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Topic: --- Is God real? ---
styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 11:30 AM
How would that mean God was imperfect? Yes, God creates the "being", but God does not control that being, unless that being subdues them self to God. Remember, we are not robots. Now, explain how that makes God imperfect, please. didn't God "know" everything that Satan would do, before he created Satan? Yes, Satan was God's strongest most beautiful angel, needed for whatever they do. Things of this nature, you would have to ask God when you meet him. We are not given this form of information, this deeply of the "why's, how comes, and the what for's". It is irrelevant for us to know. All the knowledge we are given is the knowledge to potentially gain the reward of Heaven, the knowledge we need to know to achieve such a thing through Jesus Christ. Outside of that again would be irrelevant and unimportant to know. allow me to explain why it's relevant and important to know if God knew everything what Satan and everyone would do before he created them...that's why in matters pertaining to religion, everyone are robots ok now god is all knowing and he did create satan and hes all knowing so he had to know that satin would fall but he took one suspect and made a example out of him and done good for the rest of the world and gave us his son jesus christ the only one we all need!!

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 11:39 AM
it also says in bible i didnt say it would be easy i said it will be worth it

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 11:55 AM
2. Even him being ordained does not mean he had to do God's will and what God wanted him to do. He could have turned away and not did the will of the lord. that would mean that what God "knew" about Jeremiah before he was formed was wrong your attempt to prove that you or Jeremiah have Free Will will only end up proving that your God is not omniscient it's a catch 22 this is just some helpful advice to anyone who believes theres no god or somekind of wrong doing. I would recomend to truthfuly and honestly form a personal relationship with god then you will undoubtly believe or see more clearly.

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 12:05 PM
o.O Sure he was formed.. what are you talking about? God formed us all in our mother's womb. Where did that comment come from? And again, what are you talking about? Jeremiah 1:5 states that God knew Jeremiah before he was formed in the womb ...stay focus Cowboy therefore Jeremiah's destiny was pre-determine before Jeremiah had the opportunity to make any choices ... all of human life is formed and god knew all of us. first off god used moses and arron an jerimiah to free the slaves from bondage. second god forces no one to do anything thats why we all meet are maker eventualy. why are we argueing over words and rules and regulations. theres alot humans dont need to know thats gods job hes the perfect one. just rely on jesus and the bible says faith,hope and love abide but the greatest is love, lust love others as yourself.

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 12:25 PM
Destiny? Again, give us the source of your knowledge about this "destiny". Because again, it would make life pointless. life is pointless to God... but of course you're welcome to give a reason why God would "need" man for anything ... god does not need man your corect but gods wants man and chooses man. god is pure love and nothing but love and what better way to express love but to someone else we his children. he does not program his children he loves us all and wants the best for us but lets us make our own choices call our free will which we can never loose or can never be altered by anyone but the individual person

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 12:45 PM
I don't believe in god myself but who am I to tell someone that does believe that he isn't real. You can make anything real with the right belief. This is so sad... because it's true. People beleive that 1-3=0. Those who believe in the Holy Trinity. This is the first and second questions answered in the RC Catekism, and it's the most impossible belief. Yet people who want to believe this, they do. This is so sad. Because 1 cannot be equal to three, since they are axiomatic. here is another way to explain the trinity and its very simply put.you have three differnt forms of water. Theres ice theres water and theres steam. you get freshness from the cool water, you get fresh air from ice or it coldness on a hot day and still we have steam a force of power wich no one can withstand but there all three water. they all have different tasks but the all help you and have the same purpose. I really don't know how people can believe it, and how people in good conscience can teach this to little kids in Sunday schools. Judaism is stupid, too. There are too many laws, and they are mostly crazy. But Judaism teaches no logically ab ovo wrong things. Things that can't be true, no matter what, yet you have to accept it as true. Hinduism is screwed, too. It teaches an even less believable logical fault. I don't know the Quran... it's self defence, I don't want to be hunted down on the order of some ayatollah. Let's see... Buddhism is full of it, too, and so is Shintoism and Taoism. But to make a point of putting the onus on believers to accept that forty-seven to the power of three is forty-seven, is too much to take. Or that one to the power of two is nine. Or that one to the power of one is 27. Or that three to the power of three is 1. About the trinity thing, I'll explain best I know it and have come to understand it. The word "god" is not a name, it is not a species, it is not a specific type of being in that such way. The word "god" means being of authority. That is why it can say "know ye not, that ye are gods?" "I have said ye are gods" and still say "there is but one god, even the demons tremble" and it not be a contradiction. We are gods, we have been given dominion over the beasts of this world. Dominion means - Sovereignty; control. With having control over the animals, that makes us authority over them, and that makes us "gods". But even with us all being "gods", there is but one "God" over us all. And that is God the father. God the father even had authority over Jesus. That is why Jesus came to do his father's will and not his own. And referred to his father as "my God, my God" while he was on the cross. That is why we can have three entities eg., the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, yet have one "God".

