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Edited by
Ladywind7
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Valid points. My thoughts are that God wants a family. He doesnt want robots, He wanted His family to be like Himself= to understand good & evil, yet to choose the good. He purposed the tree of knowledge of good & evil to be tempting & knew the outcome.
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Earth is a temporary place in the natural dimension, with the spiritual\supernatural being true eternal existance. Here evil reigns in many forms. But the sons & daughters of God manifest daily, are born again, to believe & know a good, holy God.
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No... God is not real Also, don't understand this "Free Choice". That is, GOD does not want robots. Hence, we have free choice. Yet, in reality there is no free choice. Free means to give or receive something without an expectation of return. I you hold a gun to your head and say " you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill yo. Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter. How can you possible deem something free when you MUST fear consequences such as hell for choosing not to believe fairy tales? Furthermore, if GOD is real. Then he is 100% evil. After all, he created satan knowing very well he would tempt Adam & Eve. He is the ultimate evil for he created it. So, GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL EVIL. Hence, why is HE bitching about sin when he created it in the first place? Ohh yeah, he wanted a perfect loving companion named Adam. Well, guess GOD is not perfect for he made many human errors... Umm.. hmm.. guess going to start over with a flood for man really goofed up in my eyes... despite the fact I designed him that way.. So, all this B.S. is simply B.S. written by man to control man via a GOD that man created... it's just B.S. Free means to give or receive something without an expectation of return. I you hold a gun to your head and say " you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill yo. Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter. How can you possible deem something free when you MUST fear consequences such as hell for choosing not to believe fairy tales? Free will has no connection to the consequence. The fact of having a choice is what free will is. Free will eg., the ability to make your will. You can make your will with God or not. You can choose to eat hamburgers today, or have a steak. You can choose to go to work, or not go to work. You can choose this or choose that, ect. If there was no free will you would wake up and do the same things over and over of whatever you were programmed to do. Death will already happen, doesn't matter if you're a pure saint or a total heathen. Your physical body will die one day, for death has entered into the world by one man's sin. God just offers eternal life to those whom wish to obey him. But that's not the reason for obeying, it's not a selfish act. It's obeying out of love and care for God. Furthermore, if GOD is real. Then he is 100% evil. After all, he created satan knowing very well he would tempt Adam & Eve. He is the ultimate evil for he created it. So, GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL EVIL. Aye, but there is no real connection there. Satan was around a looooong time before man came into the picture. Satan was God's most powerful, most beautiful angel. He grew an ego and thought himself to be greater then God. Thus, being kicked out of Heaven. Thus, Satan tempted mankind out of spite. We then fell into Satan's trap and fell from the grace of God. But God still offers this grace through his son Jesus Christ. God created Satan, yes. But he did not create his actions, thus God created no evil. |
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GOD created angels to SERVE him. They were designed by GOD to be the robots. Get it? The reason he created mankind was to have this so called free will of choice. The Angels had no choice, and if they did wrong GOD would simply eliminate their sin against him. So, GOD decides to create an evil being named Satan and that's simply wrong. GOD or no GOD because this was Jewish religion. What about all the other religions ehh? I guess they are right out of the many conflicts of many different bibles/religions? Huh?
The bottom line... if there is a GOD... He created Satan for the very purpose he is against, and that is a confused GOD in my eyes. This is my last post as this is simply silly to believe or argue. You either have a mind or don't have a mind. Read the GOD Delusion by Richard Hawkins if yah got a mind. |
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PS: GOD did create his actions silly.... Remember, everything he creates has a plan? What about that? So, if GOD does good it is because he planned it? If GOD does bad is because he didn't plan on it?
Come on... Wake up... Quit defending something that doesn't exist in the first place. |
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GOD created angels to SERVE him. They were designed by GOD to be the robots. Get it? The reason he created mankind was to have this so called free will of choice. The Angels had no choice, and if they did wrong GOD would simply eliminate their sin against him. So, GOD decides to create an evil being named Satan and that's simply wrong. GOD or no GOD because this was Jewish religion. What about all the other religions ehh? I guess they are right out of the many conflicts of many different bibles/religions? Huh? The bottom line... if there is a GOD... He created Satan for the very purpose he is against, and that is a confused GOD in my eyes. This is my last post as this is simply silly to believe or argue. You either have a mind or don't have a mind. Read the GOD Delusion by Richard Hawkins if yah got a mind. What are you talking about? Where do you get this information of the Angels not having a will of their own and only created to serve him? And if they had no choice, but did wrong? How does that work? How could they do wrong, if they had no choice? Hate to tell you, but Angels have free will just as you and I. |
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PS: GOD did create his actions silly.... Remember, everything he creates has a plan? What about that? So, if GOD does good it is because he planned it? If GOD does bad is because he didn't plan on it? Come on... Wake up... Quit defending something that doesn't exist in the first place. God didn't create his actions, only he created his own actions. Yes everything God creates does have a plan. God did not create Satan's disobedient actions, Satan did. Satan had a plan, he was again, God's most beautiful, strongest, most powerful angel. God does no bad, only his creations possibly do bad. God is not accountable for his creations actions, for God does not create the actions. |
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So, I suppose that Satan is more powerful than GOD. Cause GOD REALLY didn't plan on Satan being a rebel ehh? Hmmm... The all knowing, alpha and omega simply didn't think that creating a being designed to become evil just wasn't in his Plan?
