interested in why you prefer younger men. As for feelings read some of the posting's not just in this thread but also other threads. I know we all like to reply to what we read just prior to our post. Therefor; you may have missed some of the postings and you may not have been involved in some of the other thread discussion. Again, you're confusing me with a completely different person. I did not make that statement. Sweetestgirl made that statement. That's right. You are getting statements made by two different people mixed up. Sweetestgirl, not singmesweet, made the statement that you are responding to. As for the feelings of men being ignored . . . well . . . you have been asked to give examples of what you are talking about, and thus far, you have not done so. |
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PUHLEASE! You are telling me that women in this society don't have a choice to chose their mates? AS IF! What planet are you on? You seriously think women don't get to call the shots here? If this were a place where I could just "Take what I want" from women I would have four in my house NOW and if I felt compelled I would go out and capture another today out of boredom! If I didn't know any better I would say you were pointing your finger at me right now and trying to politely call me a bastard for expressing my opinion and observation. AND STATISTICS CAN BE MADE TO EXPRESS WHATEVER YOU WANT THEM TO EXPRESS! There are more sociological factors to take into account as well as biological ones. Your argument is very Homocentric and egocentric more so than mine. At least I qualify my statement as MY opinion not trying to prop up my statement and argument on other people's facts especially when they leave out a lot of information. Women statistically treat men like OBJECTS just like MEN treat women like objects! But just because it is a woman WHINING about how badly treated they are justification for THEIR BAD BEHAVIOR, statistically speaking???? Come on, this is a passive aggressive attack on me. Andy, I do wish that you would take a chill pill. I still haven't figured out how the burr under your saddle is related to the anti-male sexual prejudice that I have seen expressed in these forums or to the male bashing in the USA mentioned in the OP. You have expressed frustration because of how women in California respond to your age and income level, but such a response from women doesn't appear to me to be a response to your gender. In this thread, you come across as being angry toward all women. Perhaps you are not, but that is how some people here perceive you. You need to do something to change that perception if it isn't correct. If it is correct, then you are taking your anger out on some innocent people. I am not angry at women. I am angry at the hypocrisy of our society. I just can't seem to find the right words or relate far too much to my own life experience. What I hate most is feeling like I have been living a lie for YEARS and that others perpetuated that lie even knowing I was catching on to it. The sick thing to me is that I can be in a crowd of people and feel utterly alone and detached. I always feel like I am something different stuck inside of a human skin to give some deity a good laugh but when I like in a mirror all I see is another human looking back at me. And yet when I am among my "fellow human" I can't get past this feeling, People want to control this crap with drugs. They go to alcohol. they go to some exotic extremes to deal with being alone. People call it depression. They try Therapy. they try religion. They try Social Peer Groups. None of this crap works for me. I addressed dealing with years of PTSD and dealing with that ball of wax. I had time to full evaluate myself and where I stand in life. Really of all things possible in life I just want to be in the loop for a change. That is why I am so lathered up... I am sick and tired of people telling me something is wrong with me when I have been addressing what was wrong with me. This is a case where the sickness of others is being projected on to me. Living feeling like an outcast among your own is the WORST thing I can think of short of living trapped on a desolate island alone! Besides, there is a huge difference at me being angry at women in general vs. expressing an opinion passionately! Even for all the things others have done to me in the past one fact remains I cannot escape no matter how I chose to view it, WE ALL DIG OUR OWN HOLES BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THEM! Seriously, am I really that maladjusted? Or am I just too much of a male Human for my own good? The feelings you're expressing are not exclusive to males Andy....Women can and do feel this way too... At the risk of being accused of making a passive aggressive attack on you I am going to tell you what I think......I think you use anger to mask pain..In the above post you express a fair amount of anger, but you also express hurt, pain, disappointment, and a willingness to communicate openly....You show a side of yourself that people can relate to...NO diagnosis, NO advice just this....If you let them, I think you will find the majority of people here and elsewhere do care about each other.... |
