Truth hurts

Look at it in a political light.

oBlowme can claim he created all those jobs for the testers, the ones who monitor the folks pissin' in da' bottle, blood extractors.

No telling how many jobs Hussein could claim.

Win, win.

I would even award him credit for it.

The laws are VERY strict and the penalties harsh on "deadbeat dads"! Your argument on that point is moot if the women don't give correct or current info on the father.
I'm against any entitlement! I say that if people want welfare, and they are going to be paid anyway, rather than drug testing them they should make them work or do community service to receive the funds! Those with REAL disabilities excluded of course. Those with small children could be trained and licensed as child care providers for others to work.

I think you miss the point, right now, THEY ALREADY DO require community service to receive funds, along with regular re certifications to re document and reverify records, AND strict non compliance rules which REJECT FOREVER anyone who doesnt comply WITH ALL of the above regulations, including ANY household changes being reported,,,

the safeguards in place already greatly discourage and ween out any of your 'typical' druggies,,,,

they are only harsh on deadbeat dads who are 'able' to pay and dont, if they dont have an income, there is no penalty, if there income is too low, there is no penalty

I am saying, if you dont pay (just like if you dont pay other legal obligations/fines) the next step is JAIL,, regardless of the excuse

youd see how quickly men would start being more responsible and cautious about whom they laid down with and how,,,,and how much smaller the number of children on welfare would get,,,

If that's the case, then what is your argument? They are simply adding another requirement, and if as you say, they have "weeded out" the druggies....then there should be no problem!

Your argument is pointless here anyway! This is a forum, not a court of law... and the law is the law...until it is changed!

In your post you only spoke of deadbeat fathers and how they should all be locked up.

What other point was there???



Barry don't create some jobs quick, he will be a total loser.

Praise him if he supports this move states are making.

but they are not requiring it of any other group with what you call an 'entitlement'

the problem is with being TREATED LIKE A criminal,,,,because you are poor or need assistance

there are those who would say there is no problem when I am followed around a store so long as I dont steal , but the PROBLEM lies in the very disparate and unprovoked treatment,,,,on the grounds that someone needs use of the very tax system they spend their lifetime paying into in some form or another

Ive made the point REPEATEDLY throughout this and other threads that the CURRENT SYSTEM Already has safeguards in place and ALREADY Requires that welfare recipients be 'productive'

but some continue to want to believe people just get handed 'free' money in return for 'sitting on their butts'

Pretty sure the state is paying for the drug test.

the only other ones on entitlement programs I know of are SSI (and the Drs do test!), and people on unemployment who have paid into it and are tested when a job is offered.... so what are you talking about?

As for your other mentions....where are your facts?

Like the Illegals claim.

The current system is broken and needs reformed.

BTW.
I'm working while I participate here.

they obviously arent 'paying into it' while they receive it, ,just like welfare recipients

just like welfare recipients, they paid into a SYSTEM While they were working that provides a safeguard to help them when they ARENT

anyone receiving government subsidies, government contracts, or ever worked for a government entity are benefitting from tAXPAYERS MONEY

but only the poor are singled out for this 'drug' policy on the grounds that they are being supported by taxes,,,

its cool that you can 'work' while in an internet forum, glad to see there are those earning their money and not just having it 'handed' to them,,,,

Direct us to your facts that those in question have actually paid into it. YOU CAN'T! It's impossible information to verify!

Requirements vary from state to state, many are illegals who have paid into NOTHING using false ID (when necessary).

I would venture a guess that probably less than 1/3 of those on welfare actually have paid in to anything!

You prove your statements and I'll prove mine!

At least he is contributing to society and not leeching off it.

However, if I didn't have a job, I wouldn't be sitting on a forum. I'd be out until I did find one.

I found, in your area, on just one site, nine pages of available jobs. If, I was in that area, I'd be working within a week.

http://www.lasvegasjobs.com/

http://www.gao.gov/products/HEHS-98-30


Pursuant to a legislative mandate, GAO provided information on the extent to which means-tested public benefits are provided to illegal aliens for the use of eligible individuals, focusing on: (1) the extent and the locations that selected federal means-tested benefits are being provided to illegal aliens for use by their U.S. citizen children; and (2) the nature and extent of fraud or misrepresentation detected in connection with these benefits.

GAO noted that: (1) in fiscal year (FY) 1995, about $1.1 billion in Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and Food Stamp benefits were provided to households with an illegal alien parent for the use of his or her citizen child; (2) this amount accounted for about 3 percent of AFDC and 2 percent of Food Stamp benefit costs; (3) a vast majority of households receiving these benefits resided in a few states--85 percent of the AFDC households were in California, New York, Texas, and Arizona; (4) 81 percent of Food Stamp households were in California, Texas, and Arizona; (5) California households alone accounted for $720 million of the combined AFDC and Food Stamp caseloads; (6) although illegal aliens also received Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and Department of Housing and Urban Development housing assistance for their citizen children, data to develop estimates for these two programs were not available; (7) comprehensive national statistics on any misrepresentation or fraud perpetrated by illegal aliens receiving benefits on behalf of their citizen children are not available; (8) a few California counties' studies of AFDC households indicate that the rates and types of potential misrepresentation or fraud are similar both for households headed by illegal aliens and for the general welfare population; (9) in these studies, one of the most commonly cited types of misrepresentation or fraud was the underreporting of income; (10) income is a key factor in determining program eligibility and benefit amounts and, when underreported, can result in overpayment of benefits; and (11) the states visited by GAO had procedures in place to verify income, but officials said that verifying individuals' income from earnings obtained through the underground economy was very difficult--for both illegal aliens and for citizens--in part because these earnings are not documented or reported to state or federal databases used to verify employment or earnings.

its called the 'SAFETY NET' programs that are a part of the tax budget all TAXPAYERS pay into



EMPLOYERS pay the unemployment tax, so there is even less proof that those who receive unemployment have PAID INTO IT,,,,

its called the 'SAFETY NET' programs that are a part of the tax budget all TAXPAYERS pay into



EMPLOYERS pay the unemployment tax, so there is even less proof that those who receive unemployment have PAID INTO IT,,,,

really? how do we define 'contributing',,,?

sitting in an office and socializing?

or staying at home and raising productive, law abiding citizens?

which one is more or less of a 'contribution'?