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you quoted MY post when you said it logic dictated that the statement was directed at and tried to refer to me sexual labels aer tricky, sometimes they are used to refer to attraction and other times to lifestyle in this thread , I am referring to lifestyle,,, sexual attraction doesn't affect lifestyle? you're in a bubble, so that's you, dear. sexual attraction doesnt DEFINE lifestyle,, no as is evident by some people taking vows of ABSTINENCE from sex altogether (regardless of their attractions/lusts) humans have much more power over our flesh than the world wants us to believe,,,, |
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I think some people who argue that it's a choice are looking for a way to justify discriminating against gay people. dont judge PEOPLE but we hav a brain to interpret(ie judge) behaviors,,,, Saying they just judge behavior is an excuse. They're still judging the person. only if they expect people to be perfect I judge all people, as equal , in that all people are IMPERFECT/ have flaws and weaknesses so my 'judgement' is that as humans we will make mistakes and errors and have weaknesses,, lord knows I do / have that doesnt make any of us bad or good, it just makes us human noone that I love or admire is without flaws, or has lived a life without making any bad choices or having any bad behaviors,,,yet I still love and admire those people so no, judging behaviors, has nothing to do (for me) with judging the person because behaviors can be corrected and no behavior by itself makes up the totality of who we 'are'..... |
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There is no comparison. Gay people and child sex offenders are not similar. Society will always have 'sick people'. The worst 'sick people' are those who judge in ignorance.
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sexual attraction doesnt DEFINE lifestyle,, no as is evident by some people taking vows of ABSTINENCE from sex altogether (regardless of their attractions/lusts) humans have much more power over our flesh than the world wants us to believe,,,, af·fect/əˈfekt/ Verb: -Have an effect on; make a difference to. de·fine/diˈfīn/ Verb: -State or describe exactly the nature, scope, or meaning of. why would we want to limit our own pleasure if it's harmless? |
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There is no comparison. Gay people and child sex offenders are not similar. Society will always have 'sick people'. The worst 'sick people' are those who judge in ignorance. the only difference is ones behavior is unacceptable and the other is not the 'reasons' provided for their actions are the same |
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I think some people who argue that it's a choice are looking for a way to justify discriminating against gay people. dont judge PEOPLE but we hav a brain to interpret(ie judge) behaviors,,,, Saying they just judge behavior is an excuse. They're still judging the person. only if they expect people to be perfect I judge all people, as equal , in that all people are IMPERFECT/ have flaws and weaknesses so my 'judgement' is that as humans we will make mistakes and errors and have weaknesses,, lord knows I do / have that doesnt make any of us bad or good, it just makes us human noone that I love or admire is without flaws, or has lived a life without making any bad choices or having any bad behaviors,,,yet I still love and admire those people so no, judging behaviors, has nothing to do (for me) with judging the person because behaviors can be corrected and no behavior by itself makes up the totality of who we 'are'..... What is perfect? Based on this and other threads you judge people differently. You think some people should be allowed to do things, yet others aren't, based on your personal beliefs. Which behaviors do you feel can/should be corrected? |
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sexual attraction doesnt DEFINE lifestyle,, no as is evident by some people taking vows of ABSTINENCE from sex altogether (regardless of their attractions/lusts) humans have much more power over our flesh than the world wants us to believe,,,, af·fect/əˈfekt/ Verb: -Have an effect on; make a difference to. de·fine/diˈfīn/ Verb: -State or describe exactly the nature, scope, or meaning of. why would we want to limit our own pleasure if it's harmless? its not 'harmless' at all it only seems harmless because the parties involved are fulfilled and no specific individual outside the parties involved has any 'physical' harm which is what society is pushing more and more as the only 'harm' that can be measured or should be significant.. |
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There is no comparison. Gay people and child sex offenders are not similar. Society will always have 'sick people'. The worst 'sick people' are those who judge in ignorance. the only difference is ones behavior is unacceptable and the other is not the 'reasons' provided for their actions are the same One is a criminal. One is not. No comparison. |