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It was not my intention to offened any woman/women in this forum/thread. Only to present the fact/case that men's feelings are being ignored, when it is apparent that men are to suppress them when offened by women base upon the differences' of childhood learning/education. Men that express their feeling openly are generally critizied by both genders, this I don't think can be denied (GENERALLY SPEAKING). As for age differences, if I am correct women prefer older men because of maturity/life experiences. Women want a man who they understand to some degree, and are not going to demonstrate immature behaviour as frequent as younger men. This hasn't changed the divorce rate in present day society. Maybe to have a lower divorce rate a greater age difference is successful. This is not about sexuality this is about relationships and what works. Sexual harassment is only one issue, which is highly publized to develope awareness. The percentage numbers are based on how many people complain not how many people are harassed. Sexual harassment is more than (SEXUAL CONTENT)it also includes OSTRACIZISM in society where people know nothing about an individual they are ostracizing, but follow bad leadership (People complain about bad leadership in many parts of society, but don't provide critical thinking in this area). I could "BUT WILL NOT" tell you some amazing stories where women are part of sexual misbehaviour towards men. Society is to learn from these mistakes and learn how to prevent this issue and it include's relationships of age differences. Men fail to report these issue generally, because how society will respond to them. This is learned behaviour by both genders. I don't think anyone is trying to be a hypocrite, just trying to express their life experiences to others for a open discussion on how to improve our lives and create a successful society. And life experience does not have to be considered as one's immediate life, but also include's what they've learned in the community around them that they know as fact, "NOT ASSUMPTION". What feelings do you believe that men have that are being ignored? And why are you assuming that women go for older men? Older men can absolutely be immature, just as younger men can be mature. I don't prefer older men. I actually prefer men my age or a bit younger. First you need to understand men outside the circle you care for. As for feeling's it's what we as men agree with women about, but when a male objects to a woman/women opinion on a topic men feel their being attached for there opinion on how they see the facts of the issue. When I was younger I had relationships with older women, but no one insulted them for their interest in a man almost half their age. Yes older men can be immature also, that maybe the life style one choses to live. You chosing men younger than you may be caused by your sexual drive if your in your thirties. This also depends if your in a relationship and if you've lost interest in your partner. Both genders behave similar in many way's, but usually one gender is critizied more than the other; depending on the abundences' of relationships/networking one has. Personally I feel one should have respect for their partner and leave before starting another relationship. How do you feel I am not understanding men outside the circle of people I care for? Can you provide examples of these feelings you're talking about that you believe men are being attacked for? Women are put down all the time for having interest in much younger men and called things like cougars. Why do you think you understand why I choose men that I am interested in? Have I mentioned sexual drive or not having interest in a partner? You seem to make a lot of assumptions. You did in a recent posting yesterday STATE "...that you do not care to understand men that you do not care for...". That society is to blame for you not wanting to understand these other men. If you read the postings in this discussion and postings in other discussions we've had over the last two day's you would understand the issues men feel they are being attached for, because they do not neccessarily agree with what a woman has stated as being fact. I personally don't mind if a woman date's a younger man that is her decision, such as it is a man's decission to date a younger woman. Or one gender prefers to date's the other gender that is older. I wasn't ASSUMING you dated for sexual issues I stated that it maybe part of a persons physiology, only I did not use the PHYSIOLOGY. Ah. You are confusing me with a completely different person. I never said that. You did make assumptions as I pointed out. I am asking you why, as we're complete strangers and there's no way you'd know why I would chose to date someone. You seemed to be talking to me, not speaking generally about everyone. That's why I asked. You keep going on about feelings men are having that are being ignored, so I was giving you the chance to give examples of these feelings. If you choose not to, fine. Just trying to understand where you're coming from. You did make that statement on page 11 of this thread. I was in the middle of replying to you; my last posting and unable to search for it at that time. I am replying to your statements, such as you've been replying to mine or others'. I failed to use the word "PHYSIOLOGY" in my second last posting instead I used the sexuality for simpler comprehension. I also stated in my last posting that women dating younger men was not an issue for me only interested in why you prefer younger men. As for feelings read some of the posting's not just in this thread but also other threads. I