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Well, ought I take it that you are not going to explain what you think about how truth plays a role?  I've told you before, truth just is... I can't change it, you can't change it, all we can do is "perceive" it. |
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I was not talking to you.
There are still several points that were already raised which you have yet to have given due attention. |
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I was not talking to you. There are still several points that were already raised which you have yet to have given due attention. You don't pay attention to what I say, do you? I don't follow your rules, PERIOD! |
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I was not talking to you. There are still several points that were already raised which you have yet to have given due attention. I guess I felt I answered it the best I could. Is it a fundamental question you are not sure of, or a debate point you wish to continue with? If you have a question, please state it clearer, if you have a view on the subject please just state it. whats the truth man! :-) |
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I was not talking to you. There are still several points that were already raised which you have yet to have given due attention. I guess I felt I answered it the best I could. Is it a fundamental question you are not sure of, or a debate point you wish to continue with? If you have a question, please state it clearer, if you have a view on the subject please just state it. whats the truth man! :-) He was talking to me. But it's always the same thing, so I don't bother too much. As for me, I was not suggesting truth is subjective, only our perception of it. Carry on... |
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If the almighty imaginary creator was real there would be no debate over it's existence or any other mythological deity based pantheon. If he was real he or it or she is one roguish,scared to come out of hiding deity.I mean he supposedly floats on a fluffy cloud under the "firmament?" in a castle where a renegade rabbi jew(jesus) sits on it's right side.Yeah sure i'm really going to accept that as truth?NO! See. Thank you for stating your view and your opinion of what you believe. I respect that. I have a question though. What all ways interests me is that someone who clearly doesn't believe, spends all there time posting in a section relating to something they don't believe in. In you case a ton a posts in the religious section. Seriously. What draws you to the debate. Its not like you spend time in the other forums also but basically here, arguing against the believe of a God or creator. What is the draw for you? It's more like killing time,i really have no issues with people who believe in "ancient desert tribal gods" stories made into a book that contains most of them to only look like one imaginary monotheistic god.Really they choose to believe in that mythological pantheon,just like others did before the Abrahamic Trilogy was written. I just will never choose to pick a mythological pantheon and become delusional over it,because i think i will have an afterlife by having faith in a man made imaginary desert god or gods.I accept that humans decompose and that's it.Believe what you want but I even knew Dungeons and Dragons was just fantasy. |
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Fri 02/15/13 06:54 PM
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Whatever makes ya feel better.
 I AM talking to you this time Pan! |
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Fri 02/15/13 06:56 PM
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I guess I felt I answered it the best I could. Is it a fundamental question you are not sure of, or a debate point you wish to continue with? If you have a question, please state it clearer, if you have a view on the subject please just state it. whats the truth man! :-) I am asking you to explain what you mean by "truth" and/or "the truth". What words could we replace "truth" and "the truth" with without losing any meaning? Since you raised the notion of Truth, it is only reasonable to explain what you mean, and perhaps what that has to do with the OP's question. Right? |
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Whatever makes ya feel better. I AM talking to you this time Pan! Are you denying that you're attempting to dictate thought processes and demand that "reality" needs consensus of mutiple people? That's what happens most times, and each time it does, I tell you that you're not the center of the universe... So you can just dictate whatever rebuttal you had prepared. Tell us why you think there is no God? |
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If the almighty imaginary creator was real there would be no debate over it's existence or any other mythological deity based pantheon. If he was real he or it or she is one roguish,scared to come out of hiding deity.I mean he supposedly floats on a fluffy cloud under the "firmament?" in a castle where a renegade rabbi jew(jesus) sits on it's right side.Yeah sure i'm really going to accept that as truth?NO! See. Thank you for stating your view and your opinion of what you believe. I respect that. I have a question though. What all ways interests me is that someone who clearly doesn't believe, spends all there time posting in a section relating to something they don't believe in. In you case a ton a posts in the religious section. Seriously. What draws you to the debate. Its not like you spend time in the other forums also but basically here, arguing against the believe of a God or creator. What is the draw for you? It's more like killing time,i really have no issues with people who believe in "ancient desert tribal gods" stories made into a book that contains most of them to only look like one imaginary monotheistic god.Really they choose to believe in that mythological pantheon,just like others did before the Abrahamic Trilogy was written. I just will never choose to pick a mythological pantheon and become delusional over it,because i think i will have an afterlife by having faith in a man made imaginary desert god or gods.I accept that humans decompose and that's it.Believe what you want but I even knew Dungeons and Dragons was just fantasy. Hey you dissed D&D. Now you've gone too far. |
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If the almighty imaginary creator was real there would be no debate over it's existence or any other mythological deity based pantheon. If he was real he or it or she is one roguish,scared to come out of hiding deity.I mean he supposedly floats on a fluffy cloud under the "firmament?" in a castle where a renegade rabbi jew(jesus) sits on it's right side.Yeah sure i'm really going to accept that as truth?NO! See. Thank you for stating your view and your opinion of what you believe. I respect that. I have a question though. What all ways interests me is that someone who clearly doesn't believe, spends all there time posting in a section relating to something they don't believe in. In you case a ton a posts in the religious section. Seriously. What draws you to the debate. Its not like you spend time in the other forums also but basically here, arguing against the believe of a God or creator. What is the draw for you? It's more like killing time,i really have no issues with people who believe in "ancient desert tribal gods" stories made into a book that contains most of them to only look like one imaginary monotheistic god.Really they choose to believe in that mythological pantheon,just like others did before the Abrahamic Trilogy was written. I just will never choose to pick a mythological pantheon and become delusional over it,because i think i will have an afterlife by having faith in a man made imaginary desert god or gods.I accept that humans decompose and that's it.Believe what you want but I even knew Dungeons and Dragons was just fantasy. Hey you dissed D&D. Now you've gone too far. I actually play it online i would be playing it right now but it's been down for 2 days cause of "hot fixes"aka having major problems. |
