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Yes the father is far more powerful then Jesus.; that's why Jesus is like Satan and Adam and Eve....they are all wannabes And no popping otu of a womb does not make one a creation, specifically in this context. Jesus already had life before he entered into the womb. His life source was not created in the womb. his life source was/is "The Father" ...but he popped out of a womb...and that makes him a creation Incorrect. Jesus was with the father in the beginning. In the beginning was the Word the Word was with God and the Word was God. Then the word was made flesh and dwelt among us. you said that God is only a title to show authority....so repeat your above statement with out the inclusion of the word God ...and you will see that Jesus is only a wannabe and why in the beginning he was a creation of The Father No Funches, again after again after again after again after again, the WORD "God" is used in reference to them because it means authority. I do no know if in the original scriptures it contained God's name or not. But in the english translation it translates it to "God" and is capitolized to show it is a proper noun eg., a name. In this verse keeping it in context we can see that it is referring to God the Father and the Word which is Jesus in the flesh. excuses excuses...if God is a title, this is why only wannabes will use it ..like Ceasar etc. so again repeat your statement without including the title God without making Jesus seem like a wannabe bet you can't How is he a wannabe? He is our God. He is the one that created us, he has that authority to judge us, he has the authority to give us life. He has total authority over us, thus he is our God. |
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What are you talking about now? Adam and Eve are not singular people. Adam - Mankind Eve - Life And Satan only thinks himself to be more powerful then God, so yes could call him a wannabe. And Jesus never proclaimed to be more powerful then the Father. He countless times says he does the Father's will. I'm not disputing what you stated, I'm only saiding that what you stated proves that Jesus is only a wannabe that is expected to do the "Will" of The Father ...just as Satan and Mankind Jesus is OUR God Funches. He isn't God over God the father, which is why he refers to his father as "God" eg., "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me". Then we have "do not tempt the lord THY God" or in other words, do not tempt the Lord your God. And no Satan doesn't do the will of the Father. And which is why he was kicked out of Heaven and locked in chains. And later will be destroyed in the lake of fire. And mankind follows the laws of Jesus Christ. He is the one whom made us, he is the one whom directs us on how we are to live. Cowboy, you were the one that stated that Jesus does the "Will" of the Father ....you're arguing with yourself Yes Jesus does do the will of the Father. What does that have anything to do with what we're talking about here? |
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Yes the father is far more powerful then Jesus.; that's why Jesus is like Satan and Adam and Eve....they are all wannabes And no popping otu of a womb does not make one a creation, specifically in this context. Jesus already had life before he entered into the womb. His life source was not created in the womb. his life source was/is "The Father" ...but he popped out of a womb...and that makes him a creation Incorrect. Jesus was with the father in the beginning. In the beginning was the Word the Word was with God and the Word was God. Then the word was made flesh and dwelt among us. you said that God is only a title to show authority....so repeat your above statement with out the inclusion of the word God ...and you will see that Jesus is only a wannabe and why in the beginning he was a creation of The Father No Funches, again after again after again after again after again, the WORD "God" is used in reference to them because it means authority. I do no know if in the original scriptures it contained God's name or not. But in the english translation it translates it to "God" and is capitolized to show it is a proper noun eg., a name. In this verse keeping it in context we can see that it is referring to God the Father and the Word which is Jesus in the flesh. excuses excuses...if God is a title, this is why only wannabes will use it ..like Ceasar etc. so again repeat your statement without including the title God without making Jesus seem like a wannabe bet you can't How is he a wannabe? He is our God. He is the one that created us, he has that authority to judge us, he has the authority to give us life. He has total authority over us, thus he is our God. if jesus isn't a wannabe..why do he need authority? |
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Yes Jesus does do the will of the Father. What does that have anything to do with what we're talking about here? aren't all creations require to do the do the "Will" of The Father ... |