know we all like to reply to what we read just prior to our post. Therefor; you may have missed some of the postings and you may not have been involved in some of the other thread discussion. Again, you're confusing me with a completely different person. I did not make that statement. Sweetestgirl made that statement. We are two different people. You started off by saying if you were correct, women prefer older men. I responded saying that was not correct for everyone and you went on about sexual issues and not being happy with a partner. I had been responding specifically about me, since I can only speak for myself. You did not say at the time you were speaking others, which is what caused the confusion. Since I had responded about myself, it seemed to me that you had been assuming why I dated men my age or a bit younger. Now I know that you were speaking about other people who choose to date younger men due to sexual issues, I guess. Your right it was a different person on page 11 I was referring to. My mistake for not being more careful and just glancing at the names. And yes Dodo I realized that once she brought it to my attention and you made your last post before I was able to post my response. When looking at relationships men have generally been somewhat older than the woman. This is not always the case I agree. It is my experience personally and with men who have dated older women that sexuallity is part of the attraction. It is common knowledge that women peek in sexuallity around and through their thirties. Men in their early twenties. You may look at younger men due to life expediency, it really is your choice and decission. I'm not judging you for your decisions on what you chose is right for you and your personal relationship. And as for an example which one would you prefer: how to be a father, dating a woman, finding equality between genders, men who want women to be properous, men don't understand women (on some issue yes), shall I continue the list of examples or has societial discussions provided this differences in oponions themself. |
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And as for an example which one would you prefer: how to be a father, dating a woman, finding equality between genders, men who want women to be properous, men don't understand women (on some issue yes), shall I continue the list of examples or has societial discussions provided this differences in oponions themself.
You are referring to opinions, not feelings. Are you saying that men are being told to keep their opinions to themselves and to let women have their way? |
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Men have their opinions about women but they have been allowed to use those "opinions" to control women around the world for far too long. They are just opinions, not facts. That is the issue with our men controlled society even today.
Men cannot tell women about their bodies and their needs since they can't understand them at all. And men throughout the governing history didn't put much stock in what a woman said she needed. They actually preferred a woman who claimed to need nothing. There is no war on men but as with religion, the ones who have had the advantage for a long time feel put out when the advantage dwindles. |
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And as for an example which one would you prefer: how to be a father, dating a woman, finding equality between genders, men who want women to be properous, men don't understand women (on some issue yes), shall I continue the list of examples or has societial discussions provided this differences in oponions themself.
You are referring to opinions, not feelings. Are you saying that men are being told to keep their opinions to themselves and to let women have their way? Opinions are feelings in regards to an issue or topic. Opinions can be stated by data collection or by experiences that are not included/fit in; in data collection. I would not go as far to say "...men are being told to keep their opinions to themselves..."; what I am trying to say is when a man voice his opinion/feelings about a topic and it does not coincide with the normal publication of facts (known to people) that men do not understand the issue, or women's perceptions on the issuse. This maybe caused by experiences that people learn in daily life and voice not to everyone. Men have (in general) try to protect women from societial abuse since men are generally the one's who experiences the stigma (in modern day society). A man to blame is inflammed a woman at fault we try to find greater understanding, because it does not fit into the data collected. |
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By the way, this thread is in part a response to this other thread: http://mingle2.com/topic/show/340800 Way to go Dodo_David you create a serious discussion and then run for the animal shelter to feed on cats'. Well, everyone has to take a break to eat every now and then. How did you prepare them? What's the best part of a cat? Or is it an ancient Chinese secret? |
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And as for an example which one would you prefer: how to be a father, dating a woman, finding equality between genders, men who want women to be properous, men don't understand women (on some issue yes), shall I continue the list of examples or has societial discussions provided this differences in oponions themself.
