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Topic: Gay/Bi/Lesbian Choice?
singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Fri 08/31/12 08:58 PM
This took off more than expected it would. Damn. Thank you everyone. Just be yourself. Don't worry about what some of these other people say.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Fri 08/31/12 09:29 PM
Tired of people telling me I chose this. It's not a choice. I was born this way... No, it is a choice. No matter what you want to believe or why you choose it, it's a choice. But, it's not like I care, so if it helps you sleep at night, I'll play along. When did you choose to be straight? I know, seriously! When I first heard people arguing about whether being gay is a choice, I tried to imagine choosing not to be attracted to women. I can't do it. I have an intrinsic, undeniable attraction to women. Women are awesome! I can't relate to the idea of gay guys not finding women attractive. It's like not finding sunsets or landscapes attractive. But I can relate to the idea of 'feeling you were born with your attraction'.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Fri 08/31/12 09:36 PM
Tired of people telling me I chose this. It's not a choice. I was born this way... No, it is a choice. No matter what you want to believe or why you choose it, it's a choice. But, it's not like I care, so if it helps you sleep at night, I'll play along. When did you choose to be straight? sometime AFTER I realized what gender was and started associating certain 'feelings' with one or the other,,, kind of like when I realized I liked ice cream not that I was BORN liking it You were not born liking ice cream, but you were born with a strong biological predisposition to like sweet things, and to like creamy things. Most humans are genetically predisposed to liking ice cream. Many of our more popular foods are so popular because they match our genetic predispositions.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Fri 08/31/12 09:41 PM
After reading over all these posts homosexuality might well be born due to a gene. ..... will wait for solid scientific evidence of such a gene. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to identify an individual gene. The genetic influence on sexuality is likely to be due to many genes, and those genes could easily influence other things besides orientation. So the idea of a 'gay gene' may be flawed, but this doesn't prevent there being a genetic influence in sexual orientation.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Fri 08/31/12 09:44 PM
seeing examples of homosexual relations has no said benefit,,, it's beneficial if it helps get me off.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Fri 08/31/12 09:49 PM
it is my basic right on the constitution to talk about religion whenever i want! so if you dont like my religious talk and truth you can leave and i know ill probally get kicked of this thread cause mods are in control, but they dont have the right even if there privately owned web site, they dont have the right to take my right away. its the constitution like it or not. mods know im right Your posts, taken at face value, are delightfully bizarre. To think that a person would actually think the things you say you think! But I think they are contrived. I think you are much smarter than you represent yourself to be, and you are having fun saying silly things and seeing how people respond. "Its the constitution"! hahaha

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Fri 08/31/12 09:51 PM
I guess we just see things differently. I see great beauty in a loving couple whether they are gay or not.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 09/01/12 02:30 AM
Tired of people telling me I chose this. It's not a choice. I was born this way... No, it is a choice. No matter what you want to believe or why you choose it, it's a choice. But, it's not like I care, so if it helps you sleep at night, I'll play along. When did you choose to be straight? sometime AFTER I realized what gender was and started associating certain 'feelings' with one or the other,,, kind of like when I realized I liked ice cream not that I was BORN liking it You were not born liking ice cream, but you were born with a strong biological predisposition to like sweet things, and to like creamy things. Most humans are genetically predisposed to liking ice cream. Many of our more popular foods are so popular because they match our genetic predispositions. and yet our culture doesnt encourage us to be so tunnelvisioned about FOOD I can 'like' ice cream but that doesnt mean I cant 'like' something else or that I have to 'eat' ice cream and because I dont 'like' something today, doesnt mean I cant develop a like for it later,,,,so long as I dont go to defining myself by what I 'like' at any specific time

Rawrr_Girl Joined Sun 10/04/09 Posts: 4431	Sat 09/01/12 06:27 AM
This took off more than expected it would. Damn. Thank you everyone. . My sponsor made me do it.