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sexual attraction doesnt DEFINE lifestyle,, no as is evident by some people taking vows of ABSTINENCE from sex altogether (regardless of their attractions/lusts) humans have much more power over our flesh than the world wants us to believe,,,, af·fect/əˈfekt/ Verb: -Have an effect on; make a difference to. de·fine/diˈfīn/ Verb: -State or describe exactly the nature, scope, or meaning of. why would we want to limit our own pleasure if it's harmless? its not 'harmless' at all it only seems harmless because the parties involved are fulfilled and no specific individual outside the parties involved has any 'physical' harm which is what society is pushing more and more as the only 'harm' that can be measured or should be significant.. What's harmful to you about homosexuality? |
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I think some people who argue that it's a choice are looking for a way to justify discriminating against gay people. dont judge PEOPLE but we hav a brain to interpret(ie judge) behaviors,,,, Saying they just judge behavior is an excuse. They're still judging the person. only if they expect people to be perfect I judge all people, as equal , in that all people are IMPERFECT/ have flaws and weaknesses so my 'judgement' is that as humans we will make mistakes and errors and have weaknesses,, lord knows I do / have that doesnt make any of us bad or good, it just makes us human noone that I love or admire is without flaws, or has lived a life without making any bad choices or having any bad behaviors,,,yet I still love and admire those people so no, judging behaviors, has nothing to do (for me) with judging the person because behaviors can be corrected and no behavior by itself makes up the totality of who we 'are'..... What is perfect? Based on this and other threads you judge people differently. You think some people should be allowed to do things, yet others aren't, based on your personal beliefs. Which behaviors do you feel can/should be corrected? not sure where the first question comes from in this and other threads I have repeatedly shared that I dont think anyone is PERFECT (perfect meaning without any flaws) behaviours are obviously too numerous for us to seriously make lists of specific behaviors to 'correct' I will make it personal to me though. I was once so addicted to sex, I almost engaged in a very 'permissive' lifestyle with my then partner. Although it would physically fulfill me in the moment, the effects it may have had on my daughter growing up when she inevitably figured out our lifestyle or the way she may feel about herself or be treated by others was not worth it to me. the potential 'harm' it could cause her far outweighed the temporary satisfaction it may have allowed us I was once eating a quart of ice cream a day,,,being a dancer and performer there was no immediate or visible 'harm' it caused me,, but I was aware that in the long run there became a fairly high COLLECTIVE RISK to my health and so I corrected it by cutting back greatly and making the ice cream a special and occasional 'treat' rather than a daily habit. I was once under the impression that if I was in a relationship, I had to have sex. So every time I had a relationship, there was sex involved. Even if I wasnt sure 'love' had anything to do with the relationship. Even though I had no idea and had not planned or thought of learning about the complexity of my body or their body and what actually 'works' for either individual. That resulted in more of a 'task', even when with the person I loved, because we were going through the 'expected' motions. So, I learned about my body, and how the physical stimulus affected my emotional and intellectual reactions. I learned to cherish my body and its ability and potential to create life. I changed my perception so as to not just view sex or my body as a tool to express love or to fulfill lust. I changed my perception about sexual capacity being inherent and unalterable and dove into learning MORE and thus altering my ability over and over again. Sex became an explosive exchange of LIFE for me, that could be achieved not due to gender or 'love' or lust, but due to each individuals knowledge of the body,, theirs and their partners. ,,,people should strive for behaviors that will be of maximum BENEFIT to themself and others not that they have to have a life with exclusively those behaviors, but those should be the benchmarks we reach for. |
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There is no comparison. Gay people and child sex offenders are not similar. Society will always have 'sick people'. The worst 'sick people' are those who judge in ignorance. the only difference is ones behavior is unacceptable and the other is not the 'reasons' provided for their actions are the same One is a criminal. One is not. No comparison. the ACTIVITY is criminal, not the emotion not the desire ,,both claim the desire is not chosen, both have their BEHAVIOR (how they choose to act upon their desire) judged,,,,,, |