You are referring to opinions, not feelings. Are you saying that men are being told to keep their opinions to themselves and to let women have their way? Opinions are feelings in regards to an issue or topic. Opinions can be stated by data collection or by experiences that are not included/fit in; in data collection. I would not go as far to say "...men are being told to keep their opinions to themselves..."; what I am trying to say is when a man voice his opinion/feelings about a topic and it does not coincide with the normal publication of facts (known to people) that men do not understand the issue, or women's perceptions on the issuse. This maybe caused by experiences that people learn in daily life and voice not to everyone. Men have (in general) try to protect women from societial abuse since men are generally the one's who experiences the stigma (in modern day society). A man to blame is inflammed a woman at fault we try to find greater understanding, because it does not fit into the data collected. Feelings are not opinions. Feelings are not facts. Feelings are emotions such as anger, happiness, sadness, fear, etc. A person can express an opinion or state a fact without expressing a feeling and vice-versa. As for the rest of your message, perhaps someone else can translate it for me, because I can't make any sense out of it. |
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And as for an example which one would you prefer: how to be a father, dating a woman, finding equality between genders, men who want women to be properous, men don't understand women (on some issue yes), shall I continue the list of examples or has societial discussions provided this differences in oponions themself.
You are referring to opinions, not feelings. Are you saying that men are being told to keep their opinions to themselves and to let women have their way? Opinions are feelings in regards to an issue or topic. Opinions can be stated by data collection or by experiences that are not included/fit in; in data collection. I would not go as far to say "...men are being told to keep their opinions to themselves..."; what I am trying to say is when a man voice his opinion/feelings about a topic and it does not coincide with the normal publication of facts (known to people) that men do not understand the issue, or women's perceptions on the issuse. This maybe caused by experiences that people learn in daily life and voice not to everyone. Men have (in general) try to protect women from societial abuse since men are generally the one's who experiences the stigma (in modern day society). A man to blame is inflammed a woman at fault we try to find greater understanding, because it does not fit into the data collected. Feelings are not opinions. Feelings are not facts. Feelings are emotions such as anger, happiness, sadness, fear, etc. A person can express an opinion or state a fact without expressing a feeling and vice-versa. As for the rest of your message, perhaps someone else can translate it for me, because I can't make any sense out of it. Dictionary Meaning: Feeling: 1a) a sense of touch or the capacity to feel, 1b) Physical sensation; 2a) a particular emotional reaction, 2b) emotional susceptibilities or sympathies; 3) a particular and usu. intuitive sensitivity, aptitude, or appreciation; 4) an OPINION, notion, or belief not based solely on reason, 4b) a vague often irratinal awareness or sensation, 4c) attitude or sentiment; 5) the capacity or readiness to feel, espl sympathy or compassion; 6a) the general emotional effect produced on a hearer, spectator, etc. by a work of art, piece of music, etc., 6b) emotional commitment or sensibility in artistic execution:: adj. 1) sensitive, sympathetic, compassionate, 2) showing emotion. 3) sentient or capable of sensation Opinion: 1) a belief or assessment based on grounds short of proof. 2) a view held as probable. 3) what one thinks about a particular topic or question, 4) a formal statement of professional advice, 4b) a formal staement of reasons for a judgment given, 5) an estimation---believe or naintain that----according to one's view or belief---a) a disputable point. As for your other question I did answer it you did not agree or prefer to understand what was stated. This happens to all people until you think about what one say's or new information is acquired on one who then changes their opinion or understands the other person's opinion/feeling. |
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Where in the world have you nay-sayers been? There sure is a major problem between men and women. This article goes straight to the heart of the matter. If you have any doubts as to how women truly feel about men, go into some of the lady dating chat rooms. Take a look at the women married but cheating sites. Talk about angry and bitter, you'll catch the truth as to how women feel about the lesser man of today.