GreenEyes48 Joined Thu 08/26/10 Posts: 1319	Sat 09/01/12 10:11 AM
Tired of people telling me I chose this. It's not a choice. I was born this way... No, it is a choice. No matter what you want to believe or why you choose it, it's a choice. But, it's not like I care, so if it helps you sleep at night, I'll play along. When did you choose to be straight? sometime AFTER I realized what gender was and started associating certain 'feelings' with one or the other,,, kind of like when I realized I liked ice cream not that I was BORN liking it You were not born liking ice cream, but you were born with a strong biological predisposition to like sweet things, and to like creamy things. Most humans are genetically predisposed to liking ice cream. Many of our more popular foods are so popular because they match our genetic predispositions. and yet our culture doesnt encourage us to be so tunnelvisioned about FOOD I can 'like' ice cream but that doesnt mean I cant 'like' something else or that I have to 'eat' ice cream and because I dont 'like' something today, doesnt mean I cant develop a like for it later,,,,so long as I dont go to defining myself by what I 'like' at any specific time I'm not part of a religion that tells me that gay people will go to hell. Or a religion that views gay people as a "blemish" or "black mark" on humanity (or society) as a "whole."...So I don't feel obligated to try to "save" or "rehabilitate" people who seem drawn and attracted to their same sex....I honestly believe that we are born with a predisposition to be either "straight" or "gay." (As a general rule.)...I know that some people may "cross-over" at times just to "experiment." But all in all I think most people are "one way" or the "other."...Since I don't view gay people as horrific and woeful sinners I can afford to just let them be.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Sat 09/01/12 10:15 AM
it is my basic right on the constitution to talk about religion whenever i want! so if you dont like my religious talk and truth you can leave and i know ill probally get kicked of this thread cause mods are in control, but they dont have the right even if there privately owned web site, they dont have the right to take my right away. its the constitution like it or not. mods know im right Your posts, taken at face value, are delightfully bizarre. To think that a person would actually think the things you say you think! But I think they are contrived. I think you are much smarter than you represent yourself to be, and you are having fun saying silly things and seeing how people respond. "Its the constitution"! hahaha Perhaps that's what some others have been doing as well.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 09/01/12 10:33 AM Edited by msharmony on Sat 09/01/12 10:35 AM
Tired of people telling me I chose this. It's not a choice. I was born this way... No, it is a choice. No matter what you want to believe or why you choose it, it's a choice. But, it's not like I care, so if it helps you sleep at night, I'll play along. When did you choose to be straight? sometime AFTER I realized what gender was and started associating certain 'feelings' with one or the other,,, kind of like when I realized I liked ice cream not that I was BORN liking it You were not born liking ice cream, but you were born with a strong biological predisposition to like sweet things, and to like creamy things. Most humans are genetically predisposed to liking ice cream. Many of our more popular foods are so popular because they match our genetic predispositions. and yet our culture doesnt encourage us to be so tunnelvisioned about FOOD I can 'like' ice cream but that doesnt mean I cant 'like' something else or that I have to 'eat' ice cream and because I dont 'like' something today, doesnt mean I cant develop a like for it later,,,,so long as I dont go to defining myself by what I 'like' at any specific time I'm not part of a religion that tells me that gay people will go to hell. Or a religion that views gay people as a "blemish" or "black mark" on humanity (or society) as a "whole."...So I don't feel obligated to try to "save" or "rehabilitate" people who seem drawn and attracted to their same sex....I honestly believe that we are born with a predisposition to be either "straight" or "gay." (As a general rule.)...I know that some people may "cross-over" at times just to "experiment." But all in all I think most people are "one way" or the "other."