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Yes Jesus does do the will of the Father. What does that have anything to do with what we're talking about here? aren't all creations require to do the do the "Will" of The Father ... 1. Jesus isn't a creation. 2. Jesus did the will of the father because he humbled himself and took on the form of a servant. Again, Jesus is the Word and in the beginning was God and the Word. |
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CowboyGH
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Sat 12/29/12 09:57 AM
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Yes Jesus does do the will of the Father. What does that have anything to do with what we're talking about here? aren't all creations require to do the do the "Will" of The Father ... We do the will of Jesus, which in turn we are doing the will of the Father. As they are "one". And again the word translated into "one" is speaking of the will of the being, what they desire. |
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Again, Jesus is the Word and in the beginning was God and the Word. that Jesus is The Word is something you believe...but it's no getting around the biblical fact that Jesus popped out of a womb, and this is why he is a creation.... so do I go with what you google cut and paste from one of those Satan websites ...or do I go with what is in the bible? choices choices |
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Yes Jesus does do the will of the Father. What does that have anything to do with what we're talking about here? aren't all creations require to do the do the "Will" of The Father ... We do the will of Jesus, which in turn we are doing the will of the Father. As they are "one". And again the word translated into "one" is speaking of the will of the being, what they desire. why is Jesus required to do the Will of The Father...and not vice versa..can you explain it without making Jesus sound like a creation |
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Yes Jesus does do the will of the Father. What does that have anything to do with what we're talking about here? aren't all creations require to do the do the "Will" of The Father ... We do the will of Jesus, which in turn we are doing the will of the Father. As they are "one". And again the word translated into "one" is speaking of the will of the being, what they desire. why is Jesus required to do the Will of The Father...and not vice versa..can you explain it without making Jesus sound like a creation No my friend. Jesus isn't REQUIRED to do anything. He does the will of the Father out of love, just as I do the will of Jesus. |
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Again, Jesus is the Word and in the beginning was God and the Word. that Jesus is The Word is something you believe...but it's no getting around the biblical fact that Jesus popped out of a womb, and this is why he is a creation.... so do I go with what you google cut and paste from one of those Satan websites ...or do I go with what is in the bible? choices choices Yes, he took on the form of a servant.... we already been through this close to a million times now Funches. He humbled himself and took on the form of a breathing person in the flesh. |
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Sat 12/29/12 10:52 AM
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No my friend. Jesus isn't REQUIRED to do anything. He does the will of the Father out of love, just as I do the will of Jesus. Love is an excuse people use to justify their stupidity towards another...so if you want to prove that Jesus have "Free Will" ...show an incident in which he rejected doing the Father's Will |
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Again, Jesus is the Word and in the beginning was God and the Word. that Jesus is The Word is something you believe...but it's no getting around the biblical fact that Jesus popped out of a womb, and this is why he is a creation.... so do I go with what you google cut and paste from one of those Satan websites ...or do I go with what is in the bible? choices choices Yes, he took on the form of a servant.... we already been through this close to a million times now Funches. He humbled himself and took on the form of a breathing person in the flesh. that is still your belief...not everyone agrees with your belief....but one thing that can not be disputed is that Jesus popped out of a womb as a creation |
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No my friend. Jesus isn't REQUIRED to do anything. He does the will of the Father out of love, just as I do the will of Jesus. Love is an excuse people use to justify their stupidity towards another...so if you want to prove that Jesus have "Free Will" ...show an incident in which he rejected doing the Father's Will ??? Rejecting the Father's will and free will have no connection to one another. And now you're still forgetting Jesus said "The Father and I are one". And again the term translated here is referring to wills, desires. Jesus did the father's will because it was his will as well. |