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 01:14 PM
Heaven is paved in gold because of it's beauty, not it's financial value we have placed on it. Cowboy...your God have secular items like Gold and stones in Heaven ??? Gold is not "secular". What are you talking about? so Gold is spiritual? Gold is neither. Gold is an object God created. So if God created it, why would it not possibly be in Heaven in which he also created? Cowboy...Gold is either secular or spiritual ...which one is it funchies saying heavens roads are paved with gold is spiritual at the time god stated this. when you refine something or clean it as god babtisees our obidience to him. us being babtized does not save us it just anounces to people you are now following god. gold is beautiful but also can withstand much heat and god used it as a example in comparison to being babtized and its beauty. remember god judges us as no one else does and im so thankful for that cause you got us all condemed and are trying to teach us something thats plainly a lie. the devil comes to kill,steal and destroy through decieving. god judes are intentions and heart not our short comeings. if god is for us who can be against us? no one thats who.

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 02:09 PM
Who's talking about "Christians"? I am a child of God, call that what you will. to be a Christian or not to be a Christian ..that is thine question for if thou are a Christian then thee are Commanded by thine Lord to Love, and thee has "no choice" but to do-it so so which is it Cowboy are thou a Christian? or Heathen? funchies read the story about saul and god gave him a new name and called him paul who was a pursecuier of christians was a murder and god himself used paul to write 3/4 of the new testament.

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 02:22 PM
Where on my profile does it say I am a Christian? This is a secular site, so with that, it asks your religious beliefs. In secular terms my religious beliefs are of the Christian faith. Again, context funches. the site doesn't ask your religious beliefs because that would be vague.....which is why it ask for your "religion"...and you checked "Christian" Doesn't ask for your religious beliefs, but it asks for your religion... hmmm, hate to you Funches, but that is the exact same thing lol. And yes, in secular terms my religious beliefs are of the Christian faith. And in secular terms I am a "Christian". But you did not specify, you merely asked if I was a Christian or not. And no I am not a Christian, being a Christian places your knowledge on a mere faith based level. In my heart I know God is real, so to me it's not based on faith, it's based on knowledge. When you boil it down, all knowledge not seen first hand is based off faith. well cowboy i agree with alot you have said but this is not one of them. being a christian is being christ like and to me saying your not a christian is mocking god and jesus. but thats my opinion.

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 02:22 PM
Where on my profile does it say I am a Christian? This is a secular site, so with that, it asks your religious beliefs. In secular terms my religious beliefs are of the Christian faith. Again, context funches. the site doesn't ask your religious beliefs because that would be vague.....which is why it ask for your "religion"...and you checked "Christian" Doesn't ask for your religious beliefs, but it asks for your religion... hmmm, hate to you Funches, but that is the exact same thing lol. And yes, in secular terms my religious beliefs are of the Christian faith. And in secular terms I am a "Christian". But you did not specify, you merely asked if I was a Christian or not. And no I am not a Christian, being a Christian places your knowledge on a mere faith based level. In my heart I know God is real, so to me it's not based on faith, it's based on knowledge. When you boil it down, all knowledge not seen first hand is based off faith. well cowboy i agree with alot you have said but this is not one of them. being a christian is being christ like and to me saying your not a christian is mocking god and jesus. but thats my opinion.

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 02:42 PM
Gods word is spiritual and prophetic and parabolic and allegorical using paralellisms in figurative metaphors that only Gods people understand....The spiritual Followers of Jesus Christ only the people walking in the Light can feed the bible it is impossible to feed it without being spiritually a part of it The words gentile and Christian not interchangable Gentile = heathen so non who are heathen follow Christ Go not in the way of the Gentiles once u become Christian u are no longer heathen then you are no longer gentile only trying to show you that if your not Christian how can you feed the bible? Jesus is a spirit not book he is written in a book that devils have tried to mutalate 2000 yrs so the devils have good reason to be mad at him Jesus was of the Tribe of Judah............who brought forth the gospel Jesus is king of all israel ( not that physical land ) the only true God The rest of the so called gods are fallen evils Nephilim are not men and they have no resurrection they are brute beast meant to be destroyed and whoever are linked inside those people are wicked spiritually and physically God gave a good command when he sent out the death sentence for he had did before at the flood and he will do again No where did it say angels mated it said they {Made} daughters and sons you said it best, only gods followers( the ones trying to make a effort) can and will be the only ones who understands god and know why he does things the way he does.