...Since I don't view gay people as horrific and woeful sinners I can afford to just let them be. hell has nothing to do with it my religion doesnt tell me gay people will go to hell either anymore than it tells me drug users will or any other law breaker, or adulterers or any other sinner it is the unrepentant sinner that risks being turned away from our heavenly home (in my religion), but sinning is not the cause as much as not REPENTING from sin my religion allows for JESUS saving grace, for repentance, and for being re born but what my religion says is irrelevant anyhow and I also dont feel like 'saving' those who wish to sin(religious) based solely on an idea that is religious (to keep them from going to hell) just as I dont wish to STOP someone from robbing a bank solely on mans consensus that it is wrong enough to be a crime (to keep them from going to jail) I wish to SAVE people from hurting others or themself, regardless of what laws say, or what the consensus is willing to turn a blind eye to so when I talk with someone who wishes to discuss this topic I will continue to hold to the advice that its harmful and not beneficial and not natural and a CHOICE and when it comes to the laws, I will continue to step in when given a VOICE, to vote against the government stepping in to take a LEGAL STAND in support of such choice,,,

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Sat 09/01/12 10:39 AM
hell has nothing to do with it my religion doesnt tell me gay people will go to hell either anymore than it tells me drug users will or any other law breaker, or adulterers or any other sinner it is the unrepentant sinner that risks being turned away from our heavenly home (in my religion), but sinning is not the cause as much as not REPENTING from sin my religion allows for JESUS saving grace, for repentance, and for being re born but what my religion says is irrelevant anyhow and I also dont feel like 'saving' those who wish to sin(religious) based solely on an idea that is religious (to keep them from going to hell) just as I dont wish to STOP someone from robbing a bank solely on mans consensus that it is wrong enough to be a crime (to keep them from going to jail) I wish to SAVE people from hurting others or themself, regardless of what laws say, or what the consensus is willing to turn a blind eye to so when I talk with someone who wishes to discuss this topic I will continue to hold to the advice that its harmful and not beneficial and not natural and a CHOICE and when it comes to the laws, I will continue to step in when given a VOICE, to vote against the government stepping in to take a LEGAL STAND in support of such choice,,, So that's what this is about? You feel you're saving gay people from hurting themselves? Have they asked you to save them?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 09/01/12 10:42 AM
hell has nothing to do with it my religion doesnt tell me gay people will go to hell either anymore than it tells me drug users will or any other law breaker, or adulterers or any other sinner it is the unrepentant sinner that risks being turned away from our heavenly home (in my religion), but sinning is not the cause as much as not REPENTING from sin my religion allows for JESUS saving grace, for repentance, and for being re born but what my religion says is irrelevant anyhow and I also dont feel like 'saving' those who wish to sin(religious) based solely on an idea that is religious (to keep them from going to hell) just as I dont wish to STOP someone from robbing a bank solely on mans consensus that it is wrong enough to be a crime (to keep them from going to jail) I wish to SAVE people from hurting others or themself, regardless of what laws say, or what the consensus is willing to turn a blind eye to so when I talk with someone who wishes to discuss this topic I will continue to hold to the advice that its harmful and not beneficial and not natural and a CHOICE and when it comes to the laws, I will continue to step in when given a VOICE, to vote against the government stepping in to take a LEGAL STAND in support of such choice,,, So that's what this is about? You feel you're saving gay people from hurting themselves? Have they asked you to save them? no I dont save 'gay' people yet, I am free to respond to any discussion a 'GAY' person initiates about his/her lifestyle choice Im not the saver of young girls either, and I would likewise respond to any young girl who wrote of feeling it was ok to jump from bed to bed I dont go out of my way to seek out peoples flaws as I have my own,, but if the TOPIC is about something I perceive as flawed I feel free to share my opinion,,,,,even when its not the popular one or what people want to hear do whatever feels good honey! is not my style

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Sat 09/01/12 10:48 AM
Well, you were talking about how you wish to save people, so that's why I asked.