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Are you denying that you're attempting to dictate thought processes and demand that "reality" needs consensus of mutiple people? That's what happens most times, and each time it does, I tell you that you're not the center of the universe... You're lost. Making up stuff doesn't make it so. Tell us why you think there is no God? See above. |
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I guess I felt I answered it the best I could. Is it a fundamental question you are not sure of, or a debate point you wish to continue with? If you have a question, please state it clearer, if you have a view on the subject please just state it. whats the truth man! :-) I am asking you to explain what you mean by "truth" and/or "the truth". What words could we replace "truth" and "the truth" with without losing any meaning? Since you raised the notion of Truth, it is only reasonable to explain what you mean, and perhaps what that has to do with the OP's question. Right? One of the tools some people try and use against seeking wisdom is the argument that truth is not knowable. that truth is only relevant to each person. So don't try. This is destructive loop that, isn't true. :-) That was my point. |
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One of the tools some people try and use against seeking wisdom is the argument that truth is not knowable. that truth is only relevant to each person. So don't try. This is destructive loop that, isn't true. :-) That was my point. I see. I suppose I'm wondering what I said to provoke this kind of response? I mean, I most certainly do hold that truth requires thought/belief to exist, as it is a property thereof(or not) and is presupposed within thought/belief formation. That is remarkably different than claiming that truth is only relevant to each person, or that truth is equal to thought/belief. Truth(capitalized for grammatical reasons only) is correspondence to fact/reality. That which corresponds is true, that which does not is not. That which is believed to correspond to fact/reality is called "true". So, to apply this to the discussion at hand... What would make any answer to the question set ou in the OP true? I say that any answer to that question is true if, and only if, it corresponds to fact/reality. What say you? |
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I also question how truth can and/or cannot be "knowable".
It seems to me that by "truth" you mean reality; the way things are; or something to that effect/affect. I think that reality is knowable, at least in large part. If by that I mean that we can form and hold true thought/belief about it. Whether or not we can know that our thought/belief is true all depends upon what the content is. For instance... If I were to say "The capital of the US is Washington DC.", I can know that that is true because the capital is determined by humans. I can know that "2+2=4" for much the same reason. We named this quantity "2" and that quantity "4", and we can see for ourselves that when we combine(add) two sets of two we have one set of four. On the other hand, we may never know whether or not there were twelve folk living in the area now called "Washington DC" during the year 239 BC. So, if by "truth" we mean fact/reality, then it is quite clear that some aspects of reality are unknowable. |
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creativesoul
My posts talk about seeking answers and the importance of doing so. I think understanding the difference between real and truth is something I will leave up to you to study and investigate. If your not sure, they are not the same. We are fairly  now. If you would like to continue discussing this, you can message me and I will respond when I can. But I will close it on my end on this thread.
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God is as real as you want him to be. I see all the miracles of the universe and I ask "How can there not be a God?" |
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Free will surely is but not if you are religious because you believe in control of a higher source. So you might say you believe in free will but with any type of control of a higher source there is no free will. So it is hypocrisy. Incorrect. "Free will" doesn't mean you are to do anything and everything or that you should. Only that you have the ability. Even with there being a God, if people choose not to believe and or not to be obedient they can very well murder, rape, steal, ect, using their free will. Free will means we are not robots, not puppets. We obey and or disobey out of our choice. Actually, boiled down to the bottom, free will is basically choice. |
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No... God is not real Also, don't understand this "Free Choice". That is, GOD does not want robots. Hence, we have free choice. Yet, in reality there is no free choice. Free means to give or receive something without an expectation of return. I you hold a gun to your head and say " you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill yo. Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter. How can you possible deem something free when you MUST fear consequences such as hell for choosing not to believe fairy tales? Furthermore, if GOD is real. Then he is 100% evil. After all, he created satan knowing very well he would tempt Adam & Eve. He is the ultimate evil for he created it. So, GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL EVIL. Hence, why is HE bitching about sin when he created it in the first place? Ohh yeah, he wanted a perfect loving companion named Adam. Well, guess GOD is not perfect for he made many human errors... Umm.. hmm.. guess going to start over with a flood for man really goofed up in my eyes... despite the fact I designed him that way.. So, all this B.S. is simply B.S. written by man to control man via a GOD that man created... it's just B.S. |
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No... God is not real Also, don't understand this "Free Choice". That is, GOD does not want robots. Hence, we have free choice. Yet, in reality there is no free choice. Free means to give or receive something without an expectation of return. I you hold a gun to your head and say " you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill yo. Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter. How can you possible deem something free when you MUST fear consequences such as hell for choosing not to believe fairy tales? Furthermore, if GOD is real. Then he is 100% evil. After all, he created satan knowing very well he would tempt Adam & Eve. He is the ultimate evil for he created it. So, GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL EVIL. Hence, why is HE bitching about sin when he created it in the first place? Ohh yeah, he wanted a perfect loving companion named Adam. Well, guess GOD is not perfect for he made many human errors... Umm.. hmm.. guess going to start over with a flood for man really goofed up in my eyes... despite the fact I designed him that way.. So, all this B.S. is simply B.S. written by man to control man via a GOD that man created... it's just B.S. |
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