Funny, GOD creates human people that are just human in nature which means we are simply humans that will make mistakes such as eating fruit from a silly tree. Then when we do what he designed us to do, we are the evil sinners? After that he sends his son to be tortured, well since he is a GOD couldn't he simply of said " your forgiven" without the b.s. torture games? Oh yeah, and if you don't accept his logic or lack of facts faith written thousand years ago... you spend ETERNITY in pain and suffering.. Gee, what a nice guy this GOD is? Hmm.. let's design angels to fail, man to fail, then execute anyone that does not believe this story. Then there is natural selection of evolution. Hmmm, GOD created the world in 7 days and there is no evolution. Then why are there blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, blue, brown, hazel, eyes and so forth without evolution... oh I get it... GOD simply couldn't make up his mind making us all in his image. Well, is he spanish, black, asian, white or what? If we are an image of GOD, then why is an ape the image of mankind with only slight dna % difference? Ehh? The ape is simply a cousin... a branch of the life that changed... oh yeah, has anyone measured the Grand Canyon waters cutting the rocks? At the rate of the earth only being 5k years old, the Grand Canyon should be at least 15 times deeper by now if you do the math. But in reality the Grand Canyon is millions year old as the river cutting through hard rock takes a long time.. not thousand of years, but millions.. jeesh... I give up on the idiocy of this GOD crap. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Mon 10/22/12 05:11 AM
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So, I suppose that Satan is more powerful than GOD. Cause GOD REALLY didn't plan on Satan being a rebel ehh? Hmmm... The all knowing, alpha and omega simply didn't think that creating a being designed to become evil just wasn't in his Plan? Funny, GOD creates human people that are just human in nature which means we are simply humans that will make mistakes such as eating fruit from a silly tree. Then when we do what he designed us to do, we are the evil sinners? After that he sends his son to be tortured, well since he is a GOD couldn't he simply of said " your forgiven" without the b.s. torture games? Oh yeah, and if you don't accept his logic or lack of facts faith written thousand years ago... you spend ETERNITY in pain and suffering.. Gee, what a nice guy this GOD is? Hmm.. let's design angels to fail, man to fail, then execute anyone that does not believe this story. Then there is natural selection of evolution. Hmmm, GOD created the world in 7 days and there is no evolution. Then why are there blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, blue, brown, hazel, eyes and so forth without evolution... oh I get it... GOD simply couldn't make up his mind making us all in his image. Well, is he spanish, black, asian, white or what? If we are an image of GOD, then why is an ape the image of mankind with only slight dna % difference? Ehh? The ape is simply a cousin... a branch of the life that changed... oh yeah, has anyone measured the Grand Canyon waters cutting the rocks? At the rate of the earth only being 5k years old, the Grand Canyon should be at least 15 times deeper by now if you do the math. But in reality the Grand Canyon is millions year old as the river cutting through hard rock takes a long time.. not thousand of years, but millions.. jeesh... I give up on the idiocy of this GOD crap. So, I suppose that Satan is more powerful than GOD. Cause GOD REALLY didn't plan on Satan being a rebel ehh? Hmmm... The all knowing, alpha and omega simply didn't think that creating a being designed to become evil just wasn't in his Plan? I know not if God knew Satan would do that or not, we do not have that information. Would be irrelevant for us to know either way. And our actions, thoughts, and or feelings are not "programmed" or built into us. We choose those, with our free will. If someone murders another, God did not "program/design" them that way, they just chose to do that with again their free will. Funny, GOD creates human people that are just human in nature which means we are simply humans that will make mistakes such as eating fruit from a silly tree. Then when we do what he designed us to do, we are the evil sinners? Again, we are not "designed" in any way shape or form in this fashion. We were made with "free will". Meaning we can and will do anything and everything we choose to do. The consequence of those actions and or the reaction to that action has no connection to free will. Free will is purely the ability to do or not do those things if we choose to or choose not to. Then there is natural selection of evolution. Hmmm, GOD created the world in 7 days and there is no evolution. Not saying that the theory of evolution is true eg., we evolved from apes or any form of lower life. But God did create us to be able to live in any and all parts of the world more or less. The simplest form of "evolution" we see every day is tanning. Our skin tans to protect us from the sun rays. The blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, ect are with evolution. That is why we differ in appearance and skin color... because of evolution to the surrounding environment. you spend ETERNITY in pain and suffering What are you talking abotu? Who is going to spend eternity in pain and suffering? Revelation 20:14 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. You either spend eternity in the paradise or spend eternity dead, depending on the righteous judgement of our God. |
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I know not if God knew Satan would do that or not, we do not have that information. Would be irrelevant for us to know either way. if the biblical God didn't have a clue as to what Satan would or would not do, only proves that the biblical God is not all-knowing and a false god, |
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I know not if God knew Satan would do that or not, we do not have that information. Would be irrelevant for us to know either way. if the biblical God didn't have a clue as to what Satan would or would not do, only proves that the biblical God is not all-knowing and a false god, Where do you get "he did not know" out of that? I said WE aren't given that information and would be irrelevant for us to know either way. |