GreenEyes48 Joined Thu 08/26/10 Posts: 1319	Sat 09/01/12 11:01 AM
Tired of people telling me I chose this. It's not a choice. I was born this way... No, it is a choice. No matter what you want to believe or why you choose it, it's a choice. But, it's not like I care, so if it helps you sleep at night, I'll play along. When did you choose to be straight? sometime AFTER I realized what gender was and started associating certain 'feelings' with one or the other,,, kind of like when I realized I liked ice cream not that I was BORN liking it You were not born liking ice cream, but you were born with a strong biological predisposition to like sweet things, and to like creamy things. Most humans are genetically predisposed to liking ice cream. Many of our more popular foods are so popular because they match our genetic predispositions. and yet our culture doesnt encourage us to be so tunnelvisioned about FOOD I can 'like' ice cream but that doesnt mean I cant 'like' something else or that I have to 'eat' ice cream and because I dont 'like' something today, doesnt mean I cant develop a like for it later,,,,so long as I dont go to defining myself by what I 'like' at any specific time I'm not part of a religion that tells me that gay people will go to hell. Or a religion that views gay people as a "blemish" or "black mark" on humanity (or society) as a "whole."...So I don't feel obligated to try to "save" or "rehabilitate" people who seem drawn and attracted to their same sex....I honestly believe that we are born with a predisposition to be either "straight" or "gay." (As a general rule.)...I know that some people may "cross-over" at times just to "experiment." But all in all I think most people are "one way" or the "other."...Since I don't view gay people as horrific and woeful sinners I can afford to just let them be. hell has nothing to do with it my religion doesnt tell me gay people will go to hell either anymore than it tells me drug users will or any other law breaker, or adulterers or any other sinner it is the unrepentant sinner that risks being turned away from our heavenly home (in my religion), but sinning is not the cause as much as not REPENTING from sin my religion allows for JESUS saving grace, for repentance, and for being re born but what my religion says is irrelevant anyhow and I also dont feel like 'saving' those who wish to sin(religious) based solely on an idea that is religious (to keep them from going to hell) just as I dont wish to STOP someone from robbing a bank solely on mans consensus that it is wrong enough to be a crime (to keep them from going to jail) I wish to SAVE people from hurting others or themself, regardless of what laws say, or what the consensus is willing to turn a blind eye to so when I talk with someone who wishes to discuss this topic I will continue to hold to the advice that its harmful and not beneficial and not natural and a CHOICE and when it comes to the laws, I will continue to step in when given a VOICE, to vote against the government stepping in to take a LEGAL STAND in support of such choice,,, You're certainly entitled to your vote and views. We all are.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 09/01/12 11:03 AM
Tired of people telling me I chose this. It's not a choice. I was born this way... No, it is a choice. No matter what you want to believe or why you choose it, it's a choice. But, it's not like I care, so if it helps you sleep at night, I'll play along. When did you choose to be straight? sometime AFTER I realized what gender was and started associating certain 'feelings' with one or the other,,, kind of like when I realized I liked ice cream not that I was BORN liking it You were not born liking ice cream, but you were born with a strong biological predisposition to like sweet things, and to like creamy things. Most humans are genetically predisposed to liking ice cream. Many of our more popular foods are so popular because they match our genetic predispositions. and yet our culture doesnt encourage us to be so tunnelvisioned about FOOD I can 'like' ice cream but that doesnt mean I cant 'like' something else or that I have to 'eat' ice cream and because I dont 'like' something today, doesnt mean I cant develop a like for it later,,,,so long as I dont go to defining myself by what I 'like' at any specific time I'm not part of a religion that tells me that gay people will go to hell. Or a religion that views gay people as a "blemish" or "black mark" on humanity (or society) as a "whole."...So I don't feel obligated to try to "save" or "rehabilitate" people who seem drawn and attracted to their same sex....I honestly believe that we are born with a predisposition to be either "straight" or "gay." (As a general rule.)...I know that some people may "cross-over" at times just to "experiment." But all in all I think most people are "one way" or the "other."