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I think some people who argue that it's a choice are looking for a way to justify discriminating against gay people. dont judge PEOPLE but we hav a brain to interpret(ie judge) behaviors,,,, Saying they just judge behavior is an excuse. They're still judging the person. only if they expect people to be perfect I judge all people, as equal , in that all people are IMPERFECT/ have flaws and weaknesses so my 'judgement' is that as humans we will make mistakes and errors and have weaknesses,, lord knows I do / have that doesnt make any of us bad or good, it just makes us human noone that I love or admire is without flaws, or has lived a life without making any bad choices or having any bad behaviors,,,yet I still love and admire those people so no, judging behaviors, has nothing to do (for me) with judging the person because behaviors can be corrected and no behavior by itself makes up the totality of who we 'are'..... What is perfect? Based on this and other threads you judge people differently. You think some people should be allowed to do things, yet others aren't, based on your personal beliefs. Which behaviors do you feel can/should be corrected? not sure where the first question comes from in this and other threads I have repeatedly shared that I dont think anyone is PERFECT (perfect meaning without any flaws) behaviours are obviously too numerous for us to seriously make lists of specific behaviors to 'correct' I will make it personal to me though. I was once so addicted to sex, I almost engaged in a very 'permissive' lifestyle with my then partner. Although it would physically fulfill me in the moment, the effects it may have had on my daughter growing up when she inevitably figured out our lifestyle or the way she may feel about herself or be treated by others was not worth it to me. the potential 'harm' it could cause her far outweighed the temporary satisfaction it may have allowed us I was once eating a quart of ice cream a day,,,being a dancer and performer there was no immediate or visible 'harm' it caused me,, but I was aware that in the long run there became a fairly high COLLECTIVE RISK to my health and so I corrected it by cutting back greatly and making the ice cream a special and occasional 'treat' rather than a daily habit. I was once under the impression that if I was in a relationship, I had to have sex. So every time I had a relationship, there was sex involved. Even if I wasnt sure 'love' had anything to do with the relationship. Even though I had no idea and had not planned or thought of learning about the complexity of my body or their body and what actually 'works' for either individual. That resulted in more of a 'task', even when with the person I loved, because we were going through the 'expected' motions. So, I learned about my body, and how the physical stimulus affected my emotional and intellectual reactions. I learned to cherish my body and its ability and potential to create life. I changed my perception so as to not just view sex or my body as a tool to express love or to fulfill lust. I changed my perception about sexual capacity being inherent and unalterable and dove into learning MORE and thus altering my ability over and over again. Sex became an explosive exchange of LIFE for me, that could be achieved not due to gender or 'love' or lust, but due to each individuals knowledge of the body,, theirs and their partners. ,,,people should strive for behaviors that will be of maximum BENEFIT to themself and others not that they have to have a life with exclusively those behaviors, but those should be the benchmarks we reach for. The word perfect came from your first sentence. And keeping with the topic of this thread, the behaviors I'm asking about would have to do with that. Surely, they aren't too numerous to mention. |
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I am an 18 year old girl, I have knwon about my being a lesbian since I was small. I have tried to date men, be with them, I cant, just as much as any of you can't be with the same sex. Why would a person chose to be made fun of, have their family turn against them, their friends turn their backs on them and be different? I did not want this for a very long time. I have accepted it, I am who I am, I am a lesbian just like some of you are straight. You can't be with the same sex just as much as I can't be with the oposite. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 08/31/12 11:32 AM
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Sweet posted
The word perfect came from your first sentence. And keeping with the topic of this thread, the behaviors I'm asking about would have to do with that. Surely, they aren't too numerous to mention ok, so we are referring to sexual behaviors? MSM activity which has an extraordinarily high susceptibility to passing along HIV/AIDS promiscuous activity, which of course, increases the odds of spreading STD in general and the odds of creating life that is unwanted or terminated early on activity highly likely to cause physical injury or risk, such as cutting, playing with fire, strangulation, asphyxiation, anal sex these are some Sexual behaviors I feel would be worth correcting |