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Again, Jesus is the Word and in the beginning was God and the Word. that Jesus is The Word is something you believe...but it's no getting around the biblical fact that Jesus popped out of a womb, and this is why he is a creation.... so do I go with what you google cut and paste from one of those Satan websites ...or do I go with what is in the bible? choices choices Yes, he took on the form of a servant.... we already been through this close to a million times now Funches. He humbled himself and took on the form of a breathing person in the flesh. that is still your belief...not everyone agrees with your belief....but one thing that can not be disputed is that Jesus popped out of a womb as a creation That is not specifically just my belief. The scriptures explicitly state what I said there, there was no miss-translation or even any translation on my part, it explicitly said what I said there. Yes Jesus did pop out of a womb for the lack of better terminology lol. But that was because Mary was filled with his spirit, his spirit "him" was already in existence. It's just he went into her womb through the Holy Spirit to take on the flesh. He was no "created". |
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No my friend. Jesus isn't REQUIRED to do anything. He does the will of the Father out of love, just as I do the will of Jesus. Love is an excuse people use to justify their stupidity towards another...so if you want to prove that Jesus have "Free Will" ...show an incident in which he rejected doing the Father's Will ??? Rejecting the Father's will and free will have no connection to one another. And now you're still forgetting Jesus said "The Father and I are one". And again the term translated here is referring to wills, desires. Jesus did the father's will because it was his will as well. funny how Jesus wasn't crying "the father and I are one" when he was being crucified..he instead was crying "why have you forsaken me" but anyway you have yet to provide anything that displays that Jesus had any "Free Will" and was anything more than just a puppet of God |
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Yes Jesus did pop out of a womb for the lack of better terminology lol. But that was because Mary was filled with his spirit, his spirit "him" was already in existence. It's just he went into her womb through the Holy Spirit to take on the flesh. He was no "created". weren't everyone in "existence" before creation ..but not yet formed until they popped out of the womb ...the same as Jesus |
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No my friend. Jesus isn't REQUIRED to do anything. He does the will of the Father out of love, just as I do the will of Jesus. Love is an excuse people use to justify their stupidity towards another...so if you want to prove that Jesus have "Free Will" ...show an incident in which he rejected doing the Father's Will ??? Rejecting the Father's will and free will have no connection to one another. And now you're still forgetting Jesus said "The Father and I are one". And again the term translated here is referring to wills, desires. Jesus did the father's will because it was his will as well. funny how Jesus wasn't crying "the father and I are one" when he was being crucified..he instead was crying "why have you forsaken me" but anyway you have yet to provide anything that displays that Jesus had any "Free Will" and was anything more than just a puppet of God ??? How is that even possible to show Funches? In your eyes everything Jesus did, he did because he was "forced", because he was a "puppet". That is purely brought on through your preception, no one could show you anything to change that. And explain why Jesus would even be crying out "the father and I are one". Please make sense with your comments funches. |
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Yes Jesus did pop out of a womb for the lack of better terminology lol. But that was because Mary was filled with his spirit, his spirit "him" was already in existence. It's just he went into her womb through the Holy Spirit to take on the flesh. He was no "created". weren't everyone in "existence" before creation ..but not yet formed until they popped out of the womb ...the same as Jesus No, we are just that "formed" in the womb. Jesus was not "formed" in the womb. So no, we are not in existence before we are formed in the womb, where'd you get that notion? |
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??? How is that even possible to show Funches? In your eyes everything Jesus did, he did because he was "forced", because he was a "puppet". That is purely brought on through your preception, no one could show you anything to change that. if Jesus is a puppet of course you can not show it, but if he wasn't a puppet you could, no one agree with everything that someone does unless they are a stepford wife...or a puppet And explain why Jesus would even be crying out "the father and I are one". Please make sense with your comments funches. crying on the cross why have you forsaken me is proof that the Father and Jesus "are not one" |
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No, we are just that "formed" in the womb. Jesus was not "formed" in the womb. So no, we are not in existence before we are formed in the womb, where'd you get that notion? unless Mary was walking around for 9 months with a 185 pound man in her belly, then Jesus was formed....and that makes him a creation |
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