...Since I don't view gay people as horrific and woeful sinners I can afford to just let them be. hell has nothing to do with it my religion doesnt tell me gay people will go to hell either anymore than it tells me drug users will or any other law breaker, or adulterers or any other sinner it is the unrepentant sinner that risks being turned away from our heavenly home (in my religion), but sinning is not the cause as much as not REPENTING from sin my religion allows for JESUS saving grace, for repentance, and for being re born but what my religion says is irrelevant anyhow and I also dont feel like 'saving' those who wish to sin(religious) based solely on an idea that is religious (to keep them from going to hell) just as I dont wish to STOP someone from robbing a bank solely on mans consensus that it is wrong enough to be a crime (to keep them from going to jail) I wish to SAVE people from hurting others or themself, regardless of what laws say, or what the consensus is willing to turn a blind eye to so when I talk with someone who wishes to discuss this topic I will continue to hold to the advice that its harmful and not beneficial and not natural and a CHOICE and when it comes to the laws, I will continue to step in when given a VOICE, to vote against the government stepping in to take a LEGAL STAND in support of such choice,,, You're certainly entitled to your vote and views. We all are. ty

Scotti71 Joined Fri 07/13/12 Posts: 173	Sat 09/01/12 11:11 AM
Tired of people telling me I chose this. It's not a choice. I was born this way... When you think of the billions and billions of people that have been born,a certain percentage are going to be born as homosexual,and your right,its not there fault.Something to do with the chemistry/Dna has gotton mixed up-hell,we all start off as female anyway-thats why guys got nipples.Theres gay and gay though-theres a world of difference between JUST wanting the physical side of being gay and the TRUE side of being gay,there both in two completely different ballparks.It must be so hard to be a Christian and being gay though because they seem to contradict each other.If you actually born gay theres nothing to say that you cant believe in God either,God loves everybody,but He dosent want people to participate in the actually physical side of it.It must be the hardest hardest thing in the world to deal with.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 09/01/12 11:17 AM
Tired of people telling me I chose this. It's not a choice. I was born this way... When you think of the billions and billions of people that have been born,a certain percentage are going to be born as homosexual,and your right,its not there fault.Something to do with the chemistry/Dna has gotton mixed up-hell,we all start off as female anyway-thats why guys got nipples.Theres gay and gay though-theres a world of difference between JUST wanting the physical side of being gay and the TRUE side of being gay,there both in two completely different ballparks.It must be so hard to be a Christian and being gay though because they seem to contradict each other.If you actually born gay theres nothing to say that you cant believe in God either,God loves everybody,but He dosent want people to participate in the actually physical side of it.It must be the hardest hardest thing in the world to deal with. I agree. It cant be 'easy' for the mind and body to want so badly.

navygirl Joined Sat 06/02/07 Posts: 8118	Sat 09/01/12 11:39 PM
Tired of people telling me I chose this. It's not a choice. I was born this way... No, it is a choice. No matter what you want to believe or why you choose it, it's a choice. But, it's not like I care, so if it helps you sleep at night, I'll play along. When did you choose to be straight? sometime AFTER I realized what gender was and started associating certain 'feelings' with one or the other,,, kind of like when I realized I liked ice cream not that I was BORN liking it You were not born liking ice cream, but you were born with a strong biological predisposition to like sweet things, and to like creamy things. Most humans are genetically predisposed to liking ice cream. Many of our more popular foods are so popular because they match our genetic predispositions. and yet our culture doesnt encourage us to be so tunnelvisioned about FOOD I can 'like' ice cream but that doesnt mean I cant 'like' something else or that I have to 'eat' ice cream and because I dont 'like' something today, doesnt mean I cant develop a like for it later,,,,so long as I dont go to defining myself by what I 'like' at any specific time I'm not part of a religion that tells me that gay people will go to hell. Or a religion that views gay people as a "blemish" or "black mark" on humanity (or society) as a "whole."...So I don't feel obligated to try to "save" or "rehabilitate" people who seem drawn and attracted to their same sex....I honestly believe that we are born with a predisposition to be either "straight" or "gay." (As a general rule.)...I know that some people may "cross-over" at times just to "experiment." But all in all I think most people are "one way" or the "other."...Since I don't view gay people as horrific and woeful sinners I can afford to just let them be. Again; another great post by you. I like your style.