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I am an 18 year old girl, I have knwon about my being a lesbian since I was small. I have tried to date men, be with them, I cant, just as much as any of you can't be with the same sex. Why would a person chose to be made fun of, have their family turn against them, their friends turn their backs on them and be different? I did not want this for a very long time. I have accepted it, I am who I am, I am a lesbian just like some of you are straight. You can't be with the same sex just as much as I can't be with the oposite. I agree its not about choice but what the op said you are just born that way. If people don't like it; they can take a flying leap. That's the whole problem with our society that if you don't go with the flow; then you are an outcast. Screw them. Live your life the way you want to. The only happiness that matters is yours. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 08/31/12 11:35 AM
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I am an 18 year old girl, I have knwon about my being a lesbian since I was small. I have tried to date men, be with them, I cant, just as much as any of you can't be with the same sex. Why would a person chose to be made fun of, have their family turn against them, their friends turn their backs on them and be different? I did not want this for a very long time. I have accepted it, I am who I am, I am a lesbian just like some of you are straight. You can't be with the same sex just as much as I can't be with the oposite. I agree its not about choice but what the op said you are just born that way. If people don't like it; they can take a flying leap. That's the whole problem with our society that if you don't go with the flow; then you are an outcast. Screw them. Live your life the way you want to. The only happiness that matters is yours. religion not allowed here... more and more people believe in a God that lets them do whatever feels good so long as it does no ACTIVE harm to another and would never deny them into the kingdom just for doing what made them feel good. |
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Sweet posted The word perfect came from your first sentence. And keeping with the topic of this thread, the behaviors I'm asking about would have to do with that. Surely, they aren't too numerous to mention ok, so we are referring to sexual behaviors? MSM activity which has an extraordinarily high susceptibility to passing along HIV/AIDS promiscuous activity, which of course, increases the odds of spreading STD in general and the odds of creating life that is unwanted or terminated early on activity highly likely to cause physical injury or risk, such as cutting, playing with fire, strangulation, asphyxiation, anal sex these are some Sexual behaviors I feel would be worth correcting well if this is the case the homosexual community will kill itself off in no time. |
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I have a male friend who is gay and from what he has told me it is not a choice for him. He still does try to hide it from some people. yes, the consensus WITHIN The gay community is noone chose their behavior. Interesting that you chose the word behavior as you are correct. Looking up the word behavior says this meaning: behavior is believed to be controlled primarily by the endocrine system and the nervous system. It also goes on to say behaviors can be either innate or learned. So, to sum it up a gay person's behavior is innate which means existing in a person or animal from birth; congenital; inborn. |
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Sweet posted The word perfect came from your first sentence. And keeping with the topic of this thread, the behaviors I'm asking about would have to do with that. Surely, they aren't too numerous to mention ok, so we are referring to sexual behaviors? MSM activity which has an extraordinarily high susceptibility to passing along HIV/AIDS promiscuous activity, which of course, increases the odds of spreading STD in general and the odds of creating life that is unwanted or terminated early on activity highly likely to cause physical injury or risk, such as cutting, playing with fire, strangulation, asphyxiation, anal sex these are some Sexual behaviors I feel would be worth correcting So you're assuming that homosexuals are engaging in promiscuous activity? I'm talking about behaviors specifically related to homosexuality, since that's what this thread is about. |
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I am an 18 year old girl, I have knwon about my being a lesbian since I was small. I have tried to date men, be with them, I cant, just as much as any of you can't be with the same sex. Why would a person chose to be made fun of, have their family turn against them, their friends turn their backs on them and be different? I did not want this for a very long time. I have accepted it, I am who I am, I am a lesbian just like some of you are straight. You can't be with the same sex just as much as I can't be with the oposite. I agree its not about choice but what the op said you are just born that way. If people don't like it; they can take a flying leap. That's the whole problem with our society that if you don't go with the flow; then you are an outcast. Screw them. Live your life the way you want to. The only happiness that matters is yours. Perhaps to you, but remember that not everyone will have the same religious beliefs you have. Religion is a personal choice. You cannot force anyone to follow the guidelines you follow to get into heaven. |
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