Frankly, men deserve this. Most men let a woman walk all over them and then bemoan their misfortune because they were not "man enough" for her. This is exactly why, after I filed for divorce and custody of our three children (and won too), I have not remarried. And, folks, that was 37 years ago. I now subscribe to the old-fashioned club, the 4F Club. I'm just getting even for the guys who roll over and beg. |
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PUHLEASE! You are telling me that women in this society don't have a choice to chose their mates? AS IF! What planet are you on? You seriously think women don't get to call the shots here? If this were a place where I could just "Take what I want" from women I would have four in my house NOW and if I felt compelled I would go out and capture another today out of boredom! If I didn't know any better I would say you were pointing your finger at me right now and trying to politely call me a bastard for expressing my opinion and observation. AND STATISTICS CAN BE MADE TO EXPRESS WHATEVER YOU WANT THEM TO EXPRESS! There are more sociological factors to take into account as well as biological ones. Your argument is very Homocentric and egocentric more so than mine. At least I qualify my statement as MY opinion not trying to prop up my statement and argument on other people's facts especially when they leave out a lot of information. Women statistically treat men like OBJECTS just like MEN treat women like objects! But just because it is a woman WHINING about how badly treated they are justification for THEIR BAD BEHAVIOR, statistically speaking???? Come on, this is a passive aggressive attack on me. Andy, I do wish that you would take a chill pill. I still haven't figured out how the burr under your saddle is related to the anti-male sexual prejudice that I have seen expressed in these forums or to the male bashing in the USA mentioned in the OP. You have expressed frustration because of how women in California respond to your age and income level, but such a response from women doesn't appear to me to be a response to your gender. In this thread, you come across as being angry toward all women. Perhaps you are not, but that is how some people here perceive you. You need to do something to change that perception if it isn't correct. If it is correct, then you are taking your anger out on some innocent people. I am not angry at women. I am angry at the hypocrisy of our society. I just can't seem to find the right words or relate far too much to my own life experience. What I hate most is feeling like I have been living a lie for YEARS and that others perpetuated that lie even knowing I was catching on to it. The sick thing to me is that I can be in a crowd of people and feel utterly alone and detached. I always feel like I am something different stuck inside of a human skin to give some deity a good laugh but when I like in a mirror all I see is another human looking back at me. And yet when I am among my "fellow human" I can't get past this feeling, People want to control this crap with drugs. They go to alcohol. they go to some exotic extremes to deal with being alone. People call it depression. They try Therapy. they try religion. They try Social Peer Groups. None of this crap works for me. I addressed dealing with years of PTSD and dealing with that ball of wax. I had time to full evaluate myself and where I stand in life. Really of all things possible in life I just want to be in the loop for a change. That is why I am so lathered up... I am sick and tired of people telling me something is wrong with me when I have been addressing what was wrong with me. This is a case where the sickness of others is being projected on to me. Living feeling like an outcast among your own is the WORST thing I can think of short of living trapped on a desolate island alone! Besides, there is a huge difference at me being angry at women in general vs. expressing an opinion passionately! Even for all the things others have done to me in the past one fact remains I cannot escape no matter how I chose to view it, WE ALL DIG OUR OWN HOLES BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THEM! Seriously, am I really that maladjusted? Or am I just too much of a male Human for my own good? The feelings you're expressing are not exclusive to males Andy....Women can and do feel this way too... At the risk of being accused of making a passive aggressive attack on you I am going to tell you what I think......I think you use anger to mask pain..In the above post you express a fair amount of anger, but you also express hurt, pain, disappointment, and a willingness to communicate openly....You show a side of yourself that people can relate to...NO diagnosis, NO advice just this....If you let them, I think you will find the majority of people here and elsewhere do care about each other.... And to think us men get called dishonest about our feelings... |