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 03:37 PM
Wow. Such an interesting thread. So many stating there opinions as facts. When one does this then their own reality is based on there own wants of what is true. This is not the truth but a 'perceived reality'. But in the end there is truth. 1 + 1 = 2. Sun rays will warm the earth. Clouds will block the sun. And somehow the spark of life started on this earth. All theories aside there is a truth. You are all right in that faith alone does not prove there is a God. But choosing to not seek truth is foolish. And deciding there isn't a God without seeking truth is foolish. May no-one believe in God just because I do. So go back and read how many people state this or that as fact when it really is just an opinion. In the end, go seek the answers yourself. They are there. Open your heart to seeking truth not trying to make the facts fit what you want to be the truth. My faith is not blind. It is based on seeking answers. Testing everything in the pursuit of finding the truth. Watching those who are at peace and those who are not. It is a waist of time to try and convince anyone who doesn't really want to know the truth. Good luck. God bless. hikerjohn your statement here is the best i have heard and its one hundred percent true. god bless you

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 03:42 PM
On a more serious note, perhaps a better question would be "what is God" As everyone here most likely assigns a different meaning to that word. god is everything and everywere at the sametime. god is spirit and truth! god is devine

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 03:53 PM
Indeed the word "truth" is already a part of language. However so is "brain" "thought" and "reality". So, as we can see, just because we have a name for a thing it does not mean that that which is being named requires language for it's existence. Correspondence to fact/reality is one such thing. Not sure what you're asking about in the end. Can you rephrase you questions, or perhaps put them into some context? The appreciation is shared. wow were way off topic here who changed the subject?

styk Joined Sat 11/26/11 Posts: 348	Sat 02/16/13 04:03 PM
"What you write takes on a truth of it's own." See here is where the deception is. Thought and words are not truth. At best they are beliefs. If I stated something as true with nothing to back it, its a view. My view. At most it becomes a perceived truth (the world calls it a perceived reality). But its not real or truth that we know for sure. I provided nothing to prove it. But you can chose to believe that there is no real truth. Thats a choice. It is the thoughts of a adolescent fool but we all chose fooling things all the time. There is truth and it is search-able. Be wise. Again to argue this is adolescent. Seek it and stop trying to prove there is or isn't truth. Your only distracting yourself from the journey. Now I will state what I have found to be truth based on proof of testing. I see the Biblical written word prove itself daily now. The foundations are there. Over and Over and Over. I see lives really change. Not band-aids, Not fakers,(they are there too), but real lives that were beyond messed up finding complete peace and lasting joy even in the world they created. And that includes me. And I find most of my friends who are still attempting to argue and avoid seeking answers as broken, laking peace and joyless. Having momentary happiness at the most. Usually followed by dread shortly after what ever they did to feel happy at that moment. I don't need to test if there is a God anymore. I don't need blind faith. I have proof. Every day now. And when my peace is broken, it wasn't anyone else or God that caused it. It was always me who broke it. Choosing to do something harmful to me. Sometimes hidden as something fun or erotic or daring. I cannot convince you to believe in God. That's actually not my job. I can only encourage you to seek truth and express and witness what I have found to be true. It's your job to do the work. hikerjohn i realy have enjoyed your truth and your posts. i bet your a GREAT FRIEND. PEACE BE WITH YOU

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Sat 02/16/13 05:08 PM
creativesoul My posts talk about seeking answers and the importance of doing so. I think understanding the difference between real and truth is something I will leave up to you to study and investigate. If your not sure, they are not the same. I am asking you to justify and/or explain your claims about Truth. I am asking you to tie that into the question at hand. Seeking answers and seeking true answers are not the same thing. I agree that that there is a difference between truth and reality. How that difference is accounted for will affect how the OP's question is approached and/or answered. We are fairly now. If you would like to continue discussing this, you can message me and I will respond when I can. But I will close it on my end on this thread. What we are currently talking about is not at all off topic. I am asking you what you mean by the things you've already said. Unfortunately, straight answers are not forthcoming. If you wish to discontinue this discussion without explaining yourself and/or directly addressing what I've said, then what was the point in saying anything at all? I mean, if another asks for clarification, then that should be forthcoming - to certain degree at least. All justification and/or explanation comes to an end somewhere. However, your explanation has yet to have begun.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Sat 02/16/13 05:13 PM
Indeed the word "truth" is already a part of language. However so is "brain" "thought" and "reality". So, as we can see, just because we have a name for a thing it does not mean that that which is being named requires language for it's existence. Correspondence to fact/reality is one such thing. Not sure what you're asking about in the end. Can you rephrase you questions, or perhaps put them into some context? The appreciation is shared. wow were way off topic here who changed the subject? You figure truth has nothing to do with whether or not God is real?

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Sat 02/16/13 05:16 PM
Indeed the word "truth" is already a part of language. However so is "brain" "thought" and "reality". So, as we can see, just because we have a name for a thing it does not mean that that which is being named requires language for it's existence. Correspondence to fact/reality is one such thing. Not sure what you're asking about in the end. Can you rephrase you questions, or perhaps put them into some context? The appreciation is shared. wow were way off topic here who changed the subject? You figure truth has nothing to do with whether or not God is real? Not while you are dictating "truth"...

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Sat 02/16/13 08:51 PM
I'm practically begging one of you kind folk who've invoked the term to kindly define it. You said "truth just is."

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Sat 02/16/13 08:54 PM
And you also said that the Bible is NOT real but God is. So, if truth just is and God is then truth is God. Yet there's a problem if I "dictate" what "truth" means when I use it?