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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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it's plain and simple...there's too many people in the wagon and not enough pulling anymore...drug test em' ALL !! theres too many men laying down and walking away INCARCERATE THEM ALL, make them work, and send EVERY PENNY to their children (their room and board is provided already in prison) when these male legislators start making the MEN the target instead of the abandoned and struggling mothers,,,I guarantee that part of the budget will be reduced significantly The laws are VERY strict and the penalties harsh on "deadbeat dads"! Your argument on that point is moot if the women don't give correct or current info on the father. I'm against any entitlement! I say that if people want welfare, and they are going to be paid anyway, rather than drug testing them they should make them work or do community service to receive the funds! Those with REAL disabilities excluded of course. Those with small children could be trained and licensed as child care providers for others to work. I think you miss the point, right now, THEY ALREADY DO require community service to receive funds, along with regular re certifications to re document and reverify records, AND strict non compliance rules which REJECT FOREVER anyone who doesnt comply WITH ALL of the above regulations, including ANY household changes being reported,,, the safeguards in place already greatly discourage and ween out any of your 'typical' druggies,,,, If that's the case, then what is your argument? They are simply adding another requirement, and if as you say, they have "weeded out" the druggies....then there should be no problem! but they are not requiring it of any other group with what you call an 'entitlement' the problem is with being TREATED LIKE A criminal,,,,because you are poor or need assistance there are those who would say there is no problem when I am followed around a store so long as I dont steal , but the PROBLEM lies in the very disparate and unprovoked treatment,,,,on the grounds that someone needs use of the very tax system they spend their lifetime paying into in some form or another the only other ones on entitlement programs I know of are SSI (and the Drs do test!), and people on unemployment who have paid into it and are tested when a job is offered.... so what are you talking about? As for your other mentions....where are your facts? they obviously arent 'paying into it' while they receive it, ,just like welfare recipients just like welfare recipients, they paid into a SYSTEM While they were working that provides a safeguard to help them when they ARENT anyone receiving government subsidies, government contracts, or ever worked for a government entity are benefitting from tAXPAYERS MONEY but only the poor are singled out for this 'drug' policy on the grounds that they are being supported by taxes,,, Direct us to your facts that those in question have actually paid into it. YOU CAN'T! It's impossible information to verify! Requirements vary from state to state, many are illegals who have paid into NOTHING using false ID (when necessary). I would venture a guess that probably less than 1/3 of those on welfare actually have paid in to anything! You prove your statements and I'll prove mine! its called the 'SAFETY NET' programs that are a part of the tax budget all TAXPAYERS pay into EMPLOYERS pay the unemployment tax, so there is even less proof that those who receive unemployment have PAID INTO IT,,,,  the key word taxpayers!
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At least he is contributing to society and not leeching off it. really? how do we define 'contributing',,,? sitting in an office and socializing? or staying at home and raising productive, law abiding citizens? which one is more or less of a 'contribution'? Again...prove your statistics! |
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I know a hand-full of folks where the dude works the oil fields and his old lady, they're not legally married, draws Medicaid, FS, section 8, energy assistance and they can afford to take his week off and go vacation in Mexico or San Antonio.
I also know a woman who buys food with Lone Star and resells it at the local flea market. Her 5 kids are all dressed in designer clothes and she has an Escalade. While she sells, her kids are in the Escalade with the Ac on playing video games or watching satellite TV. |
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However, if I didn't have a job, I wouldn't be sitting on a forum. I'd be out until I did find one. I found, in your area, on just one site, nine pages of available jobs. If, I was in that area, I'd be working within a week. http://www.lasvegasjobs.com/ you arent me,, you are an older, white male, who I would gather is only LEGALLY responsible to provide for himself I am a single, minority, female and single mother, with at least one child at home who is not yet kindergarten age and I guarantee you, you didnt find nine pages of jobs 'in my area', although you may have found jobs in las vegas and most of them requiring SPECIFIC criteria that I dont have my 'credentials' (which are an important consideration with employers) and experience is in office/clerical work, but I am not bilingual look again and tell me how many jobs that I would QUALIFY for are in my 'area'? and I can show you the thousands of applications I have filled in since my last full time employment which will no doubt have each of them in it,,,,,, |