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Where in the world have you nay-sayers been? There sure is a major problem between men and women. This article goes straight to the heart of the matter. If you have any doubts as to how women truly feel about men, go into some of the lady dating chat rooms. Take a look at the women married but cheating sites. Talk about angry and bitter, you'll catch the truth as to how women feel about the lesser man of today. Frankly, men deserve this. Most men let a woman walk all over them and then bemoan their misfortune because they were not "man enough" for her. This is exactly why, after I filed for divorce and custody of our three children (and won too), I have not remarried. And, folks, that was 37 years ago. I now subscribe to the old-fashioned club, the 4F Club. I'm just getting even for the guys who roll over and beg. I cannot prescribe to this lifestyle even though some men do take comfort in it. There are hazards with being a member of the 4F club. Disease is only a small part of the hazard. Also you will wear through the herd pretty fast. A lot of men do INDEED deserve what they get. I have seen and experienced what friends of mine have done to myself and others for pu$$y. And then when kitty runs off on them they are left Friendless and lamenting! I have female friends and customers that I really have no sexual interest in at all. A couple of the women I work for are really hot. I have thought of the idea of bending them over a couch and letting 14 years worth of 7 year itch go on them but the headaches afterwords are not worth it. I don't piss where I eat. More often than not when I start getting involved like that with a customer things get bent and weird. And trust me I do look at women a lot! SO MANY CHOICES but I want a woman who is just head and shoulders above the rest. I want the exceptional woman. Evey species has them. An "Exceptional" is any creature that does things not characteristic or unusually intelligent for its gene type. I have seen a cow that thought it was a horse and even stood there to be saddled up. It was very friendly and even responsive to verbal commands. That was one example. Another is a pet rat I had that learned tricks far faster than any rat I knew and was super affectionate with me. She would leap from the cage she was kept in and land on my shoulder if I passed and didn't give her any attention. I likewise had a pet rabbit that was spared from the butcher block because she just had too damn much personality. Where the other rabbits hid in terror this one demanded attention and followed me around like a dog. It knew its name, came when I called for her, and I could pick her up without her trying to gut me with her back feet. I have seen dogs, cats, fish, lizards, and a host of other animals that just rise above the rest of their respective kind. And all I find around me are just humans. Sometimes I do come across a human that does shine above the others so I do have some hope left in me. Being a dick about it though may scare off the woman of my dreams and rising above the pain and anguish I have to endure is hard. I can appreciate your way of coping though since a lot of women bring this change in men's attitude by their own attitude they refuse to acknowledge. You empower the oppressed they become the oppressor. Men and women get caught up in this bitter love hate cycle with no idea how to break it. It goes both ways but more often than not women refuse more often than men to admitting guilt for behavioral deviation. All of the progress we have made since the 1950s and earlier has been tarnished by all the over compensation especially from a racial and sexual social issues. Society is a lie that lied to us. Church is a lie that lied to us. The Media is a lie that especially lied to us. Government lies to us. But there is one thing I can say and that is you my friend refuse to live a lie! KUDOS TO YOU! At least you can admit openly how you choose to live your lifestyle! But in the end it is this form of trust issue I wish to avoid in my personal life. If I can't trust a woman why am I in bed with her in the first place? that was how I was raised and every time I let down on that standard I wind up paying for it later. Trust is the one thing I got that can't be paid for. |
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You did in a recent posting yesterday STATE "...that you do not care to understand men that you do not care for...". That society is to blame for you not wanting to understand these other men. <<<< I didn't say that either. Is there yet a third woman in his little black book?