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I know not if God knew Satan would do that or not, we do not have that information. Would be irrelevant for us to know either way. if the biblical God didn't have a clue as to what Satan would or would not do, only proves that the biblical God is not all-knowing and a false god, Where do you get "he did not know" out of that? I said WE aren't given that information and would be irrelevant for us to know either way. is God all-knowing or a false God? |
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I know not if God knew Satan would do that or not, we do not have that information. Would be irrelevant for us to know either way. if the biblical God didn't have a clue as to what Satan would or would not do, only proves that the biblical God is not all-knowing and a false god, Where do you get "he did not know" out of that? I said WE aren't given that information and would be irrelevant for us to know either way. is God all-knowing or a false God? God is all knowing. Just cause God knows someone(s) will or won't do something, does not mean he created that someone(s) to do or don't do that which is question. If God created someone(s) for a specific reason, to do a specific thing, and they more or less had no choice but to do that thing in question, there would be no free will. Thus, we are accountable for our own actions, good, and evil. That is all on us and can not point fingers at the creator, as again we chose to do or not do those things in question. |
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So, is God real? Which god are we talking about? What moves you to believe so? God is real to me. I am talking about God the Creator of the universe. I am moved by the complexity of his creation and the miracles of birth and faith around the world. |
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Edited by
funches
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Tue 10/23/12 11:55 AM
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God is all knowing. Just cause God knows someone(s) will or won't do something, does not mean he created that someone(s) to do or don't do that which is question. then that would mean that God is not all-knowing and imperfect |
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God is all knowing. Just cause God knows someone(s) will or won't do something, does not mean he created that someone(s) to do or don't do that which is question. then that would mean that God is not all-knowing and imperfect How would that mean God was imperfect? Yes, God creates the "being", but God does not control that being, unless that being subdues them self to God. Remember, we are not robots. Now, explain how that makes God imperfect, please. |
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How would that mean God was imperfect? Yes, God creates the "being", but God does not control that being, unless that being subdues them self to God. Remember, we are not robots. Now, explain how that makes God imperfect, please. didn't God "know" everything that Satan would do, before he created Satan? |
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How would that mean God was imperfect? Yes, God creates the "being", but God does not control that being, unless that being subdues them self to God. Remember, we are not robots. Now, explain how that makes God imperfect, please. didn't God "know" everything that Satan would do, before he created Satan? Yes, Satan was God's strongest most beautiful angel, needed for whatever they do. Things of this nature, you would have to ask God when you meet him. We are not given this form of information, this deeply of the "why's, how comes, and the what for's". It is irrelevant for us to know. All the knowledge we are given is the knowledge to potentially gain the reward of Heaven, the knowledge we need to know to achieve such a thing through Jesus Christ. Outside of that again would be irrelevant and unimportant to know. |
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How would that mean God was imperfect? Yes, God creates the "being", but God does not control that being, unless that being subdues them self to God. Remember, we are not robots. Now, explain how that makes God imperfect, please. didn't God "know" everything that Satan would do, before he created Satan? Yes, Satan was God's strongest most beautiful angel, needed for whatever they do. Things of this nature, you would have to ask God when you meet him. We are not given this form of information, this deeply of the "why's, how comes, and the what for's". It is irrelevant for us to know. All the knowledge we are given is the knowledge to potentially gain the reward of Heaven, the knowledge we need to know to achieve such a thing through Jesus Christ. Outside of that again would be irrelevant and unimportant to know. allow me to explain why it's relevant and important to know if God knew everything what Satan and everyone would do before he created them...that's why in matters pertaining to religion, everyone are robots |
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How would that mean God was imperfect? Yes, God creates the "being", but God does not control that being, unless that being subdues them self to God. Remember, we are not robots. Now, explain how that makes God imperfect, please. didn't God "know" everything that Satan would do, before he created Satan? Yes, Satan was God's strongest most beautiful angel, needed for whatever they do. Things of this nature, you would have to ask God when you meet him. We are not given this form of information, this deeply of the "why's, how comes, and the what for's". It is irrelevant for us to know. All the knowledge we are given is the knowledge to potentially gain the reward of Heaven, the knowledge we need to know to achieve such a thing through Jesus Christ. Outside of that again would be irrelevant and unimportant to know. allow me to explain why it's relevant and important to know if God knew everything what Satan and everyone would do before he created them...that's why in matters pertaining to religion, everyone are robots That still doesn't explain why it would be relevant to be informed of such information, on weather he knew or possibly didn't know. Either way makes no bit of difference in our salvation and or what we are to do to possibly achieve such a thing through Jesus Christ. So again, I ask where is the relevance? Not if it is relevant or not, but where is the relevance and the importance for us to know such a thing? |
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