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it's plain and simple...there's too many people in the wagon and not enough pulling anymore...drug test em' ALL !! theres too many men laying down and walking away INCARCERATE THEM ALL, make them work, and send EVERY PENNY to their children (their room and board is provided already in prison) when these male legislators start making the MEN the target instead of the abandoned and struggling mothers,,,I guarantee that part of the budget will be reduced significantly The laws are VERY strict and the penalties harsh on "deadbeat dads"! Your argument on that point is moot if the women don't give correct or current info on the father. I'm against any entitlement! I say that if people want welfare, and they are going to be paid anyway, rather than drug testing them they should make them work or do community service to receive the funds! Those with REAL disabilities excluded of course. Those with small children could be trained and licensed as child care providers for others to work. I think you miss the point, right now, THEY ALREADY DO require community service to receive funds, along with regular re certifications to re document and reverify records, AND strict non compliance rules which REJECT FOREVER anyone who doesnt comply WITH ALL of the above regulations, including ANY household changes being reported,,, the safeguards in place already greatly discourage and ween out any of your 'typical' druggies,,,, If that's the case, then what is your argument? They are simply adding another requirement, and if as you say, they have "weeded out" the druggies....then there should be no problem! but they are not requiring it of any other group with what you call an 'entitlement' the problem is with being TREATED LIKE A criminal,,,,because you are poor or need assistance there are those who would say there is no problem when I am followed around a store so long as I dont steal , but the PROBLEM lies in the very disparate and unprovoked treatment,,,,on the grounds that someone needs use of the very tax system they spend their lifetime paying into in some form or another the only other ones on entitlement programs I know of are SSI (and the Drs do test!), and people on unemployment who have paid into it and are tested when a job is offered.... so what are you talking about? As for your other mentions....where are your facts? they obviously arent 'paying into it' while they receive it, ,just like welfare recipients just like welfare recipients, they paid into a SYSTEM While they were working that provides a safeguard to help them when they ARENT anyone receiving government subsidies, government contracts, or ever worked for a government entity are benefitting from tAXPAYERS MONEY but only the poor are singled out for this 'drug' policy on the grounds that they are being supported by taxes,,, Direct us to your facts that those in question have actually paid into it. YOU CAN'T! It's impossible information to verify! Requirements vary from state to state, many are illegals who have paid into NOTHING using false ID (when necessary). I would venture a guess that probably less than 1/3 of those on welfare actually have paid in to anything! You prove your statements and I'll prove mine! its called the 'SAFETY NET' programs that are a part of the tax budget all TAXPAYERS pay into EMPLOYERS pay the unemployment tax, so there is even less proof that those who receive unemployment have PAID INTO IT,,,, the key word taxpayers! Operating as a federal-state partnership, UC is based on federal law, but administered by the states. The UC program is unique among U.S. social insurance programs in that it is funded almost totally by either federal or state taxes paid by employers. funny right? welfare recipients just might be more likely to have 'paid into' the welfare system than those on unemployment are to have paid into unemployment in surance,,,,,, |
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I know a hand-full of folks where the dude works the oil fields and his old lady, they're not legally married, draws Medicaid, FS, section 8, energy assistance and they can afford to take his week off and go vacation in Mexico or San Antonio. I also know a woman who buys food with Lone Star and resells it at the local flea market. Her 5 kids are all dressed in designer clothes and she has an Escalade. While she sells, her kids are in the Escalade with the Ac on playing video games or watching satellite TV. you know some shady characters, dont know if that says more about the system or more about your personal network of acquaintances,,,, |
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At least he is contributing to society and not leeching off it. really? how do we define 'contributing',,,? sitting in an office and socializing? or staying at home and raising productive, law abiding citizens? which one is more or less of a 'contribution'? The Tax Payer shouldn't have to foot the bill for women who choose to sit on Unemployment Welfare Extensions. I pay part of all that laziness and don't even get laid for the effort. 
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At least he is contributing to society and not leeching off it. really? how do we define 'contributing',,,? sitting in an office and socializing? or staying at home and raising productive, law abiding citizens? which one is more or less of a 'contribution'? The Tax Payer shouldn't have to foot the bill for women who choose to sit on Unemployment Welfare Extensions. I pay part of all that laziness and don't even get laid for the effort. nope, they should work harder to vote for policies that promote job growth AT HOME, better education AT HOME and more responsible FATHERS but I guess its easier to be lazy and merely complain about 'lazy' women,,, 
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I know a hand-full of folks where the dude works the oil fields and his old lady, they're not legally married, draws Medicaid, FS, section 8, energy assistance and they can afford to take his week off and go vacation in Mexico or San Antonio. I also know a woman who buys food with Lone Star and resells it at the local flea market. Her 5 kids are all dressed in designer clothes and she has an Escalade. While she sells, her kids are in the Escalade with the Ac on playing video games or watching satellite TV. you know some shady characters, dont know if that says more about the system or more about your personal network of acquaintances,,,, There goes your, "There are safeguards against fraud theory." |
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I know a hand-full of folks where the dude works the oil fields and his old lady, they're not legally married, draws Medicaid, FS, section 8, energy assistance and they can afford to take his week off and go vacation in Mexico or San Antonio. I also know a woman who buys food with Lone Star and resells it at the local flea market. Her 5 kids are all dressed in designer clothes and she has an Escalade. While she sells, her kids are in the Escalade with the Ac on playing video games or watching satellite TV. you know some shady characters, dont know if that says more about the system or more about your personal network of acquaintances,,,, There goes your, "There are safeguards against fraud theory." really, so If I say there are laws against Murder, would pulling up the recent news stories about a local murder discredit that statement too? 
