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Wow. Such an interesting thread. So many stating there opinions as facts. When one does this then their own reality is based on there own wants of what is true. This is not the truth but a 'perceived reality'. But in the end there is truth. 1 + 1 = 2. Sun rays will warm the earth. Clouds will block the sun. And somehow the spark of life started on this earth. All theories aside there is a truth. You are all right in that faith alone does not prove there is a God. But choosing to not seek truth is foolish. And deciding there isn't a God without seeking truth is foolish. May no-one believe in God just because I do. So go back and read how many people state this or that as fact when it really is just an opinion. In the end, go seek the answers yourself. They are there. Open your heart to seeking truth not trying to make the facts fit what you want to be the truth. My faith is not blind. It is based on seeking answers. Testing everything in the pursuit of finding the truth. Watching those who are at peace and those who are not. It is a waist of time to try and convince anyone who doesn't really want to know the truth. Good luck. God bless. I read the words. I think that I understand what you mean. To be sure, could you define a few of the terms? truth=? fact=? opinion=? the truth=? reality=? perceived reality=? |
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O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil). Who hath appointed the earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy; and causeth water to pour down from the sky, thereby producing fruits as food for you. And do not set up rivals to Allah when ye know (better) Holy Quran Surah Al-Baqarah 21:22
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Edited by
DaySinner
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Fri 02/01/13 11:08 PM
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Truth comes from truth? How's that work? You know, 0 = 0, 1 = 1, 2 = 2, and so on.. Kinda hard to argue against. How dare you question my awesome writing? |
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On a more serious note, perhaps a better question would be "what is God" As everyone here most likely assigns a different meaning to that word.
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On a more serious note, perhaps a better question would be "what is God" As everyone here most likely assigns a different meaning to that word. Simply put, it's that "nothingness" that started everything. That "nothingness" that exists between electrons. That "nothingness" that comprises the greater part of your physical existense. |
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Truth comes from truth? How's that work? You know, 0 = 0, 1 = 1, 2 = 2, and so on.. Kinda hard to argue against. How dare you question my awesome writing? I'm not seeing how any of that has anything to do with truth. That looks to be about the law of identity. A=A The problem with starting there is that it is utterly meaningless without not A. Truth always has something to do with a sort of alignment between what is claimed about the world and the way the world is. Furthermore, you've subsumed truth into language which is a mistake. |
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Edited by
DaySinner
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Sat 02/02/13 11:11 AM
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On a more serious note, perhaps a better question would be "what is God" As everyone here most likely assigns a different meaning to that word. Simply put, it's that "nothingness" that started everything. That "nothingness" that exists between electrons. That "nothingness" that comprises the greater part of your physical existense. Interesting idea, and a good description I think. However, any model you attempt to create to describe reality will necessarily be incomplete. This is the commonality I see between science and religion. This includes the idea of "nothingness" Consider the possibility that "nothing" is just the part of "something" you ignore (or have not explored yet). For me, science offers models of reality that are more useful, but I would not go so far as to assume that science will ever be capable of providing a complete picture of reality. |
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Truth comes from truth? How's that work? You know, 0 = 0, 1 = 1, 2 = 2, and so on.. Kinda hard to argue against. How dare you question my awesome writing? I'm not seeing how any of that has anything to do with truth. That looks to be about the law of identity. A=A The problem with starting there is that it is utterly meaningless without not A. Truth always has something to do with a sort of alignment between what is claimed about the world and the way the world is. Furthermore, you've subsumed truth into language which is a mistake. Sounds like you wish to examine what i wrote more seriously. Here is what I meant by it... Someone sees truth (as you did when you decided to respond to my post) and decides to record the truth (as you did when you typed out your thoughts) What you typed could go into a book. What you write is not the same as what you saw, it is just a recording, a facsimile of something you saw. What you write takes on a truth of it's own. That's the difficulty with trying to capture truth or reality... once you record it, the universe has already moved on / changed. |
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Furthermore, you've subsumed truth into language which is a mistake. I'm not clear on what you mean by this. Please explain. |
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Furthermore, you've subsumed truth into language which is a mistake. I'm not clear on what you mean by this. Please explain. I think I get it. As your previous post, "That's the difficulty with trying to capture truth or reality... once you record it, the universe has already moved on / changed." IOW, truth just is? |
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Sounds like you wish to examine what i wrote more seriously. Here is what I meant by it... Someone sees truth (as you did when you decided to respond to my post) and decides to record the truth (as you did when you typed out your thoughts) Hm. Seems to me that I saw words, inferred meaning, and recorded my thought/belief about that. If my thought/belief is of the sort that can correspond with/to fact/reality, then it would be true. What you typed could go into a book. What you write is not the same as what you saw, it is just a recording, a facsimile of something you saw. What you write takes on a truth of it's own. That's the difficulty with trying to capture truth or reality... once you record it, the universe has already moved on / changed. Seems to me that how this is worded blurs a number of different things. |
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Furthermore, you've subsumed truth into language which is a mistake. I'm not clear on what you mean by this. Please explain. 1=1 could be, and is often, called a necessary truth, a tautology, an apriori truth, etc. In that sense "truth" is subsumed into language. All of these are language constructs. 1=1 is an artifact of language. If 1=1 is equivalent to truth then truth is an artifact of language. Thus, you've subsumed truth into langauge. Here's why it is a mistake... Thought/belief formation happens prior to language acquisition. As a result, true/false belief exists prior to language. Whenever true belief exists so too does truth. If true belief exists prior to language acquisition, then so too does truth. "Truth" in this sense is correspondence to fact/reality. |
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By the way, the constant state of flux poses no problem when using spatiotemporal indexicals.
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Furthermore, you've subsumed truth into language Not sure what you mean by subsuming truth into language. The word truth is already a part of language requiring no action on my part. Thought/belief formation happens prior to language acquisition. As a result, true/false belief exists prior to language. What happens when you ask an honest question? Isn't it then important then set aside true/false belief (preconceptions) in order to inquire for yourself? By the way, I appreciate your responses. |
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Indeed the word "truth" is already a part of language. However so is "brain" "thought" and "reality". So, as we can see, just because we have a name for a thing it does not mean that that which is being named requires language for it's existence. Correspondence to fact/reality is one such thing.
Not sure what you're asking about in the end. Can you rephrase you questions, or perhaps put them into some context? The appreciation is shared. |
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Edited by
DaySinner
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Sat 02/02/13 03:10 PM
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IOW, truth just is? IOW you are fee to study the bible, quantum physics, or Atheism, or whatever else captures your interest, without the fear of wasting your time or of ever being wrong. Once you arrive at conclusions, you necessarily limit yourself. Not a matter of right and wrong, but a matter of choice. |
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pyrrhonian?
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So, is God real? Which god are we talking about? What moves you to believe so? You don't think that just waiting until you transition is good enough to find out for yourself? I don't mean to offend, it just seems like The internet is an odd place to learn about it? |
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God is real I am living proof
Anything bad is frim Satan You have to believe in both if u believe in one The god of this earth is Satan We are all born with sin nature in use |
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I died went to the light
Also I meet Satan for real years later was not number one on his hit parade but in the top ten |
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