Wow.

You two have beat this thread to death.

I think they were beating something else

Dreams are your subconcious's way of filtering visual and audio information we've received during the day. As well as our thoughts or emotions. You don't control what you dream or how you dream it. And what your dream shows isn't necessarily what the dream Is about. You can't "sin" in a dream because u have no choice about what u see or do in the dream. So anything that dream results in cant be a sin I.e a wet dream. If you had a wet dream of cheating on your wife it doesn't mean you've sinned, or been thinking about cheating during the day. If you woke up after the dream and decided to cheat then THAT would be the sin.

Pun intended or did you just get lucky?

Cowboy...the first rule of religion is that nothing can exist without God creating it first

therefore God created sin ...and Wet Dreams

how would a believer know that it was actually God that entered their Dreams?...

his magnificence would cause them to spill their seed

HikerJohn...isn't that an odd thing for a Bible Thumper such as yourself to say

only in your Dreams TBRich...

Saying God created sin is the same as saying man's law creates criminals. Heck if we threw all the laws away in this country, there would be no more criminals. No more need for prisons or jails, could save the country tons of tax money. Man, think you're on to something here.

"Wet dreams" again are not sinful. It is not a choice one makes to have. The thoughts and or desires that brought on the dreams could be sinful.

If God's magnificence causes someone to "spill their seed" there may be something wrong there lol, their taking God's love in a totally different way then most to all other people do lol. People don't usually get sexually aroused when thinking/speaking about God.

Cowboy..Man's laws do create criminals,it's impossible to live in society without breaking the law in some shape form of fashion

have you ever jaywalked...or are you like those Charlie Brown characters that walk to the corner and only cross at the light

but either way you are dismissing the first rule of religion by trying to claim that Man created something that God didn't create

if God is the creator of everything..then that would include sin and Wet Dreams

during sexual arousal seems to be one of those times when someone would generally scream the name of God

also your main point was that no one has control over what they dream anyway, so to now claim that no one get sexually aroused by God is you once again contradicting yourself,

my point is that a believer would be so star stucked by God entering into their dreams that his magnificence would cause them to shoot out some of their holy spirit

Cowboy all you have to do is deny that your God lack such magnificence

What are you talking about? Dreaming and being sexually aroused are two different things lol. They could be connected only if you're dreaming of something sexual, which again is beyond your control. It is created subconsciously through your mind. This can be caused by the sheets rubbing you while you sleep, your dream eg., a "wet dream" or many different subconscious things you don't have control over. So again, could not be held accountable of something you did not consciously do. What for of righteousness would that be?

You missed the point entirely and completely.

Sin = Disobedience to the LORD.

So yes, God did make sin in the long run. As soon as God had a will sin was a possibility. Someone going against God's will is a sin, therefore he created sin by having a will.

Cowboy..you said that a Wet Dream was due to being sexually aroused

so again can you deny that God magnificence is incapable of causing a believer to shoot off their beaver

it's a simple yes or no question

Cowboy....if you just admitted that God created sin, then how did I miss the point, I would say that I've prove the point...

a believer has to admit that God is the creator of everything....and that includes sin and Wet dreams

Yes, he has the capability. But why would he? He has even specifically told us not to spill our seed, so why would he intentionally cause us to do it in our sleep? What would be there to gain for anyone? What would be the point?

He created sin again from having a will, and sinning is going against God's will. "Sin" is not a created animate object.

And wet dreams are caused by your sinful flesh. God didn't originally make this flesh sinful. But when Jesus died on the cross for us, he condemned sin into the flesh.

no man can see God and live...

so will God intentionly kill those that see him or will looking upon his magnificence be that which kills those that looked upon him

the answer to that question also applies to a Wet Dream

did God enter into your dreams to intentionally cause you to have a Wet Dream or was the fact that the magnificence of God entering into your dreams cause you to shoot off your load

so who's responsible for that Wet Dream?

none of that matters since you already admitted to the fact that God is the creator of Sin....therefore he had to have created sin within those 6 days of Creation

now the quest becomes where in Genesis was the wet dream created

since you claim that everything was created through Jesus...then Jesus was the first to have created a Wet Dream ...wouldn't that explain where the rivers and the oceans "came" (no pun intended) from

And where did you receive this knowledge that no one can look upon God?

God didn't "create" sin. Sin is not a tangible object. It is a descriptive word. It is a word to describe something that is against God's will. So with God having a will and his creations having free will, that laid the possibility of sin.