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The truth of the matter is that you have now fallen prey to the very policies many of us have complained about on here for a very long time, which you tried your best to call us senseless on... Now it touches you....and you don't like it! |
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The truth of the matter is that you have now fallen prey to the very policies many of us have complained about on here for a very long time, which you tried your best to call us senseless on... Now it touches you....and you don't like it! no, the difference here is I dont like that it SINGLES one group out policies that are applied ACROSS The board, dont give me issue,,,, |
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The truth of the matter is that you have now fallen prey to the very policies many of us have complained about on here for a very long time, which you tried your best to call us senseless on... Now it touches you....and you don't like it! no, the difference here is I dont like that it SINGLES one group out policies that are applied ACROSS The board, dont give me issue,,,, Seems to me this issue IS across the board...in Florida and Kentucky, and my guess is it will be adopted elsewhere as well in short order when the facts are known. I say it again, and as you always preach... It's law now, regardless of how you feel about it! |
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At least he is contributing to society and not leeching off it. really? how do we define 'contributing',,,? sitting in an office and socializing? or staying at home and raising productive, law abiding citizens? which one is more or less of a 'contribution'? Paying taxes is contributing. |
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I think you guys are missing something addicts get lots and lots of help so one way or another these people will still be getting aid.
Personaly I think its all a PR stunt. Sure you may move some people off welfare but then they will move into treatment. A person will usualy get treatment untill they end up in jail or in the rare cases cured. Most of my Gf clients are dual diagnosis a phycological issue creates the drug abuse issue. Her clients get transportation, food stamps, medical care and dental care prescription meds etc etc. If we cannot stop drugs from entering this country we sure cant stop terrorists. Both the war on drugs and terrorists to me is just another fraud to rob the public blind. |
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The truth of the matter is that you have now fallen prey to the very policies many of us have complained about on here for a very long time, which you tried your best to call us senseless on... Now it touches you....and you don't like it! no, the difference here is I dont like that it SINGLES one group out policies that are applied ACROSS The board, dont give me issue,,,, Seems to me this issue IS across the board...in Florida and Kentucky, and my guess is it will be adopted elsewhere as well in short order when the facts are known. I say it again, and as you always preach... It's law now, regardless of how you feel about it! by 'across the board', I mean applied equally as in,,,those receiving taxpayer money shouldnt be permitted to if using drugs,, should apply to ALL those benefiting from taxpayer money equally,, not just the IMPOVERISHED,,,, |
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At least he is contributing to society and not leeching off it. really? how do we define 'contributing',,,? sitting in an office and socializing? or staying at home and raising productive, law abiding citizens? which one is more or less of a 'contribution'? Paying taxes is contributing. working is also contributing,,,,without workers, there are no profits, without profit there is no business, without business there is no ECONOMY |
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Paying taxes is contributing. working is also contributing,,,,without workers, there are no profits, without profit there is no business, without business there is no ECONOMY EXACTLY,therefore, if there is a high rate of unemployment, there cannot be anyone paying taxes to support the "government programs".. aka, the "taxpayers programs". |
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Paying taxes is contributing. working is also contributing,,,,without workers, there are no profits, without profit there is no business, without business there is no ECONOMY EXACTLY,therefore, if there is a high rate of unemployment, there cannot be anyone paying taxes to support the "government programs".. aka, the "taxpayers programs". taxes dont start back at zero every year,,,,noone can personally track where their tax funds from 2006 are going in 2009,,,the argument is a lazy thinkers smokescreen,,, what we do now is there is a federal government that is accumulated from TAXPAYERS, and that not every penny any taxpayer pays to that budget PERSONALLY benefits them in that SAME year they pay it but , out of the LIFETIME of taxes people will pay working in AMerica,, they will be contributing to the budget which alots for a SAFETY NET for some of those same people to fall back upon when they are NOT working,,,, |
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Edited by
Sunshine_in_Florida
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Thu 06/14/12 09:54 PM
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Paying taxes is contributing. working is also contributing,,,,without workers, there are no profits, without profit there is no business, without business there is no ECONOMY EXACTLY,therefore, if there is a high rate of unemployment, there cannot be anyone paying taxes to support the "government programs".. aka, the "taxpayers programs". taxes dont start back at zero every year,,,,noone can personally track where their tax funds from 2006 are going in 2009,,,the argument is a lazy thinkers smokescreen,,, what we do now is there is a federal government that is accumulated from TAXPAYERS, and that not every penny any taxpayer pays to that budget PERSONALLY benefits them in that SAME year they pay it but , out of the LIFETIME of taxes people will pay working in AMerica,, they will be contributing to the budget which alots for a SAFETY NET for some of those same people to fall back upon when they are NOT working,,,, OMG!! Do you really believe this that you are posting?????????, No, REALLY?????? What do you make, maybe 250 a week??? out of that how much is going to pay the "government " funds you are so fond of??? Keep feeding the kitty little girl, you will be out of a job and homeless too and wondering where your hand out is....OMG 
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