He has already misunderstood me once but to be advised that singme will have far more patience to help you understand....I'm more like OK I explained it once....I'm done here |
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It was not my intention to offened any woman/women in this forum/thread. Only to present the fact/case that men's feelings are being ignored, when it is apparent that men are to suppress them when offened by women base upon the differences' of childhood learning/education. Men that express their feeling openly are generally critizied by both genders, this I don't think can be denied (GENERALLY SPEAKING). As for age differences, if I am correct women prefer older men because of maturity/life experiences. Women want a man who they understand to some degree, and are not going to demonstrate immature behaviour as frequent as younger men. This hasn't changed the divorce rate in present day society. Maybe to have a lower divorce rate a greater age difference is successful. This is not about sexuality this is about relationships and what works. Sexual harassment is only one issue, which is highly publized to develope awareness. The percentage numbers are based on how many people complain not how many people are harassed. Sexual harassment is more than (SEXUAL CONTENT)it also includes OSTRACIZISM in society where people know nothing about an individual they are ostracizing, but follow bad leadership (People complain about bad leadership in many parts of society, but don't provide critical thinking in this area). I could "BUT WILL NOT" tell you some amazing stories where women are part of sexual misbehaviour towards men. Society is to learn from these mistakes and learn how to prevent this issue and it include's relationships of age differences. Men fail to report these issue generally, because how society will respond to them. This is learned behaviour by both genders. I don't think anyone is trying to be a hypocrite, just trying to express their life experiences to others for a open discussion on how to improve our lives and create a successful society. And life experience does not have to be considered as one's immediate life, but also include's what they've learned in the community around them that they know as fact, "NOT ASSUMPTION". What feelings do you believe that men have that are being ignored? And why are you assuming that women go for older men? Older men can absolutely be immature, just as younger men can be mature. I don't prefer older men. I actually prefer men my age or a bit younger. First you need to understand men outside the circle you care for. As for feeling's it's what we as men agree with women about, but when a male objects to a woman/women opinion on a topic men feel their being attached for there opinion on how they see the facts of the issue. When I was younger I had relationships with older women, but no one insulted them for their interest in a man almost half their age. Yes older men can be immature also, that maybe the life style one choses to live. You chosing men younger than you may be caused by your sexual drive if your in your thirties. This also depends if your in a relationship and if you've lost interest in your partner. Both genders behave similar in many way's, but usually one gender is critizied more than the other; depending on the abundences' of relationships/networking one has. Personally I feel one should have respect for their partner and leave before starting another relationship. How do you feel I am not understanding men outside the circle of people I care for? Can you provide examples of these feelings you're talking about that you believe men are being attacked for? Women are put down all the time for having interest in much younger men and called things like cougars. Why do you think you understand why I choose men that I am interested in? Have I mentioned sexual drive or not having interest in a partner? You seem to make a lot of assumptions. You did in a recent posting yesterday STATE "...that you do not care to understand men that you do not care for...". That society is to blame for you not wanting to understand these other men. If you read the postings in this discussion and postings in other discussions we've had over the last two day's you would understand the issues men feel they are being attached for, because they do not neccessarily agree with what a woman has stated as being fact. I personally don't mind if a woman date's a younger man that is her decision, such as it is a man's decission to date a younger woman. Or one gender prefers to date's the other gender that is older. I wasn't ASSUMING you dated for sexual issues I stated that it maybe part of a persons physiology, only I did not use the PHYSIOLOGY. Ah. You are confusing me with a completely different person. I never said that. You did make assumptions as I pointed out. I am asking you why, as we're complete strangers and there's no way you'd know why I would chose to date someone. You seemed to be talking to me, not speaking generally about everyone. That's why I asked. You keep going on about feelings men are having that are being ignored, so I was giving you the chance to give examples of these feelings. If you choose not to, fine. Just trying to understand where you're coming from. You did make that statement on page 11 of this thread. I was in the middle of replying to you; my last posting and unable to search for it at that time. I am replying to your statements, such as you've been replying to mine or others'. I failed to use the word "PHYSIOLOGY" in my second last posting instead I used the sexuality for simpler comprehension. I also stated in my last posting that women dating younger men was not an issue for me only interested in why you prefer younger men. As for feelings read some of the posting's not just in this thread but also other threads. I know we all like to reply to what we read just prior to our post. Therefor; you may have missed some of the postings and you may not have been involved in some of the other thread discussion. Again, you're confusing me with a completely different person. I did not make that statement. Sweetestgirl made that statement. That's right. You are getting statements made by two different people mixed up. Sweetestgirl, not singmesweet, made the statement that you are responding to. As for the feelings of men being ignored . . . well . . . you have been asked to give examples of what you are talking about, and thus far, you have not done so. no I did not - al least not the way I am being misquoted above.... you guys leave me outta it - I just wanna rock |
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And as for an example which one would you prefer: how to be a father, dating a woman, finding equality between genders, men who want women to be properous, men don't understand women (on some issue yes), shall I continue the list of examples or has societial discussions provided this differences in oponions themself.
You are referring to opinions, not feelings. Are you saying that men are being told to keep their opinions to themselves and to let women have their way? WHAT???? where is that planet - I wanna go!!!!! |
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